15 Sep 2015 14:18:21
Controversial post.
But I'm wondering what the majority of football fans think towards a topic that has popped up over the past couple of years at our club.
Is the image of the club more important than having a good team ?
We are mediocre now. Mid table team with mid table player and a mid table manager. The only thing we match the top teams with is the size of the club and the money we spend on transfers and wages.
With Suarez we had problems, he was banned all the time and was in the public eye for all the wrong reasons. Sterling caught on holiday doing all sorts and demanding massive wages. But we were winning, teams was scared to play against Liverpool football club.
Now the only thing dragging the name of the club through the dirt is the football itself.
I'd be happy for any troublesome player to be playing for us aslong as we kicked on up the league again. I crave success. I don't care for this false 'image' argument. We should be winning games and if everyone hates us (media, other fans),, then what's new?
15 Sep 2015 15:40:51
How have we got mediocre players? We've got a good squad of players, we've got cover for most positions. I'm personally pretty happy with our squad, there are a couple of positions I'd look at ie goal keeper and cb, but no way have we got average players.
Our problem is BR either isn't explaining what he wants the players to do or he doesn't know him self, the players have all looked lost on the pitch, we've got a player for each position yet he keeps insisting on playing most of them in a different position, yeah they can do a job there but y settle for a player doing a job when you can play a player who knows the position. How are any of the players meant to play to their ability if they're not even playing their own position.
Ings coming off the wing, why? He should've played a diamond with Ings and benteke with firmino just behind.
I honestly loved watching our style of play when sterling Suarez and studg played, fast pace high press attacking football. The players played their own positions mostly.
Any manager can only use the players he has, it's his job to put them where they need to be and drill the style he wants.
Rodgers doesn't seem to know what he wants the players to do himself.
I don't care what our manager is called don't care what experience he has, I want a manager that is passionate about the game, can transfer his passion to the players drill them to a fast attacking style of play, we have the squad for it, that manager isn't Rodgers, I supported him for the last 3 years, I wanted him to work out, but the team looks completely lost on the pitch.
But I'm not going to start ranting over it, I'm not going to start blaming this player and that. I want LFC to play decent football, stop wasting money and use the players in the right position, I just hope that it either turns around for Rodgers, he wakes up one morning very soon and the fog is lifted and he stops believing he can make any system work with the wrong players, or I hope the board have a plan b in place b4 we slip too far behind.
Sorry for long post got carried away
15 Sep 2015 16:42:42
Lifelong
Bit curious on this. How does a diamond ( narrow formation ) helps Benteke ( the loan striker )?
His system was perfect in playing two wide wing backs to run high up when we break up. But choose wrong players
IBe and Firmino either side of Benteke would have done the job.
Our only goal came from a winger providing the assist.
15 Sep 2015 17:02:03
A diamond would naturally imply that there will be a striker alongside Benteke, Harry. Surely you can't be this ignorant.
15 Sep 2015 17:30:09
We've got mediocre players
15 Sep 2015 17:31:21
AG
So Benteke is missing a striker? Now that's really worrying for me as all my tears I learned a lone striker who is known for his physicality and not his mobility to make clever runs need wide players more than his wife to d ore goals.
Play two wide players either side of Benteke and ask them hit byline ( direct players ) and cut back in to the six yard box. Benteke will score plenty.
A diamond will work when you have strikers like Suarez / Aguero / lacazzate / Vieto / Walcott who are mobile enough to either draw players out or find those little gaps between defenders.
An additional striker might not lift Benteke IMO. But a winger ll bring goals for him.
15 Sep 2015 17:33:16
And how does Ings benefit playing off Benteke? He is traditional Center forward and not a striker who is known to burry those chances rather than setting up.
Playing Ings off Benteje will results in nothing other than confusion among them for taking the positions.
{Ed001's Note - how would it create confusion? Ings played off a big man for Burnley. Do you just make stuff up in your head to talk about?}
15 Sep 2015 17:47:18
Unless I've missed something a diamond is 4 defenders, 1 cdm a midfielder wide right a midfielder wide left and a cam.
Then TWO strikers.
Lb and rb get forward to get crosses in, play firmino in his position which is just behind TWO STRIKERS. Play the players in their positions.
15 Sep 2015 18:32:13
The fact remains, our players ARE mediocre. How many are world class? How many would walk into Chelsea or City's first eleven?
