24 Feb 2017 00:47:32
Genuine sympathy for Ranieri, think sacking a manager who's done the impossible for you. but saw someone mention Rafa in the other rumours page and had me thinking.
Not having a go but everyone is praising Klopp and saying it's the best football we've played in years, so under which manager do you think we played our best football? Can argue Rodgers in his near title winning season but for me has to be rafas team that finished second.
Had an absolutely lethal attack that could switch from defending to attack in an instant and had three of my favourite all time players at their best; gerrard as an absolute monster of a CAM running through defences and causing chaos with pure ability and strength, alonso controlling the midfield with absolute class, and finally fernanado doing what made him a legend. can say Suarez was better and regardless of how he left with us is still my favourite striker we had, just had everything; pace, power, touch, finishing and the ability to in a few seconds end a game.
Also have to single out Suarez against Norwich (the one he got four) as the best ever performance I've see from a player. Was in the stand at anfield and OMG that just wasn't human. Was that brilliant you didn't notice how bad the rest of the team was and would've single handedly dismantled anyteam on that form.
24 Feb 2017 05:44:20
For me during the Rafa era. 2008/ 2009 period, we were about 2/ 3 players away from being the best team in Europe in my opinion.
Xabi, Mascha, sissoko, torres and of course Stevie. It was a real shame during that period that we did not achieve more, but credit where it's due to the likes of man utd at the time, they were simply superb.
That Rafa team was defensively sound, didn't we lose all of 6 games during two premier league seasons but unfortunately drew an obscene amount. In my 31 years on this planet, that was certainly my favourite era where we looked our best (discount late 80's please, I was too young)
24 Feb 2017 06:30:55
Rarely under Rafa did we play great football for sustained periods. Some great players and performances but far too defensive for mine. Rodgers had some great football and some dross. Evans for me as Kopp hasn't been here long enough to judge and as an Aussie, it was too hard to follow when Kenny was in charge the first time.
24 Feb 2017 08:37:26
How far back are we going?
No team has improved on 1987/ 88 but I could go back further.
24 Feb 2017 09:04:27
I find it really hard to compare when Klopp is still mid-era. one consistent thing I can remember tho is that we've consistently struggled to beat teams that park the bus. Altho rafa, BR and Klopp had vastly different systems / styles, I think a lot of that comes down to never being able to secure enough talent and creativity to consistently break teams down.
24 Feb 2017 11:19:26
Rafa had everything in his team. Class and Mass all over the pitch. Liverpool ranked the best club in Europe under his regime. Assembled the most complete team in decades. He was also the best tactician I have ever seen at Liverpool. 4-1 at OT, 5-0 against Real stands out.
24 Feb 2017 13:01:17
Rafa's team had better players than Klopp's team right now BUT I have to say, we did not see the type of TEAM performances under Rafa, like we are seeing under Klopp. Klopp's team is true heavy metal football. Fast, fluid, devastating and unplayable for most of the time. BR's team can't even compare as we only saw that in a 6 month period of his 3.5 years here as the other three years were utter dross so that is a false comparison. IMO, Klopp's system is built to last and seems like set on solid foundations provided the right players are there cos right now, he doesn't have them fully. If Klopp had the WC players Rafa had or the front 4 BR had for those six months with a better defence, I shudder to think what we would have been like.
24 Feb 2017 13:06:17
Thought Rafa assembled an absolute phenomenal team that was very well balanced. Had the best midfield (Alonso, mascherano, and gerrard) which was so perfectly balanced, a top defence, keeper, and world class forward. The only thing I don't remember him getting was a top wide player.
For example if you take that team that finished second and add someone like Mane then would probably be a contender for world's best team.
24 Feb 2017 13:40:04
Rafa was a fine manager but his teams were never great to watch. I think people forget this, at key times he set up too defensively and it cost him the league title.
I remember one away game in the middle of the season we finished 2nd when he named a team for an away game against mid table opposition (West Brom I'm thinking but not sure) with something like 8 or 9 defensive players (the 2 sub full backs played as midfielders that night) .
By the time he took the brakes off the team in the last third of the season the league was gone.
