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04 Jul 2017 22:14:17
Since Jürgen Klopp has joined LFC, in your opinion, would you say overall he has:

A. Not lived up to your expectations
B. Met your expectations
C. Surpassed your expectations.

{Ed002's Note - Has he yet gotten a better win percentage than Brendan Rodgers?}

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04 Jul 2017 22:35:22
Jury is still out for me. Love the guys passion. but like Ed002 rightly said his win rate is worse than Rodgers and we know where that got Brendan 🙈.

04 Jul 2017 22:41:25
Brendan had Suarez. sorry but he was just that good.

04 Jul 2017 22:45:24
Has he had brendans third shocking season yet.

His win percentage will blow brendans away after next season.

04 Jul 2017 22:27:34
So your expectation was for him to have a better win percentage than Rodgers Ed? 😉.

04 Jul 2017 22:40:06
Ed002, I am intrigued by how little you rate Klopp. I understand you are not a Liverpool fan is that right? When Rodgers left, I actually wanted Ancelotti, felt we needed to be stronger defensively and harder to beat. So much experience too. You may have covered this before but was he ever close to getting the job? And if in a world he had been given it do you expect a stronger Liverpool than what Klopp has put together. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with how I rate Klopp. It is to do with a factual basis.}

04 Jul 2017 22:45:57
His win rate might not be better at this point, but I'm sure after 3 years his will well excede Rodgers, don't forget under Rodgers we had the 6-1 defeat to stoke, 1 win against top 4 oposition, I think we're building a more balanced and stronger squad now.

{Ed002's Note - Absolutely.}

04 Jul 2017 22:47:04
Interesting to compare BR without Suarez to Klopp.

My money would be on Klopp 😄.

{Ed002's Note - Any excuse for a BJ Ron. It is a real pity the truth doesn't come in to things.}

04 Jul 2017 22:53:28
He is 10x the manager Brendan was and like Redphil states, Brendan had Suarez, without Suarez he'd not have got half the wins he did, that's just the truth to the matter. Klopp is on another level compared to Rodgers, he took us to champions league without a Suarez, he's building a team and not having to rely on one man. Fact.

04 Jul 2017 22:54:35
Are we seriously comparing klopp to other managers already? Brendan Rodgers team got carried by Luis Suarez! FACT! Does that make rodgers a better manager than klopp? Let's hope klopp can find another Suarez (minus the dramas! ) In my opinion he has met expectations by getting us back into the champions league! Now its time for trophies!

{Ed025's Note - i wish people would stop though this makes it true..

04 Jul 2017 22:58:41
BJ? Anyway. Was anyone else in the Ancelotti boat? Don't get me wrong I like Klopp but just interested to hear and not to discuss bloody Naby Keita or Robertson for a change.

04 Jul 2017 23:02:35
Klopp hasn't done enough for me yet, but equally Ed002's constant bashing of him is a little boring.

{Ed002's Note - I am sure wuou will be happy to point out the bits that are not true.}

04 Jul 2017 23:07:09
Hes also made a european cup final and a another cup final while having a positive net spend and minimal amount players coming in. imagion wat he would have done with sterling suarez sturridge and gerrard coutinho henderson behind them like rodgers did that year. i think the end of this season is where we should really judge him.

04 Jul 2017 23:07:59
Ed002, I think we both know stats, such as win percentage, are not the full picture (truth) .

You're right though, I don't usually need an excuse 😛.

{Ed002's Note - Absolutely Ron - it is all horribly distorted to make Klopp look worse than he is.}

04 Jul 2017 23:00:11
for me it is B. win rate is irrelavent. We were like 7th or 8th when Brendan left and finished 4th is a big step forward.

04 Jul 2017 23:01:32
Liverpool are a more successful club than Everton FACT!

Is that not true, Ed025 petal?

{Ed025's Note - that depends on how you gauge success zeddicus, if we are talking about successfully integrating with the community and doing good deeds for the less fortunate in society then the answer is no not prepared to discuss other forms of success until i have contacted my legal team.. :)

04 Jul 2017 23:17:32
If it's all about win percentage without context bring back Benitez then.

04 Jul 2017 23:19:17
What a ridiculous amount of crap comes out at times, Rodgers had Suarez bla bla, he had a good player and used him properly, surrounded him with Sterling sturridge and we came closer than any manager in nearly 30 years to winning the league, if pep didn't have Messi would he have won as much? While I do think klopp is a better manager, what was Rodgers win rate when the little scumbag was suspended for continuing dragging our club through the mud, anyone know?