15 Sep 2015 18:43:17
Plus with a diamond you can have Moreno and clyne chucking in crosses when forward and Milner and whoever is on the left can chuck a couple in as well.
15 Sep 2015 18:52:22
EG, playin a classic or diamond version of the 442 will ensure that there is a striker next to Big Ben just like the diamond 442 worked with Studge next to Suarez. We know it works because we have seen it work so don`t know why you`re asking this question. Btw, Juve played a diamond 442 last season and look how Morata and Tevez ripped teams appart. Clear enough for you?
15 Sep 2015 18:59:31
Lol Harry, AG's just had your pants down lad.
15 Sep 2015 19:12:10
Ron, there's a pretty big area between 'world class' and mediocre. Unless you think everyone in world football bar those up for a Ballon d'Or are mediocre?
We have a few players who are maybe a level below world class, but far from mediocre, and I can't really think of too many who are actually mediocre, although again I guess it depends on your definition of mediocre.
15 Sep 2015 19:17:08
I never talked about a lone striker or any of the other delusion you came up with Harry, but just pointing out the very obvious flaw in your argument. But I know I am fighting a losing cause with you. Ings and Benteke would cause confusion? Which planet are you from man?
Ron, I see now that you have changed your tune. Anything to NOT blame Rodgers eh? If our players are "mediocre", what do you think that makes Rodgers?
15 Sep 2015 19:31:06
Oh dear Harry I think ed001 was right about monkeys and typewriters.
15 Sep 2015 19:36:21
Also, we scored only once, Harry? We have scored 3 goals this season, one was a worldie from Coutinho, and two were from a corner routine, Benteke offside goal and the Benteke worldie. Unless of course you mean we only scored once against Utd. But the you also said Firmino should have played as on the side of Benetke as a wide player, which HE DID against UTD and has been for every game he has played for LFC so far! Again, how are you not seeing this?
Finally, you have spend the last few months telling us all how players with pace will only work well as wingers, and now you want Firmino to play out wide and ping in crosses for Benteke who you want to play as a "loan" striker? I ask again, can you see the flaw in your arguments?
15 Sep 2015 19:42:58
Well I am so eager to see how would the diamond works with Benteke.
You don't need a diamond to ask your full back to push.
You full backs press high for city who never plays diamond. It's your tactics to play high with a top class DM holding.
Full backs going high and crossing has nothing to do with diamond.
15 Sep 2015 19:57:11
Why deflect a discussion about players into a slagging fest of Rodgers and anyone who doesn't hate him?
Stick to the discussion.
I'm not the only one who thinks our players are mediocre, if you think about it you know it's true.
Most of our players were signed directly from mediocre teams. Hardly any of them would get into a top 4 side.
I can only think of Sturridge - when fit and Coutinho when he's in the mood.
Other than sometimes Coutinho and Sturridge I'd say they are mediocre.
Mediocre to me is defined as a player who does not excell in a particular area but performs at a decent level the majority of games.
15 Sep 2015 20:02:01
Harry, seriously, get someone who understands football to sense check your posts before you hit 'send'.
I know the Eds are only allowing them through so that you can confirm how little you know about the game!!
Remember, it was Mark Twain (look it up) who said:
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
Think about it.
To the OP, agree with most comments here that we do not in any way have mediocre players, but unfortunately the manager is not using them to their strengths in the main, and you can say that from GK to CF.
15 Sep 2015 20:48:31
Zeddious
Lols man, other than agreeing everything what Ed01 says no matter what, did you ever had an opinion on the game? ( btw I love ed01 for reason beyond footie )
Are you trying to say for example you need to play a diamond every time to push your full Back high?
Now ed01 loves Biesla. People love Biesla. But Biesla plays 3 at the back which people doesn't like. confused or contradicted?
There is a match happening with city and Juventus. With your excellent knowledge on the game could tell me how city are set up and their formation.
A tip for you mate. They ain't playing diamond yet they had close to 4 crosses to Bony from the left flank from Korolov.
With Bony very similar to Benteke, he has no striker playing off but he has Stelring and Nasri on either side. while Mandzukic has Moratta playing off.
Figure out the difference between Moratta and Bony.
No offense mate.
If you are watching the match Ed01, City are in the same position as Liverpool were. Unable to break down Juventus.
