13 Nov 2015 08:05:06
Hi Ed,
I was wonderining what would be your honest assesment on Hendo? How do you rate him as a player? Would he be able to get into any other top 4 sides? Personally, I think Hendo and Lucas brings more to the team, then people actually thinks of!
Cheers!
{Ed001's Note - I love Hendo, he has more quality than most people see, as they just see the energy. He can play the big crossfield passes Gerrard was famous for, he has the vision to spot when they are on as well. His workrate is exceptional, his technique is excellent, far better than he is ever given credit for. He chooses to avoid being flashy, in exchange for being effective, rather than because he is incapable of the flicks and tricks. The main issue he has is that he does not score enough goals, he weighs in with a few, but he does need to score more.
As for getting into any of the other top four sides, depends on what you mean by that really? He is a far better player than Delph, who Man City paid a lot for, offers more than Yaya Toure can be bothered to most weeks, and is, imo better than Fernandinho and Fernando, so he could get in their side. Man Utd have Herrera who is a very similar player, they just don't really need him, though he is arguably better. Chelsea lack in the midfield right now, he would be an ideal partner for Matic, a major step up from Ramires or Fabregas in that role. Arsenal are another team that don't really need him, as they have Ramsey, who is very similar, and probably a better player when both are at their best.}
13 Nov 2015 09:05:00
Cheers Ed!
Yeah I was talking about whether he would get into Top side's starting eleven and I got the answer. Do you see him taking that extra strides to be one of the best?
{Ed001's Note - if he can avoid major injuries, yes. He works extremely hard in training on his game and listens to his coaches. When things go badly for him, he just knuckles down and works harder to try and improve. That is the kind of attitude that takes a player far.}
13 Nov 2015 09:07:33
I agree with u there . Think he lacks the ability to dictate the play . Set the tone and control. Almost like he's on a leash chomping . Think he's brilliant at advancing into space, and when we stretch play he runs into space all day long and adds to the offensive aspect assist / goal, don't think he's suited for a dm role .
13 Nov 2015 09:11:22
If he scored a few more goals he level would be more recognisable if that wakes sense . Quality player who we are missing!
13 Nov 2015 09:28:34
exactly why we are missing him. he may not be that flashy, but he is effective.
13 Nov 2015 11:50:11
His attitude has been proven when he was close to being sold, thought "f' off - I'll show you" and turned into an un-missable part of our side
I remember when he first signed, people ripped the p*$$ out of me when I stated he would be Gerrard successor and future LFC captain, the bloke is pure class.
13 Nov 2015 12:25:48
Hendo is a beast and can only see him doing even better when he is back and playng under Klopp. Under rated midfielder with a sparkling attitude and a ton of quality - if he can learn to put his laces through it when it matters he'll be a game changer week in week out.
13 Nov 2015 12:31:31
He's been excellent for us. Seems a very humble and grounded guy too.
13 Nov 2015 08:36:45
Henderson doesn't score enough goals and by his nature he should be hitting few regulary.
If I am right Klopp wopuld tie him down alongisde Lucas as a typical CM, That would rule out goals but would open up his technical ability to control and dicate the game.
Chelsea and City, Both would love to have him.
I have always said this and would stick to it, He is not a typical playmaker nor famous for his excellent passing abilites like Pjanic or Modric. Henderson is a very differnt player very similar to Vidal or Gundagaon.
I would rather buy a Playmaker and relseas Henderson further forward. very similar to what Gerrard did back in 2008/09.
Nice post mate.
13 Nov 2015 09:24:01
Henderson is a decent player. Agree with 5ive. He is not a playmaker and not a typical CM who dictates and control the game. Henderson is very similar to Vidal and Gundagaon. I would play him as the advance midfielder in the team and not the typical CM.
He would definitely get into Chelsea ahead of Ramirez.
13 Nov 2015 13:18:10
Henderson a step up on Fabregas? Ooopppsss.
13 Nov 2015 13:26:13
Hendo is brilliant. I hope he gets back to training soon. I am pretty sure under Klopp he will become even better. Just needs some confidence and the goals will flow .
13 Nov 2015 13:53:51
Yes TOT66 he is more effective then Cesc. Never seen a more overrated player ever. Near useless once you nullify him.
13 Nov 2015 14:00:28
dilakh2
Fabregas:
"Near useless once you nullify him"
that's the same with all players, its the point of nullifying them!
