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22 Nov 2015 19:30:38
Genuine question reds, do you think klopp favours firmino as the forward over benteke? he's started him over benteke at both Chelsea and city away.
I don't think sturridge can be relied upon (fitness), so could yesterdays forward line up be our favoured line up for the season?

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22 Nov 2015 20:11:12
I hope so as I don't believe (nor did I ever) that Benteke is good enough.

22 Nov 2015 20:19:10
Klopp obviously likes Benteke as he tried to sign him at Dortmund, but it's a squad game nowadays.

22 Nov 2015 20:27:02
no. He picked up a knock vs Southampton, and then missed the midweek game, then was benched for Chelsea instead of risking him starting. and having to use a sub early if he re injured himself. The last thing you want to do is take of your forward early in the match, it restricts you.
This is maybe the only game vs City you could say he was dropped, and it may have been to accommodate the work ethic of all 3 Attacking mids we played. Klopp had a plan, if that plan didn't involve Bentekes work ethic, his next plan may utilise his strength and power. Firmino is comfortable in the forward role, and hadn't taken time out for internationals.

22 Nov 2015 20:40:02
Mighty, we know that's true but Klopp has now seen Benteke up close day to day, it's possible he still fancies him but it's a also possible that he's been put off him
Who knows.

22 Nov 2015 20:44:04
Benteke not good enough? Seriously, so much tripe from some of you lot. As mentioned above, it's a squad game, especially playing high tempo like we have been. Benteke is quality and what he does. He's a different option, very strong, take up good positions, muscles defenders and holds the ball up well. Not to mentioned a mean finisher. Please refer to his goal against the scum when contemplating whether or not he's good enough.

I do think he will be the option, rather than the first choice though. What a choice to have eh.

22 Nov 2015 21:09:41
Away at the big sides, Firmino slots in that striker role way better than Benteke. Chasing down from the front, slotting in as another midfielder, mobile and intelligent!

22 Nov 2015 21:23:27
He went with the players who were with him during the week as they worked on the system. Mainly cou and fir I think. Clukd exactly put big ben anywere else on the pitch.

He mentioned it after the match!

22 Nov 2015 21:26:49
Chris Benteke as produced the goods more times than not when called on, stop writing players off and support them he is quality.

22 Nov 2015 21:34:53
The over-hype here about Firmino is quite unbelievable. Until yesterday, many here thought he is a bit disappointing overpriced, and suddenly yesterday he gave a good game (not that he score 4 goals or anything, just a good game) and suddenly he is the new Suarez. Don't get me wrong he played well yesterday, I like him and think he is a good buy but he still has a lot of things to work on in his game, his finishing for one, his dominance against teams that close their game. Coutinho is a much better player, can hold the ball better, more threatening, better in harassing defenders, have long range shots.

As for Benteke, he is a better finisher than Firmino and offers also some power in the air like his header yesterday to Skertl that made the last goal. He also changed the game against Chelsea. I hope Klopp can find a way to start with him without undermining our pressing game.

One last comment, if BR would have start with Firmino as a striker, when Benteke is on the bench, the 'only players in their position' fanatics here would have slate him big time as they did when he played Sterling as a sole striker. I always said I didn't care which position players play if it works. Yesterday it worked.

22 Nov 2015 21:36:12
Firmino ll feature a lot more this season as striker and rightly so. The one-two and link ups yesterday were special. He clearly understand Coutinho and others.

22 Nov 2015 23:29:41
Would like to see firmino off benteke for a whole match.

23 Nov 2015 01:00:51
All of you need to calm down. Klopp said post match here in the States with Lee Dixon and Graeme Le Saux, that Benteke did not start because he had worked on the game plan through out the international break with Coutinho and Firmino as the spearheads of the attack so when Benteke came back on Wed, the lads had already worked on the strategies without Benteke so there was no room for him in the stating lineup. He also said he did not plan to play Studge. He only took him on the trip to make him feel like an integral part of the group. What will happen next week? No one knows but he clarified this issue already hence, I propose that everyone just move on.

23 Nov 2015 01:04:11
It'll be horses for courses. Klopp will adapt the tactics and line up based on the opponents. Benteke gives us options and makes it hard for the opponents to second guess which system we'll use.

23 Nov 2015 02:38:28
Finally, Ron brought sense to the thread. We can not play every game with the same personnel, system or tactics - there will be subtle variations as required depending on player fitness and the opponent.

22 Nov 2015 23:59:54
fanobip: Firmino has played as a false 9 for both Hoff and the Brazilian national team. Klopp didn't play him out of position yesterday. So, no, there's no Rodgers analogy here.

Also, I think it's also a little early to declare Firmino better or worse than any Liverpool player. He's just now starting to get some quality playing time. For example, claiming Benteke is clearly a "better finisher" is funny, given Benteke missed a key chance yesterday, and missed several more against Palace. He has more goals right now, but he's also had more playing time.

Firmino was a monster yesterday, probably our best player. To say so, isn't an over-hype.

23 Nov 2015 07:25:10
Klop is not just a Manager but a very good coach as well. We see individual improvements in each player. mourinho and ancelotti are good managers who buy super-stars and merge them into a winning team. But with the financial woes of Liverpool currently that is not the best move.
Concerning Firmino and Benteke, i believe both are equally wonderful players but for different scenarios. in our default high-pressing fast paced game plan, Benteke is more of a buzz kill, and Firmino makes it click.
A good coach (which Klop is ) knows in which scenario to use which. Since we are sticking with the high press attacking football, the Firmino and Ings are better suited, but if the opponent have an answer to our high-pressing game, then introducing Benteke would be more like a boxer changing switching from orthodox to southpaw late in the match much to the surprise and defeat of the opponent.







 

 

 
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