{Ed001's Note - Liverpool haven't played Juve in ages, so how can that be so?}
15 Sep 2015 20:53:58
Seems a bizarre way to me to categorize players as that would make most everyone in world football mediocre nearly by definition I would think. I also don't see why where they came from is any sort of concern honestly- one of our better players recently came to us from Ajax, Hazard came from Lille, Kompany from Hamburg, Silva from Valencia, Matic from Benfica, etc, etc.
Whether they're 'good enough' for a top 4 side, I'd argue we finished 2nd with a good chunk of them, so yeah, they're good enough for a top 4 side. We overpaid for many of them, but by and large it's not a bad group of players, albeit the squad is pretty unbalanced and far too large for my liking, but those again all point back to the manager moreso.
15 Sep 2015 21:08:22
no mediocre players but you all moan over lovren an skrtl? or are they being played out of position? there is some crap there I won't name names we all have views
15 Sep 2015 21:10:33
It`s not deflecting, Ron. The poor players were bought by BR to the tune of 300m so if they suck, who`s fault is it that they are all here? You trash the players for being poor YET don`t wanna accept that it was your BFF who bought said poor players. You sound just like him, trashing the players in a bid to deflect from the fact that BR bought them. Get over it, bro! You`re embarassing yourself but then again, that is not new.
15 Sep 2015 21:26:57
Again, scouse john, depends on your definition of mediocre. To me, it means 'average', so say a side aiming for 10th-12th, and in the context of the PL I would personally say Skrtel and Lovren are both better than that. Not much mind, but a bit.
15 Sep 2015 21:28:50
Harry I said the full backs would push up to prove that crosses would be put in by them if we played a diamond.
Benteke is more than just a target man, he has pace power and ability.
Not being world class doesn't make you a mediocre player.
We have a good squad good enough to get top 4 at least.
Who ever is the manager now or future needs to play to our players strengths. We have players who should be causing teams problems when we attack, but for some reason they're not being played where they should.
What ever we all think LFC need to do something soon or we will slip further and further behind and end up with a new team every year
15 Sep 2015 21:46:06
Erm, Harry, again try thinking before you type.
I'm perfectly able to form my own opinion, and my opinion (based on dredging through many of your posts per day whilst reading through) is that you talk like an authority but say the most ludicrous and unfounded things! If you read above, you'll see a number of other regulars think the same!
As for diamond or not, I've said nothing about this.
15 Sep 2015 21:57:55
Harry I didn't realise that benteke was on 'loan' to be honest
15 Sep 2015 22:00:42
I have to say a big thanks to Harry, all his talk of korolov and stelring is making me nostalgic for the old ISS pro game with the made up names. Ahh good times. Thanks Harry!
15 Sep 2015 22:07:03
What has it got to do with Rodgers?
Every discussion you have to bring him into it. You're obsessed, it's unhealthy man, you need help to move on.
My question would be, were the players mediocre before they were bought? My answer would be "yes" therefore discussing who bought them has no relevance to whether they are mediocre or not. It's a seperate issue.
By the way I " agreed" with the original post that the players are mediocre. I didn't bring it up, I didn't call them "poor" and I didn't trash them, so please don't assign your prejudices to me.
16 Sep 2015 00:04:17
These people put mediocre players into a sentence trying to suggest our squad is mediocre. In my opinion it's not. I for one think it's a fairly strong Base of players. although the goal keeper position really needs to be looked at cause at the moment it's the weakest part of our squad.
16 Sep 2015 00:20:37
If you agree with the post, then you might as well have said it do your chicken crap game of nitpicking won't work. Prejudices? You're not that special. Again, you agreed that the players are poor, mediocre or whatever then I asked you, who bought these players here then? Now you're blaming me for bringing BR up. Why shouldn't I? You've spent all summer defending him even gloating on here when he was kept so now you wanna squirm your way around the simple question I asked as if the players you agree as mediocre signed or bought themselves. Face it! You cannot on one hand consider the players we have poor and then try to distance the very guy who brought them here from the blame. Just calling you out on your incoherent argument that is nothing but hogwash and I'll be here to call you out on them anytime you do it. Again, if our players are mediocre then the guy who signed them is (insert joke here).
16 Sep 2015 08:03:16
My late 2 penny's worth on the matter is that we have some great players, some average, some with the capability of day becoming what some would deem world class, but are all being misused to get the best out of them, think there is a good side in amongst it somewhere, do I believe Rodgers can get that together is another topic altogether but in short I don't see anything to any longer think it possible