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05 Jun 2017 21:13:13
Come on! what's wrong with people? Why are so many on here whining about prices? Everyone else spends big money and we moan we're in the bargain basement, shop in the top shop and whine we're overspending? Seriously? Its not our money and after last seasons profit im saying we can probably afford it, VVD was essily the best defender in the league last season before his injury, every club wanted him and yet here are people telling us what he's worth, let me tell you if pogbas worth nearly a 100 million then VVD is easily worth 60, and let's not play the 'well we have Gomez and Lovren' card, they are not in this lads class.
Anyone would think we don't want to win the Champions league again, and let me tell you we aren't in there to get past the group stage we're there to win it or what's the point.
Chill out fellas its all good stuff!
YNWA.

{Ed025's Note - im with you richie..

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05 Jun 2017 21:33:30
But are you still in bargain basement and just paying top prices.

Point is is vvd that much better thab a defender who would cost 25/ 30.

There are loads out there. We are paying a rediculous premium on a good player but end of the day he's a southampton defender who we trully only ever see twice and on MOTD. And he is like prime time for motd. Overall though when selecting a defender having to then teach him how to defend is not what 60 mil shouls buy.

I guarentee we could offer 60 million for most top cbs and probably get them.

200k a week. We could tempt them.

The problem is the lack of respect for defending. Its an art. As mucb as being good in front of goal.

How many times do you say we can teach them that. it doesn't happen.

The fowlers, kanes and ronaldos. That finish is unteachable. or wait for it. everyone would have the worlds best striker.

Sane as defending. moreno prime example you just cannot teach it.

You can make any set of defenders a solid unit, with dedicated coaching. Pulis and sam do it.

I worry that the same as brendan did with lovren, is think throwing a top defender will fix the problem.

Do you not wonder why we keep buying southampton defenders and they lose them and still defend better than us?

Another issue is he (i don't know bgw) vocal? Because noone else in the back 4 is. If he isn't a leader then who does the coaching on the pitch. pulling the line up, shouting at people to get back into position. Because that's what we need and haven't had since carra.

Im all for vvd but still won't hide my worries, that its for me far too big a risk. He is not the finished article.

Oh and lastly just for a second. What if bayern come for klopp next year, whose going to teach this player to defend? that's where all your faith is afterall.

05 Jun 2017 21:35:29
Last seasons profit when the club made a £20m plus loss?

Some are living the short memories of H and G when the club was riddled with debt.

Don't worry though, FSG's bank account to the rescue = more debt for Liverpool.

I am excited about this window though. If Liverpool are all in then we might as well do a good job of it. Spend big now, more than what we ever have worry about the rest later. That is the honest truth.

05 Jun 2017 21:25:50
Yep. Can't disagree.

05 Jun 2017 21:27:25
Agreed mate. There's no pleasing some people.

05 Jun 2017 21:46:34
Sorry Supermane, you couldn't be more wrong.

In my view, the fact we are competing with Chelsea and Man City proves this is a player in demand by top clubs.

He will improve a problem area we have had (i. e. leaking goals) and that, in my book, is all that matters.

05 Jun 2017 21:51:46
Think your spot on there Richie.

05 Jun 2017 21:40:45
I cannot believe people were satisfied with Lovren and Klavan for the coming season. Lovren single handedly dragged us out of top 4 luckily Coutinho and Danny had other plans! Can you imagine Klavan vs Ronaldo? Lol.

05 Jun 2017 22:00:55
Cheers 025 buddy, I really don't get it, how can these fifa addicts be so concerned with prices? And who are these 20-30 million pound cb's we could get? Have you seen the average price of players now?
I'll guarantee you this for an absolute fact, if we signed one of these so called 20-30 million pound cb's say Keane or Gibson or anyone else relegated and not good enough for champions league football and someone say like City signed VVD for 60 mill we'd be hearing on here all about the fact we'd been buying our 2nd and 3rd choices and why couldn't we compete for VVD, its stupid getting, some claim to support and want us up there with the money men and then moan when we do buy quality.
Unbelievable, tell me who these top drawer 20-30 million pound centre backs are then as in todays market migs would cost you that and so would Emre Can, who are these world beaters that every top 4 side are obviously missing out on? John Stones 50 million, i'll leave that there.

{Ed025's Note - your dead right richie..