04 Jul 2017 23:21:08
lol zed, fact is fact, can't be more factual then that mate. haha!

04 Jul 2017 23:28:06
Klopp's Win ratio vs top 6 is outstanding. Some adjustment is clearly needed against teams that defend in depth. We started to see that ar the end of last season. 1st 11 stronger than Roger's overall. The depth behind the 1st 11 should now be being addressed.

Klopps transfers have, on the whole, been good with the less successful ones being inexpensive in today's market (Klavan, Caulker on loan) . Others (Karius, Grugic) could still come off. Klopp seems to involve youth players a bit more -TAA seems to be coming through, Woodburn also. Mignolet's goalkeeping has improved a lot. Finally the players seem to believe in him an play for him. With Rogers at the end, they seemed to have lost faith.

On the debit side with Klopp, the cup competitions were disappointing. It took too long to recover from our post Christmas slump. His use of substitutes could be better. The organisation at defensive set pieces is still poor and the shenanigans around player recruitment is embarassing.
For me there are more positives than negatives though. The momentum is forward. We achieved our minimum goals and are looking to improve further with ambitious signings.

As for Rogers, yes he had Suarez, but he also got the team playing well and deseves more credit than most on here are willing to give. Post Suarez he made the wrong decisions under pressure IMO. Roger's Champion's league campaign was woeful. I'm expecting better under Klopp.
In summary, Rogers almost got there, I expect Klopp to succeed given time.

04 Jul 2017 23:28:29
Klopp changed the style of play and at least in my opinion we are more consitent now.
There are a few factors that come into play though. How strong the other teams are, injuries of the players or just luck sometimes.

I think klopp developed something and we will see more progression next season. After all we have been top of the league at some point last year without having a goal scoring machine like Suarez or having a sturridge in his best form (not saying that as a excuse just a fact on the side)

04 Jul 2017 23:39:20
Klopp is our manager and we love him. And we believe (and hope) he's going to take us to greater heights.

05 Jul 2017 00:28:25
The Big Test is coming this year.

Our canpaign in the Champions league under Rodgers was at best disappointing and at worse embarrassing.

Lets see how Klopps campaign matches up to the tactical uber manager that is 'Jock (pronounced Joke) Rodgers'

{Ed007's Note - Every English team's an embarrassment in the CL and has been for years. Spurs, Leicester, Arsenal and even mega-bucks Man City couldn't beat Brendan Rodgers team. Liverpool need to concentrate on winning in England before getting ideas above their station about challenging in Europe.}

04 Jul 2017 23:57:57
Just so the scumbag lovers know he's Liverpool results when the racist was suspended, first time 8 matches 4 wins 2 draws 2 losses, after his 10 game ban, 7 wins 2 draws 0 losses, his one game ban for giving fans the finger, 1 win, so from 19 games without Suarez liver won 13 drew 3 lost 3, not bad for a one man team, so complete bollix to the notion.

05 Jul 2017 00:47:46
That's a nice edited version of what I actually said.

05 Jul 2017 02:56:31
I'm saying it again. Since I've supported LFC they have had 7 managers. I'm 37, in my lifetime the Pittsburgh Steelers have had 3 coaches and won 6 Superbowls. They are widely regarded as a premier franchise. The continuity speaks volumes. The Steelers Way. The Steelers do not sack a head coach because the team underperformed in one or two years, we don't win Super Bowls every year, but they make the playoffs. LFC can not instill the values or way they want to operate by sacking managers after every 2 years. I'm not saying Klopp is perfect. And I admit he is my man crush. I am saying that he should be given time to get things right, if he falls off the wagon, then sack him.
Just my thoughts
Happy 4th
Matt in FL.

05 Jul 2017 06:37:35
this venture would have a point to it if we were comparing BR's finished liverpool resume with Klopp's finished liverpool resume. but obviously we can't. I just look at trends, and can people really argue that the club was spiralling downwards with no direction and identity in BR's final 18 months!? let's take stock after 2017-18 season!

05 Jul 2017 07:10:02
Great summary port red. Gives the lie to those who completely dismiss Rodgers, as does the performance of his Celtic side.

05 Jul 2017 07:10:15
BR is not in the same league with Klopp and this "win %" nonsense does not change that. Did BR make a European final and a domestic Cup final in his first 8 months on the job he came into midseason with a squad he did not choose? NO! End of discussion.

