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09 May 2017 08:36:43
Found this havening a google, Very Interesting.

"Before Sunday's game against Southampton, current Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp and ex-boss Brendan Rodgers had identical Premier League records after their first 65 games in charge of the Reds: W33 D18 L14 (117 points) .

We know Klopp drew his 66th game against Southampton.

How did Brendan do?

He won his. "

{Ed002's Note - Up to now Klopp has been behind the curve in comparison to Rodgers - you shoud be pleased about this.}

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09 May 2017 09:23:57
To be fair Brendan inherited players like Gerrard, Reina, Agger, Carragher, Henderson and Suarez.

Klopp inherited Brendan's mess.

You cannot compare different seasons anyway. As well as the above, Brendan was also competing in a league where Man United was managed by Moyes and LVG, Everton were managed by Martinez, Spurs were nowhere near being a good side and relied 100% on Bale etc.

In the last 2 seasons we have seen the level of competition in the Premier league go through the roof. When the likes of Crystal Palace, Stoke and West Ham can start paying £20m for a player, the competition will always be tougher.

What matters really is how we perform against our rivals season by season. Rodgers and Klopp have very similar records right now. Great. Both had a title challenge in their second season which petered out into mere CL qualification. Where we see Klopps true ability is next season. Does he completely flop in the Champions league and finish outside the top 4 again like Rodgers did? Or does he kick on and improve? That is what really matters. Rodgers started his career here very well. It was the dross which followed 13/ 14 that got him canned. Not his first 2 seasons. So this comparison is mute really.

09 May 2017 09:42:04
I would rather compare them after 122 games. And also compare their records in cup competitions.

09 May 2017 09:46:02
Agree very difficult to compare - Rogers had a fantastic run for a while, where SAS nearly delivered the title, but then he fell apart when he tried to remodel the side (buying in players like Balo and Benteke which were very different styles to previous season) . Those last set of results, like the 6 goals we shipped against stoke, were just abysmal and there was no faith left in the squad.

Klopp on the other hand took over a team in poor shape, and while he has made some mistakes, he has the team playing like a team and re-established a clear identity and pattern of play. Yes the few mistakes (like failing to strengthen at CB, FB and recruit a fit striker, and then more recently playing some very defensive setups) have still hurt and delivered some dissappointing results, however fundamentally we are learning and moving forward. I no longer go into games wondering who will play and if we'll be competitive. yes we can improve but aside from Chelsea and Tottenham I'd say we're next in line.

A couple of windows where we strengthen further, and if we manage to keep our best players like Coutinho, and we could be witnessing a return to a consistent top 4 spot rather than the one year where Rogers blew the doors off with Suarez leading the charge.

09 May 2017 10:00:23
Completely agree!

09 May 2017 11:50:09
Brendan came in with a reputation of Europe's best upcoming manager playing the Barcelona style of tital football. Failed in his third year and got the sack. Won nothing in between other than wasting trick loads of money on players.

Klopp is no different. Won nothing so far and will enter into his third and most crucial year next season. He has to deliver trophies else he gets the boots.

09 May 2017 11:51:23
MK That's if we make champions league, god forbidding we don't.

09 May 2017 09:41:22
What do you mean by that ed?

Like both managers just never understood the sacking of Rogers to bring in a German version of him as they are very similar. I also think to blame either of them for the team under performing is unfair. Yes there is things they should do like not playing players out of position but out of the pool of players we have sometimes there is no choice eg. Milners better at LB than Moreno. I personally think Courts is wasted in the LF/ LW position as a more central role would suit him but who else can we put there? Yes there is the youngster but for some reason Klopp doesn't think they are ready so well have to respect that.

Lets just hope Klopp is here for the very long term as that is exactly what the clubs needs.

{Ed002's Note - Quite frankly Klopp is not as good as the majority of the Liverpool fans think he is. They throw up the pitiful and embarrassing excuses of transition and he has not been at the club long enough, the tight fisted owners, the players not being good enough, the pitches being too dry, it raining outside etc.. }

09 May 2017 11:06:26
Ed002 says these things because he knows it winds people up. Ignore it. We know Klopp is a much better manager than Rodgers, no matter what some unknown ITK says.

