13 Nov 2015 05:06:30
Hi eds, just tinking about man utd's martial purchase. Very curious to know how they come uo with 36mil value for him even though he is not proven. But looking at his performance, its a fair value actually. Perhaps liverpool can take a leaf out of how they evaluate player's worth.
{Ed001's Note - not sure what you are getting at there, you want us to pay over the odds for more players just in case we get lucky?}
13 Nov 2015 05:18:18
What i am saying is they seem to be pretty accurate system to gauge martial's value. When it was announced the purchase, they were laughing stock but that ended when this kid start playing. So it seemed to be a accurate and contrarian system to value players.
{Ed001's Note - how so? They just met the asking price, not paid the value they ascribed to him. There is nothing 'accurate' about valuations, it is impossible to be more accurate as everyone ascribes a different value to everything. I really do not understand this nonsense of saying they got one signing right so they must know what they are doing when they overpay. What about all their other signings? Or should we base every judgement on one thing? Maybe we should sack a manager after every defeat?}
13 Nov 2015 05:51:29
How have you come to the conclusion that martial is actually a good signing? what has he done to convince you? for me he goes far too much missing in games.
13 Nov 2015 07:13:26
akshit,
goes missing in games? the lad has been pretty much influencing most games he played, this is backed up with his 5 goals and an assist already, I don't know what more u expect?
there's no doubt we over paid for him and I agree with ed we got lucky he's seemingly turned out to be a good purchase but there's no doubt we rolled the dice with him.
the boy has talent and already at 19 is impacting a team that was lacking.
13 Nov 2015 08:34:12
Where does the 36m£ prize tag come from? Manchester United are paying Monaco 50m €, with another 30m€ in ad ons, 20 of those will most likely be paid of the first season, unless he gets a massive injury keeping him out of the team. I have to say he does look like a really good talent, but he has only 1 season on senior level, so its still early to say how good he will be. Looks like a huge talent though i have to admit. But it is takin transfers to a whole new level.
13 Nov 2015 09:22:52
to you there is no doubt, to me there is a lot of doubt. that's the gist of it. he hasn't done enough of what he can do. for 90 minutes on the pitch he shows a lot of immaturity and non awareness which is obvious for a player his age. yes he is a decent player but saying that you have rolled the dice to no.6 with him is far from correct. he is an investment, whether the returns on it are worth should be decided only after two- three seasons. he will come good, equally likely he might just not. i don't deny his quality but is he using it to obvious effect, i cannot say. the lad has done one enough to suggest he is good signing but not enough to suggest he is a breakthrough sort of signing. in three years he might be up there or he might be a zaha. and am not going to discuss how for now he is a very one dimensional player.
13 Nov 2015 09:44:12
I would say to me he has shown he is doing it atm, where as seem to expect more.
the future I can't comment on I can only judge now but to claim he has gone missing is just silly, he has influenced most of the games he has played.
one dimensional? u mean a lad that has come in playing striker and shifted to the left? that's not one dimensional.
13 Nov 2015 10:55:55
People very quickly forget about the hit or miss nature of transfers. And it applies to every team across all leagues and even all sports. For every Cantona, Schmeichel, Van Nistelroy, and Ronaldo that are brought in and were successful, there are the Andersons, the Verons, the Bebes and the Zahas that are failures. So to imply that Manchester United gets it right every time is to look at it incorrectly. And, for me, the price paid for a player, is not the value of the player per se. It's more a price paid for the owning team to let go of the player. There's a very fine difference, but a difference nevertheless.
13 Nov 2015 11:52:00
He is s talent but look at chicarito, he made a massive impact in his first couple of seasons but his value has more than halved and he's just a squad player now. How anyone can say he's worth 36 mil plus add ons ( and looks fair value) because he's scored 5 goals and has a couple of assets is beyond me.
13 Nov 2015 09:25:34
Akshit
Martial is a good player, The only Hindrance is LVG sticking him out wide to accommodate Rooney.
He was fantastic in the U21 for his national team. He had pace and his finishing is lethal.
13 Nov 2015 14:08:59
I didn't say he was worth 36m just pointed out he has not gone missing that much at all, in fact he has been our only shining light in an attack on with its flaws.
13 Nov 2015 15:21:09
I think its way too early to judge Martial. he's been a good player this season but CTR he has also not been effective at times, which is understandable he's only a young lad! I can't remember exactly which game it was he did indeed go missing. Had one easy tap in and fluffed it.
The thing i'm keeping in mind is Di Maria was one of the best players of the la liga then went to Utd, first few games he was quality i know he got injured but you have to question the coaching and tactics in some form. LVG played him as a striker at times if i recall? He's a winger but the season he carried RM at times he was played through the centre no? that's the problem i had with LVG, Di maria might have been deadly through the middle or at least more effective than a back to the goal striker. He wasn't physical enough to go up against big centre halves.
Thats my point Martial has come in good form but can LVG keep it up with him? or rather the coaching and tactics allow him to carry on playing at a good level. The other lad Depay has been poor. But i said before he signed for Utd he has a attitude problem if he doesn't keep his head down he might struggle. NO denying Utd are doing well atm. That said personally feel they have been lucky and playing pretty average football. They are 4th but i'm questioning can they keep in the top 4 playing pretty average football all season.
I think Martial is a good player. Over paid for him i think but none the less if he keeps his head down and LVG doesn't do anything crazy with the lad should carry on doing well. Depy on the other hand i'm not so sure!
13 Nov 2015 15:53:33
gd post Ali, I would agree mate I think the game u were thinkimg was Arsenal away.
that is one game, he was also not so great vs Moscow at OT which is to be expected of a young'un, it was just the comment with absolutely no sustenance from Akshit that made me giggle, to claim he goes missing to much for him to rate him is laughable and clearly shows lack of any knowledge of the sport (if he has actually watched him) .
the lad has influenced many games this season and has goals and assists to back it up to for the stat whores out there.
Depay is a strange case, the lad is not helped with Rooney's movement or lack of it. one thing is for sure he needs time.
13 Nov 2015 18:40:08
If Martial continues to score at the rate he is, avoids injury and stays with Utd for a few years, he has the potential to somewhat justify his price tag.
However, he is young, unknown and unproven long term, he may well turn into a worldie but he could just as easily fall off the boat and wander into European obscurity.
Not fair to say he's worth the money or not yet, really.
13 Nov 2015 18:50:02
that's a fair assessment Welsh boy.