23 Apr 2017 21:24:19
Hi ed01 not sure if u done a match review yet but wanted to pick your brains on a few things. Not going to bag any individuals but yet again today highlighted a lack of leadership within the team. The second goal was comical and could have been avoided a couple of minutes before. A ball landed in the middle of our box no palace player was near and one of our defenders put the boot through the ball when it was an easy ball for the keeper to collect. No communication we allowed palace decent possession and 3 lovern mistakes later the ball is in the net. Same player takes an elbow couple of minutes later and waits for treatment. Where are the warriors a goal down fighting to reach our targets. Get up show no pain. Also how come we struggle a goal down in the dying minutes to create any sort of real pressure. We didn't create any openings late on and have noticed dis a few times about us. When I watch the other top teams losing late on they almost have the other team under siege or am I just imagining this. Sorry it's so long winded an incredibly frustrating day and so typical after players coming out in the media congratulating themselves on recent good performance eg migs and stories of the big transfers we will get when we qualify for cl typical.
{Ed001's Note - we are playing against Palace under Allardyce. This is the same team that did exactly the same to the league leaders a few weeks back. Why are people so surprised? This is what Allardyce does. He organises the team extremely well, so they give up very few chances and looks to pick off the opposition on the break. We have a young team, lacking in quality to come off the bench and change things.
Again the Spurs example is relevant, as the lack of quality to change the game has been a big problem for them as well. It is only this season that they have shown any signs of fixing that issue under Poch. Why? Because he was given time and patience to build. He wasn't ripping down the foundations and beginning again after every frustrating result, which is exactly what people seem to want us to do.
We have a young squad that needs to be given time to grow together. We do not have £250m like Pep and Jose will have to spunk on players, so we can't buy success. Patience and support is needed now. Oh and the players need to shut up and stop talking themselves up.}
24 Apr 2017 08:22:18
Thanks Ed001, I for one needed this reply after feeling dejected with that performance. Hopefully Klopp is given time and freedom to get this right. After the next 4 matches, the world might seem a lot brighter, we shall see.
{Ed001's Note - fingers crossed.}
24 Apr 2017 09:13:45
Couldn't agree more Ed. We need to low this squad to develop and grow. I'm sure some added quality will come in during the summer. We need to learn patience as fans and stop demanding and new starting 11 every summer. 2 or 3 top quality additions in the summer and then replace any departures to ensure added depth from the bench.
Give the squad and the management time, hopefully FSG already know this and will do just that.
24 Apr 2017 09:45:09
How much time do we give them, yesterday was not a one of game it's been thr problem for years that we can't break teams down that doesn't come down to the manger it comes down to players not being able to. The only one who looks any good yesterday was coutinho.
The defence side off are game has not improved one bit . By the way I'm not having ago at anyone. I'm just saying money buys you quality players but it doesn't mean you win anything.
{Ed002's Note - Nothing to do with the manager?}
24 Apr 2017 09:41:41
Spurs finished 3rd last season. Pushed Leicester nearly to the very end and only gave up in the last few games when they knew the league title was gone and threw away 2nd place to Arsenal. That was Pochettino's second season in charge. I like Klopp, i love his energy but sooner or later the excuses have to stop. Next season is make or break in my opinion if we don't get top 4 this season. We shall see.
24 Apr 2017 10:00:32
Our recruitment of defenders and goalkeepers is absolutely horrendous.
That being said, certain managers can get worse players to play better defensively. We haven't recruited good defenders and goalkeepers but we certainly don't get the most out of what we have.
I think it was a great reply from ed001 ðŸ‘.
24 Apr 2017 10:48:03
you might be right about the defenders ron but i don't think your right about the keepers as even though we treated and some fans talk rubbish about karius he was really highly thought off and migonlet look ed like a really top keeper at a lowly sunderland maybe its something the club trainers do when they arrive.
24 Apr 2017 11:03:02
bruffio - I think we should be buying keepers who can cope with pressure on high balls in the box. Karius may have been highly rated in Germany but you don't face as much pressure on high balls in Germany. Anyone who had watched him in Germany could see he flaps at the ball. It was a clear weakness which the club has done nothing to help him with.
24 Apr 2017 12:52:34
Have the club done nothing to help him with it Ron? Who knows, we haven't seen him play for months!
24 Apr 2017 14:08:32
Spot on, Ed. We have had SIX losses this season yet after every loss, some fans act like the season is over and Klopp is useless and he needs to be sacked. The over-reaction after every loss or bad result is becoming boring and tedious. Even when we win, there is something to moan about as for some, the club, players and Klopp can do NOTHING right.
It seems wallowing in self-pity has become the norm with some fans and adopting Murphy's Law is now seen as the best way to go cos hey, at least they won't be disappointed when crap hits the fan. That is the wrong mentality and Ed01 touched on this beautifully. Spurs and Poch was given tinme cos in his first season, Spurs finished 5th and he was able to build from there and even the FA Cup game showed that they still have a ways to go as their inexperience showed in that game. If they fired him after his first season, you think they would be as far ahead s they are right now? Had BVB fired Klopp after his first couple of midtable finishes, would they have become champions and gotten close to winning the CL under him?
If you wanna rip everything up after every loss, then you will be wallowing in self pity forever. Klopp has improved us this season and the points total and goals scored bears that out and not winning the PL in his first season (as if any other manager has in 27 yrs) will NOT change that. There is still far to go and more work needs to be done and he himself has said that and recognized HIS mistakes a lot this season. Keep the faith and we WILL get CL footie this season.
24 Apr 2017 14:40:24
Tbf ron atcheburg has been using body bags to pressurise the keeper when coming for crosses. So it has been identified as a weakness. But no amount of training can give a keeper the bottle to come for crosses in a crowd or ne prepared to take a hit while doing so. Both karius and migs have been guilty of not manning up on that front.
24 Apr 2017 14:50:36
Ron, pretty much all the pictures you see from Melwood of Karius training he is catching high balls with coaches bumping/ buffering him with pads to get him more used to the physicality of the Prem and dealing with high balls. Not sure what more they can do to help him deal with that than train him up to deal with it better?
24 Apr 2017 15:24:55
Yeah, sorry I meant they did nothing to help him with it before throwing him into the lions den of the premier league.
24 Apr 2017 20:59:56
Ron when you say other managers have done better with worse defenders, which defenders and how do you class worse? I mean if those defenders have done better then surely they are better defenders? If only done better in the odd game then so have the LFC ones. If we mean ball playing ability i don't know that makes worse defenders.
The goals on Sunday and others have shown these are not good defenders. May not be awful but aren't good and in some cases suffer from ball watching and lack of positional awareness. These are things they should have been coached out of in their teens and it does raise the question can they be coached to be better in the time required?