{Ed002's Note - Try not to be a complete cretin. Right now Klopp has a poorer record than Rodgers. It is hardly "winding people up" to explain something that is correct to those who are blind and stupid. Embarrassing.}

09 May 2017 12:19:03
Klopp has a lot to prove so far. Not much of an improvement on BR imo (no trophies so far) and just like BR, the club cannot seem to keep a hold of its best players even under Klopp's regime.
Top4 now is imperative and Klopp needs to push on next season by winning a major trophy and securing UCL football for the force-able future. Otherwise, he will go down as one of the many managers that could not give the fans what they crave (the BPL) .

09 May 2017 12:34:25
ED002 really does think that Klopp is the great imposter. My response to that is "is there anyone out there with a proven track record that LFC could attract? "

I am struggling to find one.
Klopp is the best we can get and we will stick by him (for the time being at least) . If he is as bad as ED002 thinks then time will tell.

{Ed002's Note - I don't think I have said he is bad, but he is simply not as good as many think. Liverpool had several better options available to them when the decided on Klipperty - that has been done to death. Klipperty has won nothing for years as I have explained. He is stuck in his waus and is failing to show an ability to adapt and change. It doesn't make him bad and as the Liverpool fans are happy with the smiley clown approach and the lack of success, then long may it continue. FSG were dumb enough to give him a contract extension very early on - which suprised everyone.

So it is not a case of him being bad, it is in view a case of him not being good enough for Liverpool unless he can change. Until then, he will get by as the happy clown and the Liverpool fans will happy as the continue to celebrate failure.}

09 May 2017 12:36:05
As a number of posters have said, let's wait and compare records at the end of their tenure, not during.

What Ed002 says is factually correct, Klopp does currently have a worse record than Rodgers. No denying that.

There are a number of factors that contribute to that, as outlined by MK and others. I certainly don't think that Klopp is the messiah, he has faults as all managers do. I do believe that he is the right manager for us right now.

As to comparing eras, yep also difficult. For example, given Fergie's early years, I'm pretty certain he had a far inferior record to Klopp or Rodgers in his first X games, but he did OK? Of course, you can't compare eras, so that comparison is as irrelevant as comparing Klopp and Rodgers!

I feel more confident having Klopp than Rodgers. I'm sure most fans feel the same way. That's the only comparison that matters.

09 May 2017 13:06:16
I do like Klopp and I really hope he can bring success back to the club, but he's not addressed certain issues on field that were blatantly obvious when he took over, the defence being the big one for me -IMO.

My first choice was Ancelloti.

{Ed002's Note - Back in January #WonderDogSparky did explain about the defence. }

09 May 2017 13:18:17
ED002- thanks for qualifying your comment-but please answer my question. Are there any better alternatives out there?

{Ed002's Note - I did answer your question - Liverpool had better options at the time and made a mistake. He was then given a lengthy contract so they could not afford to sack him even if they wanted to. But there are always better options out there.}

09 May 2017 13:28:46
Sorry ED002- my question was in the present tense- is there anyone now?

{Ed002's Note - There will always be someone but Liverpool are not looking for a manager now.}

09 May 2017 15:42:57
Only Zeddicus and MK have posted some good comments here. Comparing Klopp to BR or vice-versa, is a fool's errand, a false equivalence and comparing apples to oranges. It's like saying we should compare Klopp's first 66 games to Rafa's first 66 games while at the same time, ignoring the context regarding squad quality, individual talents, strength of competition in the PL at that time and so on. That is not a good way to judge. People seem to forget that BR's first one and a half season were dire (with the likes of Allen, Borini, Assaidi and the like) and it was not until Jan of 2014 that we got on the run that almost won us the PL. Everyone seems to forget that which is why stats are pointless without context.

Klopp inherited BR's mess with no pre-season to evaluate the players and get the ones he wanted in. You cannot disregard that as that is a key factor for ANY manager tho a lot of work still needs to be done cos like it or not, it's his team now cos he said so himself.

Has he made mistakes? Of course and he even admits that (something BR could never do cos nothing is ever his fault) BUT at least he got us to two cup finals in his first eight months, something BR could NEVER do in his 3 and a half year here. BR won NOTHING here soso why is he being seen as some type of "success" over Klopp who's only been here for half his tenure, Buzzer?

See how anyone can use stats to make a point? Judge them after a similar amount of time cos taking random stats at face value is pointless.

09 May 2017 16:42:17
Late to this party but I completely disagree with Mk. Rodgers inherited the worst Liverpool team in 50 years. In 3 seasons he had to rebuild it from scratch. Klopp received a much better team than the one Rodgers was given.



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