05 Jun 2017 22:04:21
Zed sure you want to stick with citt as your quality measure?

Sterling, stones, otamendi, mangala

150 mil rigjt there. 3 cbs?

Theyre not very good at judging them are they.

05 Jun 2017 22:10:37
Let the owners deal with the money, we just do the other important bit and support the player!

05 Jun 2017 22:18:21
Thea two teams that finished 1st and 2nd in the league were chasing him, allegedly, and we've (hopefully) got him.

I don't give two hoots about the money as its crazy these days period, what I care is that we have improved our team and also avoided our direct competition improving theirs.

05 Jun 2017 22:18:44
Sorry, I know Citeh finished 3rd! Keep forgetting about Spuds!

05 Jun 2017 22:51:15
Supermane I get the concern, have the same feelings with Salah if I am really honest. But in football you can't live life thinking what if all the time. Of course he could fail but every player might not settle at a club. We could of gone all out on lb and get mendy and then he not settle in the prem. Then all of us fans would be saying we should of bought VVD and stuck with milner.

Nothing gets done thinking like that. The fact is VVD has been one of the better CBs for the last few seasons. Our defence has been one of the worst. So signing him has to be a good call at the moment. Sure it won't fix the situation but I'd of liked to have VVD rather than Lucas playing against Leicester last season. If we can keep three strong CBs there is expensive but good depth. And if we get a CB pairing that works for 5/ 6 years it starts to look cheap.

05 Jun 2017 23:01:11
Preaching to the converted richie my friend. Put it thus way, city paid £50m for stones last season. Going by that deal vvd is a steal at the same price. Its the market value even for half decent players so better get used to it.

I know he has deficiencies, but who bloody doesn't and why are people so hung up on money that don't belong to them. Aside from varane who else could come in who is a major improvement on vvd.

06 Jun 2017 00:09:42
completely agree with Ritchie. If we're proven wrong and so is klopp then have a go about if he's worth it but for now have faith.

06 Jun 2017 02:48:23
trying to evaluate the worth of a player and comparing his ability to other players based on their market value is just plain STUPID.

we can debate about club's spending power and ability to pay top dollar for the world's best stars. But I just don't understand why it is so important for some of you to compare transfer fees and form complex algorithms so as to ascertain the true value of a transfer compared to other players. I mean c'mon. 50mil for Stones should have had ya scratching ya head hard enough to convince ya to just give up on trying to figure out how it all works!

06 Jun 2017 04:06:03
there are plenty cb's out there for 25m, the issue is they area higher risk than VVD. If we want to strengthen I think we're better going for a top drawer defender than taking a 25mil defender that might get to that level. we've probably done too much of the latter in recent years which has shown in our ' hits and misses' in the transfer market.

06 Jun 2017 08:56:14
We aren't city and can't fix this next year. So if this is 60 mil down the toilet it will hurt us.

06 Jun 2017 09:07:34
Ahhh faith are you upset about us trying to buy vvd. Point is a player is worth whatever a team is willing to pay for him simple as. Whether you liked my comparison or not it highlights that cost has nothing to do with the players ability but their percieved added value that player may or may not bring to a team. I believe vvd would add stability and strength to our back line, how much is that worth to us?

Personally i would be happy for the club to pay £50m to not be embarrassed in the champions league like we were a few seasons ago or totally fall apart in another european final.

06 Jun 2017 22:26:58
Yeah because we also spent our rivals budget aswel. Oh no tbeu will still sign players.

There are better defenders out thete for much less. Its not the going rate.

Also pogbas fee was just his skill. It was his entire image. Millioms of follows online, addidas poster boy, his own freekin emojis. So there was huhe oayback on the investment. For us if he doesn't work out its pretty much loss all over the park or god forbit klopp pulls a sakho and just wants rid of him.

07 Jun 2017 15:25:55
But he can't defend. .

What are you not understanding.

He is a huge 60 mil risk. hinged on the hope that klopp can teach him how to defend, like he did eith all our other defenders, esecially moreno.

Gibson can defend, is vocal, the opposite to matip, which is important. he would cost half the amount and can already defend. He also has ed001s approval. he's a carra type, rather than a modern passing type. Although he can do both.

Maybe if we signed him we could get mebdy aswel, and be 100% better off than just vvd and robertson.

You all just want a shiny new toy and be able to say we beat city for him, they let us have him because if theu wanted him we wouldn't be in with a shout.







 

 

 
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