13 Nov 2015 14:43:54
dilakh2,
Fabregas:
FA Cup
La Liga
Copa Del Rey
UEFA Super Cup
World Club Cup
Premiership
League cup
World Cup
2 Euro Championships
Henderson:
League Cup
Got on the FIFA 2016 cover.
{Ed001's Note - and your point is that you are one of those who can't judge a player except by his trophies? John O'Shea must be world class then.....
This is idiotic. Fabregas is nothing like as good as people make out, he is lazy and has no defensive awareness at all. Hendo is a better player, if you can't see that, then it just shows how little you know about the game.}
13 Nov 2015 14:49:26
Hendo should be a role model and example to aspiring young players as to what can be achieved by true hardwork, dedicatio, work ethic and will to win. The boy was close to being sold but didn`t complain nor bleat on. He just put his head down and did the hard graft necessary to the point of being capt. and a player we desperately need. He may not be as naturally skilled as Ramsey, Pjanic or Modric (who I love) but as Ed said, he lacks next to nothing bar adding more goals to his game. He will only improve under a very competent manager like Klopp.
13 Nov 2015 15:02:55
The thing that frustrates me with Henderson and why i think people say he cannot dictate a midfield is the fact that he is very reluctant to receive the ball on the half turn unless he's in 20 yards of space. The amount of times I've seen him pick up the ball from defence for example and I'm shouting at the tv screen saying "turn! " where instead he'll just pass it back to where it came from or play a negative pass which totally kills the momentum and allows the oppostion to get back in shape. I do rate him though but I think that is one of the key areas he needs to improve.
13 Nov 2015 15:05:33
Hendo is top draw. Ill admit when we first bought him i wasnt his biggest fan but he put his head down and slowly turned into a beast! He makes a good captain and i agree with some of the other lads maybe not the typical play maker. But he can spot passes and score some goals and i'm sure Klopp will want him to add more to his tally. I have to admit it would of been nice to have Jonjo and Hendo playing side by side. I rate both them highly. I think Jonjo and hendo first coming in had a hard time, but both have grown into top players. But credit to Hendo i can't wait for him to come back i think he will do well under Klopp!
13 Nov 2015 15:46:50
Yeah good one Ed001, guess everyone at Barcelona knows nothing about football as well then? Santi Cazorla is quite poor on defensive awareness too so does that mean that Henderson is better than him as well.
I like Henderson but you could never convince me that he is a better footballer than Fabregas.
{Ed001's Note - are you really this simple? Or are you making a special effort to act the fool today? Barcelona discovered he wasn't worth keeping did they not? What has Santi Cazorla got to do with anything? Your last sentence says everything about you, you will never learn anything because you are already decided on your opinion, pointless discussing anything with a closed minded person.}
13 Nov 2015 16:19:05
Cazorla point was made to show that a lack of defensive awareness doesn't make a bad midfielder there are lots of players that are only really effective in an attacking sense.
I was under the impression from reading the Barcelona pages that the main reason Fabregas was made available was because of a necessity to raise funds to bring in players before the embargo (I assume that the laziness you mentioned earlier contributed to this) .
And no Ed I was not making any special effort to act the fool I guess it just comes naturally but there was no offence intended and my apologies if some was caused.
{Ed001's Note - I never said that lacking defensive awareness made a bad midfielder, I said that it was a weakness in Fabregas's game. For a player playing deep and defending, if you are not putting in work and have no defensive awareness, then you end up getting overrun by the opposition, as we have seen happen to Chelsea time and time again. Cazorla is not the most defensively aware, but he works hard to ensure he gets back and helps out, while Fabregas does not. That is a massive difference.
Barcelona needed to sell to raise funds, correct, but they could have sold other players, the reason they chose him was because of his attitude. He was hated by the fans and his recent comments about liking Real Madrid and would be happy to play for them has certainly not improved that situation!
Fabregas, for some reason, is one of those players that gets fawned over by the media. He has good vision and passing but the rest of his game is amateur league stuff. He struts about like a peacock, offering nothing when his passing is off or there is no players offering themselves to him. He needs to make an effort, because his talent is just wasted on him. Henderson makes a difference every game he plays, that is why he is a far better player.}
13 Nov 2015 16:27:11
TOT (prolly a Spurs fan), no one mentioned SantiCarzola but you on this thread so only you can tell us where you got that from. As for Fabregas, he was got shot of by Barcelona because he couldn`t get a game and wasn`t good enuff for wht they were trying to do. For right now, he is NOT better than because he doesn`t work hard enuff and is quite poor defensively, two of the reasons he got the boot at Barca.
