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11 Jan 2017 06:08:07
Morning all.

Ed's. why is it that through all of the years we haven't had any youth centre backs come through and break into the 1st team. Yes I know Jamie Carragher did play there but he dropped back there from a centre midfield position and also over from full back initially.

All of these years and I can't remember a centre back coming through?

Just wondering if you could shed some light on it?

Cheers

{Ed001's Note - because it is the position that takes the most time and effort to develop. Teams always give up on the youth players before they are mature enough to make that position their own.}

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11 Jan 2017 07:07:24
And to be fair, it'd have to be a fairly exceptional youth talent for a "top club" to stick with them and compete for honours ye?

{Ed001's Note - even then they don't very often. It is usually purely because of a lack of funds that young players get developed.}

11 Jan 2017 07:32:31
Patience and money. Top clubs have no patience as they constantly challenge for the title and would want to field the best possible readymade team every year. Hence they overlook youngsters and buy proven players.
Clubs such as Southampton and Everton bring their youngsters as they have no money in the first place and are ok with any place in the top half of the table.

Everton has bought a lot of youngsters through which will stop once they start to splash the cash!

{Ed001's Note - a lot? Everton have done no such thing. They bought Stones, Holgate, Coleman etc, the only ones they have brought through were Rodwell and Barkley in recent years, unless I am missing something?}

11 Jan 2017 07:41:46
Davies ed?

{Ed001's Note - how has he come through? He is just a kid and has no more come through than say Woodburn. Far too early to judge, which is the exact same problem that stops so many kids from making it. Suso, for instance, was judged and released far too early, Ilori is another. They might never have made it, but we gave them no chance of ever doing so. I hope Klopp will be different, but it will be a long time before we know for sure that he is.}

11 Jan 2017 08:18:18
Will Everton show patience with him is a different argument. I just gave you a name who made an appearance recently. The old Everton would have certainly brought him better but not anymore as they are splashing cash in search of European football.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? You do not even understand your own points! You said they brought through lots, then you can not even name any! Instead you mention a lad who has made 'an appearance recently', which is not bringing them through at all, otherwise Liverpool have a huge list of players such as Adam Morgan. Please Harry stop and think, then you might realise you are just making no sense here at all. You just need to accept you were wrong about Everton, and that it was a big gripe of their fans under Moyes, that he did not bring through youth.}

11 Jan 2017 08:42:54
I have laid the reason Y top clubs overlook youngsters for proven players and clubs such as Everton and Southampton ( They are examples who finishes just anywhere inside top 10 ) depend on their academy more than anyone.

{Ed001's Note - why are you arguing the point on this? Saints yes, but they are an exception. Everton have certainly not done this, so why do you keep on about it? Give it up. This is done, you were wrong, end of. There is nothing more to be gained with this. Topic closed. There is a reason why you can't come up with more examples - they do not exist. The Premier League clubs as a whole buy rather than develop talent. Southampton are the notable exception. Even the likes of Bournemouth and Burnley have no real youth development to point to, let alone Everton.}

11 Jan 2017 09:02:04
Fair enough Ed1. Not Everton!

11 Jan 2017 09:10:50
Ed is it fair to say Spurs are quite good at it? In recent years I can think of Kane, Mason, Carroll, Carter-Vickers, Winks etc.

I don't know how many of them were signed from other academies though.

11 Jan 2017 11:16:39
Every post you argue a different point to the last, and Ed001 might have just taken up smoking after trying to deal with that ha

11 Jan 2017 12:32:32
MK Scouser - of that lot, only Kane can be said to have come through (and even that was only because he got given some throw-away games in the Europa League and made himself impossible to drop, the summer before they were trying to sell him! ) . Mason never established himself as a real option and eventually left while it is far too early to tell for the rest of them. Ponch is a good manager for it though

11 Jan 2017 13:33:04
As Ed said, only the Saints can be commended for bringing through youth players from their academy setup as they are part of the fist team squad, not just an appearance here and there and disappear from circulation. hopefully, Klopp can do that with us cos we have some talented players as well. Will they all make it? No. But they should be given every chance and not given up on for no reason. BTW, nice discussion btw Harry and Ed as usual. That was a hoot.







 

 

 
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