Will always love Rafa and what he did for the club, but when discussing what team was best to watch since the 80s I don't think a Rafa team really comes into it.
24 Feb 2017 15:04:09
None of the current players would get into a Rafa's team except may be Mane on the right while the whole Rafa team will walk into our team atm. That backline including GK was exceptional. Under Rafa we had 11 leaders on the pitch.
Rafa has already taken Newcastle to its best state in 8 months.
24 Feb 2017 15:31:27
I think the best LFC team I have seen was the one Rafa took to the 07 CL final.
Wide players were probably the only weak link that season as Kewell, Pennant and Gonzalez never really showed up most games, so Zenden, Bellamy, Gerrard or Kuyt were usually on wide duty!
Just look at it though; Reina, Dudek, Finnan, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyypia, Agger, Riise, Mascherano, Alonso, Sissoko, Gerrard, Zenden, Crouch, Bellamy and Kuyt.
That was some side! Cannot believe we lost to that Milan side, but beat the stronger Milan with a weaker LFC side 2 years earlier!
24 Feb 2017 15:34:47
I agree, Rafa assembled but the best 11 in years, as we know the issue is our squad. Rodgers tried to address it by buying as many players as he could and then playing them all out of position. Klopp seems to be taking his time to assess exactly what he needs and hopefully will buy just a few to really improve the first 15-17 players. The most frustrating thing I've found is that we're we still haven't managed to secure a keeper worthy of a top 6 team since reina left. That would make the world of difference to our teams in these last few years.
24 Feb 2017 18:54:12
Why can't managers see the obvious, I agree, a top goalkeeper would make a huge difference, this would mean about ten points saved over the season .
24 Feb 2017 18:30:03
Harry, Mane ahead of Kuyt and Matip ahead of Skrtel are just two off the top of my head. BTW, how many player did Rafa buy to arrive at that team, Harry? 70 or so? Great scout of talent, was Rafa, eh? NOT!
As Fitzy said, Rafa had class players but sometimes he preferred to not lose a game instead going for the win which explains why he bottled the PL in 2009 after losing just two games and drawing ELEVEN (22 points dropped) . That might as well be 7 extra losses. This is where Klopp's team is better as he always tries to win WHEREVER we play. That's why we are very difficult to play against vs any team in the PL right now on our day.
Rafa was a great manager no doubt BUT at critical times, his baffling tactics have cost us games and points and the CL of 2007 where he played Kuyt as a lone striker vs an aging Milan backline. In fact, he bottled his tactics in Istanbul before that and had it not been the sheer will of the team and the fans (and a bottle job from Milan), we wouldn't have won that final. Rafa is not all that you make him out to be, my friend.
25 Feb 2017 11:27:01
Rafa won 2 league titles at Valencia after being 10 points behind the leaders Real at one point. In fact since his departure Valencia had 15 temparory or permenant managers all failing miserably. He is and always a world class manager if you know what a manager role is at a club.
25 Feb 2017 11:10:32
In my time as a Liverpool supporter ive watched Liverpool finish second 3 times. The treble winning Houllier side with Owen up top, Brendan's Suarez led team and Rafa's more tactically astute team. Think what you want about Rafa but the team he assembled with Reina, Carra, Alonso, Masch, Gerrard and Torres was up there with Real, Barca, Man Utd, Chelsea as the top teams in europe at that time.
I have high hopes for Klopp and feel genuinely happy/ lucky to have him at our club but we are a long way from the quality of that Rafa team currently. I'm not hating on the current squad, I'm just saying.
25 Feb 2017 11:39:29
Rafa love him, but far too political, doing the same at Newcastle right now, he just can't help himself.
25 Feb 2017 19:48:27
Spot on, Coming. Harry, a good manager manages the team to get results and does not pass his time playing politics, airing our dirty laundry and being a control freak hence, ruining opportunities to win the PL BUT still managed to bottle it cos his ego wouldn't allow him to see things clearly. Rafa was always a politician from his days at Tenerife, Valencia, to LFC, Inter and now Newcastle. Unlike many, I don't have a short memory and remember all the problems he himself caused even tho the owners were mostly responsible. I was glad they were all sent packing, Rafa included and thankfully, are NEVER coming back.