13 Nov 2015 16:47:38
Ed001 i never thought hendo was captain material.
{Ed001's Note - he was England U21 captain for a while.}
13 Nov 2015 17:01:52
Ed001 i don't get to watch as much football as i would like as i work evenings and weekends. but when i have seen carzola he allways seems to work hard for the team. Something i think they brought up in punditry month or two back. maybe he wasnt as much when he first moved here. And yes fab is a lazy arse. i'm not sure tott is actually watching football ey. maybe playing too much fifa.
{Ed001's Note - I really like the player Cazorla has become, shame Fabregas doesn't have his attitude really.}
13 Nov 2015 17:34:18
IMO the Fabregas we saw playing for Arsenal was a great little player but Arsene utilised him differently as he was allowed more freedom to attack and Arsenals 1 or 2 touch football at the time suited him. Chelsea's Fabragas has a lot more defensive responsibility plus he's expected to dictate the midfield. I honestly thought he would be awesome for Chelsea but he's been a massive let down as far as I'm concerned. I'd take Hendo over Fabregas all day long. If he had a name like Hendinio he'd probably be in the cover of FIFA. oh wait!
13 Nov 2015 19:27:32
The best descriptioon for Henderson is 'Efficient. Frighteningly efficient. '
He is grossly underrated by people. He is still 3-5 years off his peak and is going to continue to improve. In a couple of years time our big problem will be hanging in to him.
13 Nov 2015 19:49:57
Red Lenin, it will mean that we have to remain competitive for us to keep hold of our best players.
13 Nov 2015 21:43:43
I do agree that the Arsenal Fabregas was something quite special. But the Barca/Chelsea cesc pales in comparison. I am hoping that this is what the poster meant by cesc is better. Probably was a better player than Hendo in his Arsenal days. But h was way more attacking, scored and assisted a lot more, but in saying that, Wenger seemingly utilised him differently than other managers.
So, ed. What do you reckon of the Arsenal version of Cesc in comparison to Hendo?
{Ed002's Note - He was a 37.}
14 Nov 2015 00:54:10
i loved watching fabby at arsenal and thought he was quality. Then he went to Barcelona and he just went down hill for me. Didn't live up to the hype at all and i started to dislike him then he's at chelski and great passer when on point but other than that doesn't really do anything and very lazy on the pitch.
13 Nov 2015 21:56:46
Ed001 you said . "Hendo is a better player, if you can't see that, then it just shows how little you know about the game"
Can I just say football is all about opinions. Just because someone disagrees with you that Henderson is a better player than fabregas doesn't show how little they know about the game.
{Ed001's Note - if you say so.}
13 Nov 2015 21:43:43
I do agree that the Arsenal Fabregas was something quite special. But the Barca/Chelsea cesc pales in comparison. I am hoping that this is what the poster meant by cesc is better. Probably was a better player than Hendo in his Arsenal days. But h was way more attacking, scored and assisted a lot more, but in saying that, Wenger seemingly utilised him differently than other managers.
So, ed. What do you reckon of the Arsenal version of Cesc in comparison to Hendo?
{Ed001's Note - totally different players, but I still wouldn't have had him in my team, he was lazy, had a bad attitude and Wenger accommodated him. I would rather have the great team player that Hendo is. Fabregas, when he first burst on to the scene, had the potential to be out of this world, but he never applied himself properly. Instead, Wenger made space for him and allowed him to do what he wanted, which is why he has become the half a player he ended up as.}
14 Nov 2015 18:35:21
All it shows is how narrow minded you are. If people don't agree with ed001 then they must be wrong.
{Ed001's Note - if you say so. Narrow minded is judging people on one short convo. Only a complete moron would do that, wouldn't you agree? Almost as much of a moron as the kind of person who posts utter drivel like this really, that just wastes everyone's time and offers nothing to the convo at all. Either go away or offer a post that has some relevance to the convo.}
15 Nov 2015 20:36:43
Henderson is easily one of the most underrated players in the premier league.