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29 Sep 2015 10:59:54
dont usually post on the footy site but i had to when i read about the young goaly who was on loan and payed a fine in pennies .

in my opinion the kids contract should be terminated on the spot ,stuff like this pisses me off ,and yes i would be saying the same if he was a world class player , enough is enough , the petulance of the modern day footballer who takes everything for granted gets on my last nerve and reading people condoning it winds me up .

rant over franky.

{Ed001's Note - why? The likes of Dalglish and Souness did lots of pranks similar to that, which is all it was. He still paid the fine. As I said on another thread, the issue is what led to the fine, not how he paid it.}

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29 Sep 2015 11:08:38
Why terminate on the spot. educate and show the kid the right way. Spot on Ed001

29 Sep 2015 11:14:40
Why??? Are you serious ed? Because it's yet another condescending example of how some footballers perceive themselves, that's why. If he did wrong he should take the consequence with humility. And move on.
If you're mate owed you £50 and paid you back in pennies what would you say?
Oh, and by the way, the pranks of Souness etc were in all likelihood; pranks - in the true sense of the word. This wasn't a prank. It stinks of condescension.
I'm with Franky. Sack him. Good post, lad.

{Ed002's Note - Legally there is an issue paying more than a certain amount in pennies. I think anything over 20p or 50p in pennies can be refused. I don't recall the exact amount.}

29 Sep 2015 11:15:01
Yeah I can't see why there's such an over reaction by media and fans. The importance of turning up to training needs to be emphasised. But I wouldn't overreact to his payment of the fine.

29 Sep 2015 11:22:06
The issue obviously comes from the relationship he has with the club. The club could have taken his £50 of pennies as a tongue in cheek prank but it looks as if relations were strained and this was the final straw. Just my opinion.

29 Sep 2015 11:29:13
ed002 it's the royal mints legal tender guidelines maximum 20p in pennies and 2ps. As you say the club can refuse to accept it and ask for it in other denominations.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}

29 Sep 2015 11:29:55
different era's different times were the players mentioned knew it would never make the headlines for one , a snotty nosed kid who should be making more effort to get in on time but can take the time to sit around a few hours to put pennies in a bag ?

29 Sep 2015 11:33:32
If your boss reads this and then decides to pay you your months wages in pennies Ron, you're happy enough are ye?

29 Sep 2015 11:41:33
This truly is the greatest football site on planet earth. I think I would die without the knowledge and insightful opinions of ed0. You're a star mate. An absolute giant among men. Go, big lad!

29 Sep 2015 11:49:18
I'm self employed mate

29 Sep 2015 12:08:21
lol. come on mate don't be such a conservative! It just sounds like a light hearted gesture, no harm done

29 Sep 2015 11:42:56
One difference though ed001, Dalglish and Souness had earned the right to take the jazz.
A loanee kid hasn't.
They should have just made him clean the changing rooms for a month or something though, brought him down a peg, instead of terminating his loan imo.

{Ed001's Note - I am talking about as kids, you think they were good kids who never broke the rules? They are human beings, not robots, kids break rules to learn how far to push the boundaries, it is part of growing up. They need to have personalities and make mistakes, that is part of life.}

29 Sep 2015 12:14:40
I thought it was funny myself. attitude problems aside, this made me giggle simple as that. It has noting to do with footballers its about bein uptight and jumping on the moral high ground bandwagon, i gets seriously boring sometimes! . (my opinion)

29 Sep 2015 12:44:54
Yes I know what you mean ed.
In one respect, being on loan is more than just about getting playing time though isn't it ?
I suppose it depends on the manager / regime at Swindon, and acting accordingly.
I read about Harry Catterick at Everton, who was an absolute stickler for rules, very strict.
Time and place and all that.

29 Sep 2015 13:22:12
One thing that really, really irks me is Nile Ranger. I know not related to LFC, but that kid is a joke. How many kids would give their right arm to play professional football, yet he takes the piss and gets chance after chance. Like Ed said, the kid paid his fine in the end, it's players like Ranger that should be thrown in the rubbish

29 Sep 2015 13:52:11
Much ado about nothing if you ask me, but this will remain a black mark on Vigouroux's career surely?

29 Sep 2015 16:57:30
Haha i can't believe you people, sack him for what, having a mind of his own and expressing his view whilst may i add still adhering to the rules and paying the fine.

I don't know what went on but i have been to work late plenty of times for genuine reasons and i would be pretty peeved if my boss said i need to give him 50 quid especially as i make that time back up.

There are two sides to this story i'm sure and no doubt he will take a slap on the wrist and learn from it but nothing more i'm afraid. Complete overreaction from some.

29 Sep 2015 16:59:04
I'm more interested in how did he get £50 in pennies, if he was just making a point it sort of says something that he managed to get it.

29 Sep 2015 17:36:00
Stuie-boy, you mention Nile Ranger. If this kid is allowed to get away with stunts like this he could well end up like him

29 Sep 2015 18:31:35
Storm in a tea-cup, really.

29 Sep 2015 18:47:43
Well I don't always agree with the Eds, but Ed001 is spot on here. The young man is pushing the boundaries and needs to see he has pushed them too far, which a more imagninative and creative punishment would have done. Not a sacking offense.
Honestly, fans complain about a lack of passion and creativity. Passion comes from character, character is developed through overcoming adversity, creativity from independent thought and comes with a willingness to bend the rules.
I wonder how the posters calling for the lad to be sacked go about raising their kids?

29 Sep 2015 19:34:51
andy are u taking the piss ?
what has passion got to do with not getting to work on time ?
what has creativity got to do with sticking a load of pennies in a money bag?
hes there to do a job and learn his trade .
by the way all three of my daughters are raised well thanks

29 Sep 2015 22:19:11
Really do hate it when these stupid issues come up.

Like Ed001 said, they are humans, not robots. You all talk as if you have never done anything like that in your life.

Reality is, we're all a bunch of people who
watch these men kick a ball around on tv and think we have the right to judge them on every single aspect of their lives.

The funny thing is is that he actually paid the fine as well. And even then people take issue with it.

Get a grip people, you're all far from perfect yourselves.







 

 

 
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