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09 Jul 2017 09:30:46
Everyone banging on about VVD, Keita and Robertson. Apart from Robertson do Liverpool have any other genuine targets? Ones that have not been tapped up!

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09 Jul 2017 09:43:12
It doesn't seem like it Jim.

09 Jul 2017 09:58:29
Oxlade Chamberlain and Robertson seem like the two most likely right now in my opinion. Then possibly Koulibaly if we up our bid and stop low balling Napoli, or Mammana if we push it.

I actually think those 3 might even conclude our summer business if they happen. I doubt there is an alternative to Keita. I think he was more of a chance target than anything else.

09 Jul 2017 10:12:16
Oxlade and either of Koulibaly or Mammana would be terrible signings. We'd be better off not wasting the money.

09 Jul 2017 10:19:53
I personally wouldn't say no to us signing Mammana.

09 Jul 2017 10:29:10
We'd be better off signing ya mama than Mammana teabag.

09 Jul 2017 10:36:18
Keita and VVD were dragged through the press, the fact that we aren't hearing anything, for me, is a good thing as we might actually be trying to act through the proper channels. So let's just wait and see what happens and can we please stop saying that x player will be a terrible signing, have we not learnt our lesson with wiji and mane? Give em a chance!

As long as the club buy a decent left back, any other business is a bonus.

{Ed002's Note - They were raised in the press as they were two of the four players that Klopp briefed the press about so they could be unsettled and he could get all of his summer targets.}

09 Jul 2017 10:38:28
Spurs have interest in Mammana not us as ed has explained.

09 Jul 2017 10:47:20
I'm just forming an educated opinion based on what the Ed's have said.

Robertson is the main left back target right now.

Klopp likes Chamberlain, and Chamberlain wants to come to us.

We bid for Koulibaly as a VVD alternative, but the offer was too low.

We may show interest in Mammana which could lead to a bid. Though common sense dictates that this would be a Koulibaly alternative

Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just not delusional enough to still be banging on every day about deals which aren't happening without a massive change in circumstance. The OP asked a question and I answered it.

09 Jul 2017 10:58:05
There are very good reasons to be worried about signing Mammana, he doesn't speak a word of English, (he barely speaks French and he's been there a year), he's poor in the air, he's not particularly tall for a centre half and he's not physically strong or an imposing player, whereas he'd be fine in Spain, he'd get a battering here in the premier league as he'd be dominated pretty much every game, Benteke, Costa and Lukaku would make mincemeat of him.

09 Jul 2017 11:03:20
I know Ed, which I still think was a massively stupid thing to do by the club and Klopp. I just hope the somewhat quieter noise from the press is the club trying to do things properly.

MK can't argue with that summary.

And thanks ed's for the effort you put in on these pages, it's the only site I trust for what is really going on behind the scenes.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}

09 Jul 2017 11:03:30
Hansens - Hahaha good luck with that mate lol

MK - That's what I'm thinking, I seem to remember a lot of people moaning about how much we paid for Mane when he signed, how wrong was they. Klopp has an eye for it in my opinion, I trust him. Though we may not always agree on what he wants, I still trust him. He's building a team and fans will never be happy with every aspect of what's going on but that's football.
Good post mate, says everything briefly in one.

09 Jul 2017 11:32:39
Exactly Teabag. When we signed Klopp everyone was excited about his ability to pluck players out of nowhere and make them great. Now he is trying to do it and we are moaning about it! Robertson and Ox are two very coachable players with good raw talent. I say we see what Klopp can do with them first before writing them off.

You still need a balance though so I expect one major signing with more experience to walk straight into the first team. It looks like it could be Koulibaly, or a very slim chance of VVD if there is a massive change in that situation. I would actually prefer Koulibaly anyway but i accept that things could change very quickly in football.

Either way, I am happy if our summer business closes out with Koulibaly, Robertson, Ox, Salah, and Solanke. It'll be nice if Klopp continues to make minimal changes and builds a team. Sick of transition personally. Not sure why some are so keen in shredding up a team which looked like title challengers before we lost Mane's pace for pretty much the second half of the season. That issue has already been resolved with the signing of Salah, and we are holding on to Coutinho from the looks of it, so anything else is a bonus in my opinion!

09 Jul 2017 11:36:55
Robertson is your left back and I would urge the fans to suck it up and move on! We are not buying any 'Mendy's or Bertrand. Milner and Robertson will be rotated.

Kieta is the player Klopp wants and I expect the the club to make a serious attempt to sign him. There are no like to okke alternatives. Klopp likes Ox but he is no CM which means we are buying a player for RW ( dumb idea imo ) .

Klopp would prefer VVD over anyone and we could juts speculate at this moment!

It's 3 signings! And then outgojngs!

09 Jul 2017 11:56:21
Couldn't agree more MK mate totally correct Koulibaly I'd also prefer over VVD, this VVD saga is at the back of my mind personally because I think we're clever enough not to go for him (or one would hope) .

I agree with you Harry on Robertson, he will be signed. Keita I don't think will be. Which I'm not too fussed about to be fair.

