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03 Feb 2016 21:37:30
The 8 games in the PL this season under Rodgers we got 12 points. The last 8 games in the PL under Klopp we got 10 points. Please explain how we have improved under him.

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03 Feb 2016 22:04:21
This is a joke right? You clearly have little understanding of the job in hand and the time that it will take for the players to get their fitness levels up to then be able to play working Klopp's system.

03 Feb 2016 22:07:17
Cup final. Youth given a chance. Improvement from players who were not performing. Progression in Europe.

This guy has come in during a season where we were really really poor, looking like getting worse. Players wanting to leave and a manager who was just embarrasing us in every interview. These are not his players, this is not his squad, yet he has got them to a cup final. He has had a huge amount of important injuries to deal with and due to sucess a massive fixture list.

It's just shocking to think anyone is comparing Klopp to Rodgers. Just realise we are miles away from where you think LFC is. It stopped being the 70s-80s over 30 years ago. We've fallen far behind thanks to poor ownership (Moores) and new naive ownership. But we have a top top manager, lucky to have this caliber.

Our team may not have improved result wise, but the biggest decline is the support of some of our so called fans. What a shame.

03 Feb 2016 22:10:05
Well let's sack him then shall we?
8 games in 8 weeks.
8 games in 3.5 to 4 weeks.

Rodgers had three years and we didn't look like we are going anywhere.
Come back when Klopp has had three years. If we not improving then I'll be looking for answers. Not 8 games.
Plastic red since 64.

03 Feb 2016 22:15:18
There is no need for pessimism. We have a new manager who has new methods and it takes time to implement these. Believe it or not but having a preseason to work with a team makes a huge difference. Also these players aren't players Klopp has signed. Yes he could've spent stupid amounts in January on people who may not even make the cut, but it's better to rebuild in the summer. Also we've had a lot of injuries and under Rodgers we did get lucky on more than one occasion. For example, against Stoke on the first game of the season we did not deserve anything. Coutinho showed his magic and we got lucky. Give it time. There is no instant remedy. I do recall in 04/ 05 people calling for Rafas head at one time. We weren't doing well in the league, but look what he did for us with time.

03 Feb 2016 22:02:41
In terms of results, we haven't significantly improved.

I think you have to look outside of just the results to see other positives (many have been listed on this page recently, UTSF) . Klopp is an investment and I trust him to sort us out and have us back challenging for the top 4 by this time next year.

03 Feb 2016 22:05:01
To put it another way : results are the fruits of your labour. It's not a case of get a new manager and instantly improve results (unless your Chelsea 😀) . The changes Klopp will implement are not going to bare fruit immediately. He's also learning about the premier league.
This is a huge club with huge problems. It's like trying to turn a tanker round, it will be a wide turning circle before we are going back in the right direction. I believe the process has begun but I am prepared to be patient for the results.

{Ed002's Note - So you think he took the job under false pretenses?}

03 Feb 2016 22:11:17
Okay, I am not even going to mention about the manager/ managers as I already posted my thoughts about this before.
What I cannot understand, is this: Regardless of the management, you cannot 'write off' our league season and make excuses if we don't qualify for the champions league. Because it would be a failure of a season.
Also, if we fail to win a trophy and finish outside of top 4, this would be an absolute failure of a season.

If we win at least one cup and have a strong finish to the season. Even then, this will be below par.

It will be below par because at the start of the season our target was champions league qualification, and hopefully silverware.

I hope we win at Wembley this month, as the last time was when we had king Kenny as our manager. Silverware is fantastic for our team. And as we are still in two more cups after the league cup it should give us motivation to win even more trophies.

03 Feb 2016 22:26:07
We haven't improved. Infact we've stayed exactly the same because we've still got the worst squad we've ever had without even attempting to change anything in the window just gone 👍🏼.

03 Feb 2016 22:26:59
Another false equivalence that makes no sense except of course, one is trying to say that BR should not have been fired. Klopp is our manager and had done more in four months than BR did in three years with no input on the squad he had while BR had all the input for the pathetic results we know of and for which he was shown the door. I would ask you to judge him after three years but I won't hold my breathe on that. We are in the CC final, something BR could never do. If he wins a trophy this season with a squad he had no input in, I'm sure you'll come back with some pathetic stats to down play his achievement, just like BR's allies in the media are doing now.

03 Feb 2016 22:32:20
No.

In this moment, that is all.

03 Feb 2016 22:36:22
Could not agree more. You will get slated though.

03 Feb 2016 22:53:25
Don't really understand the "false pretences" question tbh.

03 Feb 2016 23:17:40
Max
How can you have improvement from players when PL results are worse?

03 Feb 2016 23:38:01
And on the balance of play, we should have had any of those 12 points under rodgers, but should have had many, many more than 10 under klopp in the past 8 games. Its not all in the stats, stop being so ignorant of the context.

03 Feb 2016 23:50:38
This thread is ridiculous.

{Ed002's Note - It's a blast - I love this stuff.}

04 Feb 2016 01:48:20
i am sure you can say the same thing about pochettino and Sherwood by quoting the timeline of matches that favour sherwood. but look at spurs now.

04 Feb 2016 02:36:07
I 100% agree with a. woolback.

Under Klopp you can at least see improvements. Rodgers had a full pre-season and a fit squad and the performances looked dire. 2 of the games we won (I think Bournemouth and Norwich) were won by poor decisions from linesmans and referees. Flukey wins. We've also had hurrendous injury lists to boot. I don't think he's had the greatest results tbf but I don't think the two stats are remotely comparable.

Redsince64 is your tongue permanently wedged up Rodgers ring piece or something? I swear nearly everything I read from you is a 'see I told you Rodgers is better' style post.

Rodgers is gone thank god. Why not move on.

04 Feb 2016 03:13:09
I see no reason to drag Rodgers (and his expensive mistakes and waste of time) into what is happening now with Liverpool. But I understand that you are a Rodgers fan; you have made that abundantly clear, Red since 64.

04 Feb 2016 08:37:46
Pointless arguments tbh, the man is here for three years at least so suck it up and enjoy the ride good or bad.







 

 

 
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