05 Jul 2017 07:34:48
This doesn't need to be an argument. Rodgers got a lot of things right and a lot of of things wrong but Klopp has come in and built on the foundations rodgers laid. Both of them contributed to where the club is now and we can be grateful for both.

05 Jul 2017 07:39:05
Since when is losing two cup finals something to be celebrated?

05 Jul 2017 08:39:01
Like klopp as a person, like the style of play if a little inflexible at times. But after his two seasons its a C- from me, should have won the European cup and should have at least won the carling cup.

Rodgers is not a no mark and he did some good things, but he is a smarmy liar with no loyalty to his suppposed friends who takes glory away from his players and blames them when it all goes tits up, that's why i dislike him not his managerial abilities. His achievements at celtic cannot be sniffed at despite some people trying to belittle it.

Would i trade rodgers for klopp, hell no he is our manager and i support him faluts and all of which he has a few. But which one of us can say they are perfect?

I firmly believe we will win the league with him if he is backed to bring in keita and vvd (or equivalent solid cb) . With salah in the squad we truely have balance now on both wings (inverted wingers) and a solid group of talented players. There is much to be optimistic about despite the lack of success so far.

05 Jul 2017 10:28:36
I wish benchmarking were as easy as taking one singular number to come to a relevant evaluation.

05 Jul 2017 11:08:47
Top comment stockified. A balanced scorecard is needed!

05 Jul 2017 11:16:05
There are so many factors to consider when comparing managers (players at their disposal, money at their disposal, quality of team when when taking over, quality of transfers, luck with injuries, quality of opposition, success in competitions i. e. amount of games played, etc, etc) that it is absolutely stupid and pointless to even bother!

05 Jul 2017 11:47:37
Putney, what foundations did BR lay? Getting thumped by Stoke 6-1 in 2015? Pissing the Suarez money into the wind and getting us duds like Balo, Moreno, Manquillo, Lambert? Giving Skrtel a new contract? Killing the team's confidence to the point that we were going nowhere fast under him? Trashing his own assistants and players in the media just to save face? Please, let us not rewrite history here as we were all there.

Did he get some things and some signings right? Of course BUT it took Klopp to come in and give us the Hendo, Can, Firmino, Lallana, Origi that we all know and love today and give us some of the best nights and games in LFC history and YES, got us to European final and the CC final, something BR knows NOTHING about as LFC manager.

Also, Keep in mind that these were the same players many of us wanted gone. But now, they are the spine of the team. BR did none of what you speak of and the rewards we are enjoying from these players now is ONLY the work of Klopp cos had BR had his way, near none of these players would still be here.

What he does in Celtic is to me, irrelevant. He can go undefeated for a decade in a piss poor league and I still would not care. Allegri has won the Serie A 4 straight seasons that it is no longer a big thing. His failures in the CL is what he's being judged on. Is he now in the same ranking as BR cos he won everything in Italy? Not a chance in any lifetime. Those are the facts.

05 Jul 2017 12:59:08
Neither Rogers or Klopp have been successful with Liverpool so i would say they are currently on par with each other. However, as far as entertainment value goes, i would rather watch amateur lawn bowls than sit through the mediocre dross that Brendon's sideways-passing eleven served up in his final season.
For that reason alone, i would prefer Jurgen all day long.

05 Jul 2017 13:25:59
Brussels, these foundations. Firmino, sturridge, ings, origi, coutinho, Can, Lallana, Clyne, Lovren, Gomez, Milner and Mignolet. That enough for you?

05 Jul 2017 13:56:50
Putney, again, what foundations are those? Read my post again and then we can discuss. The players you mentioned were the same players he trashed in the media incessantly, in order to save his own skin as nothing is ever his fault (just like Trump) . So by your analysis, he should be getting credit for players he himself, turned his back on when another manager was the one who got them to come good? The same ones that were going nowhere as a group under him until Klopp arrived and rescued their careers at LFC? Sorry, you nor BR do not get to have it both ways.

BR did nothing to help this "foundation" of players hence, the reason he was sacked and I will always thank FSG for ridding us of that arrogant and disloyal liar. BR chided these players in public and as Ed01 said, many of them were glad to see the back of him. BR does not get to claim credit for what he did not do. Klopp gave us the team we have now, BR already abandoned it hence, get NO credit for what Klopp has done with them. QED.

05 Jul 2017 14:24:02
Brussels, that would a good point if any of it were true.



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