04 Feb 2016 16:56:31
I don't particularly see how helpful leaving on 77mins is going to be, if anything it will only affect the team. I would imagine Klopp will be particularly pissed off (not with the fans per say but him and the team essentially getting caught up in the middle) . Either staying back or better still not buying tickets are better options. I appreciate those of you lucky enough to have season tickets have already paid so you guys should go and support the team. I take no pleasure in saying this or think it is totally fine but this is simple market forces, if you can't afford it don't go. Make no mistake the prices that are currently set and have been for a while will have been too expensive for a lot of people so if you can afford them now, think of those who already can't afford them. The group of people out priced has grown, I can't afford a bmw or a Mercedes so I don't buy one. I'd love one but I can't pay it. Like I say, I don't like it but it's how the world works, and it sucks sometimes.
04 Feb 2016 18:08:44
You need to grasp the mentality and culture of the people of Merseyside Lfc hopeful. Not patronising, but people of principle.
Maybe you are local, I don't know and apologise regardless.
For decades now, people have walked out and picketed over principle of being treated like shabite.
It never usually hurts corporations or clubs, but it gives bad press, and the club doesn't need that after the last few years, hence it has an affect.
Do you begrudge hard working fans paying their excessive ticket prices for this game then walking out?
I don't!
This is proof how desperate things have become.
Think about it.
{Ed001's Note - there is a definite need for change, whether or not this has an effect is irrelevant, at least it is an action of some kind.}
04 Feb 2016 18:23:24
The problem is that this type of action really means nothing. It won't last long, and all it takes for the press to more or less ignore it is a media-loved (or hated) player or manager doing well or screwing up. Things need to be co-ordinated across the league because local action, in such a small manner, is almost universally ineffective.
04 Feb 2016 18:17:38
Indeed ed 1.
All us fans should stick together, but may go to the game for different reasons, and I wouldn't begrudge that.
Is it the fans fault our recent managers have spent unwisely and unsuccessfully?
No, but it's like any corporation and government, all out to make money leaving the rest of us at the bottom of the pile to suffer and take the blame.
{Ed001's Note - people have forgotten what football is all about sadly. All this crap about it being a business. It is a sport, not a business. Business is what ruins it.}
04 Feb 2016 18:40:37
Hey Davey, I am a local. No I don't begrudge people walking out but I think I'd rather people didn't buy tickets at all, surely that's a better option showing, as eds 1 has said, exactly what the sort would be like with empty stadia. I do want something to be done but why pay them the money and then leave? Maybe everyone should refuse to buy a programme, don't buy and food or drinks so the concessions take nothing. I just hope it's not 0-0 or worse at 77 mins and half the stadium get off. I am worried about Klopp thinking he can't be arsed getting caught up in all of this, from day 1 he's wanted unity.
04 Feb 2016 18:46:25
Why did Fsg buy Liverpool? It wasnt for the love of the game. Purely to turn a profit.
04 Feb 2016 18:47:19
I know Lfc hopeful, but they haven't listened.
It's desperatioN!
04 Feb 2016 18:51:57
I get where you're coming from mate.
04 Feb 2016 19:07:24
As I see, this isn't a Liverpool problem, it's a league wide problem. I suspect FSG would be more than happy to talk about constraining costs, which is the real problem at hand. We want Liverpool to be competitive, but that's difficult to do if other clubs don't follow suit. Arsenal and United have frozen prices next year, Spurs are going up an average of 2%- it's not like our competitors are reducing ticket costs due to the bump in TV payouts, so if we did we'd simply be hurting the club and the club is the owner's main responsibility at the end of the day.
I think if groups like SoS want change (and I don't deny that it is needed), then they'd be far better off working with other like minded supporter groups from other clubs and trying to raise the issue of spiraling costs to PL teams rather than railing at owners who have done nothing but be supportive. There is no quick fix here and a walk out accomplishes nothing but making decent owners (not perfect, but certainly nowhere near as bad as they could be) look like mugs, which is honestly what I suspect the real agenda is anyway.
{Ed001's Note - the problem here is that the owners sat down and talked with fans groups then totally ignored them. They just did what they wanted anyway.}
04 Feb 2016 19:07:24
As I see, this isn't a Liverpool problem, it's a league wide problem. I suspect FSG would be more than happy to talk about constraining costs, which is the real problem at hand. We want Liverpool to be competitive, but that's difficult to do if other clubs don't follow suit. Arsenal and United have frozen prices next year, Spurs are going up an average of 2%- it's not like our competitors are reducing ticket costs due to the bump in TV payouts, so if we did we'd simply be hurting the club and the club is the owner's main responsibility at the end of the day.
I think if groups like SoS want change (and I don't deny that it is needed), then they'd be far better off working with other like minded supporter groups from other clubs and trying to raise the issue of spiraling costs to PL teams rather than railing at owners who have done nothing but be supportive. There is no quick fix here and a walk out accomplishes nothing but making decent owners (not perfect, but certainly nowhere near as bad as they could be) look like mugs, which is honestly what I suspect the real agenda is anyway.
{Ed001's Note - the problem here is that the owners sat down and talked with fans groups then totally ignored them. They just did what they wanted anyway.}
04 Feb 2016 19:21:46
It`s just cutting your nose to spite your face, IMO.
04 Feb 2016 19:52:44
Surely the next step is to go order pints in the pub and pay for them and leave without drinking them . That'll show the publicans and bring the price down!
04 Feb 2016 19:53:56
Wasn't in the discussion, but I doubt very much SoS asked the club to constrain costs in terms of wages and transfers in order to have more reasonable ticket prices across the board. Also lost in all this is that there is a fair percentage of tickets that are now cheaper than they were. I suspect the thought process was to make people like me coming in from the outside infrequently pay more (the infamous £77 ticket) while the locals and in particularly the youngsters would pay less. They may have screwed up the mix a bit in terms of percentages, but I do think they were attempting to compromise. Now that they're being crapped on, I suspect in the future they won't want to compromise at all.
{Ed001's Note - how many cheaper tickets are available?}