Speaking of outgoings, will be interesting to see who we get rid of. Markovich and Sakho are key players to offload first. Recently we seem to have a lot of interest in Sakho, if we can pull of getting 30 mil for him it's a good bit of business.

09 Jul 2017 12:13:38
Has anyone actually watched Koulibaly for a full match rather than YouTube highlights? Bambi on ice with the turning circle of the QE2 is a reasonable description. Seriously give him a watch, add to that he's about the same as Sakho with the ball at his feet which at the best of times is a scary though. Then factor in negotiating with Napoli, which is almost impossible as they want well over £50m and it makes it something to steal well clear of. Ask yourself why Chelsea didn't go back to Napoli? Although I'm not convinced 100% by Robertson, I am sure that he's an upgrade on Moreno. As for Oxlade, he's another in a long line of Arsenal failures and is not worth a place in our squad, certainly not for £25m.

09 Jul 2017 12:30:57
How can you say he isn't as good as Gerrard when Gerrard has finished his career and Ox is just starting? You are judging a young Ox against the best Gerrard you can remember. Might as well judge Dom Solanke now against Ian Rush.

At 23/ 24 Steven Gerrard played 46 games, scoring 6 and assisting 1. Booked 2 times.

At 23/ 24 the Ox has just played 45 games, scored 6 and assisted 11. Booked 2 times.

So contrary to your blinkered belief, they are on a very similar level at the same age, except that Ox creates far more goals. Take those very basic stats with a pinch of salt. I don't see Ox getting to Gerrard's peak level personally, but to insinuate he is not even close and has no chance is just nonsense.

Let go of his Gerrard comments. You have no idea how he meant them. Perhaps he just wants to win European trophies, perhaps he wants to play behind the striker, or perhaps he just wants to play fir Liverpool! So stop twisting it to create a pointless argument. Who cares if he is the next Gerrard. The fact is, he is clearly at a similar level to Gerrard at the same age, and yes Gerrard's career sky rocketed and Ox's might not, but so what? He is already a decent player anyway. He created more goals than Keita last season, so draw your own conclusions from that.

09 Jul 2017 12:32:09
I don't rate Koulibaly. He is terrible on the ball and a just a stopper! I can't believe they value him at £50 mill. He is a carbon copy of Sakho! I have seen him plenty for Napoli! He was schooled for good playing high line!

09 Jul 2017 13:01:17
Maybe we need a stopper? Isn't it a bit ridiculous that we signed Matip because he can play ball, signed Lovren because he can play ball, signed Klavan because he can play ball, signed Gomez because he can play ball etc. Sakho was even pretty good on the ball. Maybe a big brute of a defender is what we need? Somebody who wants to first and foremost win the ball back, and play football after. All opinions, but I am sick of ball playing centre backs to be honest. What the hell happened to players like Vidic, Hyypia, Adams, Keown, Carragher, Terry, Carvalho, Stam etc. You know, players from the era when English teams won European trophies?

Or perhaps you think the likes of Mustafi, Stones, Vertonghen, Matip, Van Dijk etc are better because they can play?

I like the idea of having a guy who can play out from the back. Matip is quite capable. However I also think you need an all out defender next to them to compliment them. Van Dijk and Matip wouldn't work as well as Matip and Koulibaly in my opinion. Perhaps I'm wrong though.

09 Jul 2017 13:05:40
Koulibaly is an improvement on Lovren. He is a good player imo. We had a low bid rejected. I guess we might go back in.

09 Jul 2017 13:31:13
MK I can say that very easily, at the same age, Gerrard was an accomplished centre midfielder and had been a regular in that position for a couple of years competing week in week out, Oxlade has been a very average premier league winger and looked well out of his depth in centre midfield when played there, so it's impossible to compare their output in terms of goals and assists, given that Oxlade has played the majority of his time further up the pitch. What I can compare is their ability to function in the middle of the pitch, which isn't as tangible as goals and assists, Gerrard was alert to danger, could tackle, had a good range of passing, had awareness and vision as well as good long range shooting and dead ball skills, none of which Oxlade has. His Gerrard comments are out there and have to be considered, he sees himself as an all action centre midfielder, which the evidence shows that he isn't and never will be, because he lacks the intelligence and all round game and passing range to play there . The game against Bayern and the England game against France showed how out of his depth he is. If he wants to play for Liverpool, good for him, but I expect that everyone on this site wants to as well. However that's not a reason to sign him, enthusiasm will only take him so far, regrettably he doesn't have the talent to take him the rest of the way, his time at Arsenal has shown that.

As for your comments on defenders, Carvalho was very much a ball playing centre half and Hyypia and Vidic were certainly more than just lumpen header's of a ball as they could play the ball. Whereas we need some steel, Koulibaly simply isn't a footballer, and I think it would at least be good to have one of those.

09 Jul 2017 13:51:43
We do need a stopper, Koulibaly is the perfect fit.

09 Jul 2017 18:39:37
Teabag, I urge you to watch more than YouTube highlights. He's lumpen, has the turning circle of the QE2, is slow at accelerating to catch up with attacking players, he's rash in the challenge and he's terrible with the ball at his feet. He is good in the air and he's very physical and nothing more, but he's not a footballer, that's for sure.







 

 

 
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