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29 Jul 2017 12:46:03
I'm a bit shocked when I look thru this page and see all these people saying they'd have a midfield of Hendo coutinho and wiji, or can, or Keita if he had have come in. what about lallana? People seem certain he's going to be the one who's dropped next season? I wouldn't be so sure, nor would I want him to! He was arguable England's best player last year (I know that's not a lot) and our own at certain points in the season!

I know he runs his mouth to the press a bit too much and has his issues at time on the ball but his work rate and his feet and creating/ finishing chances has improved so much in one year under klopp and I can't see klopp dropping him!

Remember suarez used to work so hard in pressing and chasing down the opposition so much so that the rest of the team even the players who wudnt be so into that part of the game would all follow suit and do the exact same? I really believe lallana and firmino are the two who now do that and they are both vital in our system particularly against the better sides who try to play against us and pass thru the middle and at the back!

Anyway am I alone in thinking / hoping lallana won't be dropped more often than not?

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29 Jul 2017 12:56:17
He had half a good season. After Christmas he was anonymous. He was MOTM in the 3-0 over Middlesborough and that seemed to go to his head because after that game he was absolutely atrocious.

At Christmas he had 7 goals and 7 assists and he finished the season with 8 and 8. He got complacent and the team suffered because of it. Klopp's style was all through Lallana up to that point. Before Christmas he was the trigger to the press. Lallana would go first to initiate it and then we'd swarm them. As soon as Lallana dropped off in form, so did Liverpool.

It is for that reason why I think a lot of people want him dropped. He is one dimensional. He has to be playing in a high tempo press, but we cannot afford to build a team to play to his strengths because he picks and chooses when he wants to play well. Coutinho, Hendo and Gini can all control a game and dominate teams. None of them give up possession carelessly.

Lallana is a good squad player and on his day a match winner. If it was his day every week he'd be undroppable but his poor mentality makes him a liability at times.

29 Jul 2017 12:58:28
Not me. Lallana won't be dropped unless his performances dip. He starts the press and is integral to Klopps plans.

29 Jul 2017 13:01:30
Your not alone, I share the same views as you and often thought the same when reading posts about teams that don't include him.

29 Jul 2017 13:08:07
Totally agree Lallana is brilliant he's got such a good 1st touch and he's just full of energy.

29 Jul 2017 13:08:41
There's no doubting Lallana's skills. He's agile, very mobile, runs all day long and presses very effectively. But for me, he's a player who is probably "too creative" for Klopp's system with his constant twists and turns, which in essence slows the play down as much as Can's supposed weaknesses. Granted he's improved since Klopp arrived, but I think he still needs to be more direct in his offensive play. Maybe it's me, but he also seems a bit "lightweight" when you see how often he gets pushed off the ball, nutmegged, and passed without too much difficulty. It's not often, but I don't see the same happening with Hendo, Wijnaldum or Can.

29 Jul 2017 13:33:15
MK, that's really harsh mate blaming the teams demise after Christmas on Lallana. There was barely one player who could hold his head up for all their performances after Christmas. We completely capitulated as a team icluding the one dimensional Klopp.
Let's hope Klopp has learned to deal with a bad run better than he did last season because we went from challenging to scraping into 4th.
Yes Lallana went off the boil but maybe it was something else that caused it that we are not privy too, blaming one player is very poor form mate.

29 Jul 2017 13:38:12
People forget that llalana was used differently. In the first half of the season he was being used deeper and flourished. Post Xmas, with no mane, he was being used further up the pitch and the influence he was having from the middle of the park dissipated.

29 Jul 2017 13:45:29
MK scouser, he changed position after Christmas to cover left wing in Couts absence. For me that explains why his performance and stats dipped. The season before last he was poor on the wing and last season he was poor again when moved out into the wing.

29 Jul 2017 13:57:08
Llalana will always be a starter under Klopp.

Dont ever doubt that.

29 Jul 2017 14:01:07
Agree with mcgoveb and KK92, u can't blame lallana when coutinho and mane were missing, strikers weren't scoring, matip was out, because lallana is versatile he was used differently then and just be cos he wasn't AS effective doesn't mean it was his fault that the whole team playing below standards were down to him! Like u said MK everything good was going thru him when he was played right and in a more suited position and was surrounded by 1st choice players around him.

Glad to see plenty others agree with me tho cos I thought he was getting a hard time off some posters recently and think it would be very harsh on to bench him this season.

29 Jul 2017 14:31:47
Each to their own. I'm not blaming him for our bad form post Christmas. Just saying his drop in form was a factor or perhaps even a by-product (which would suggest he needs to be carried to an extent and only plays well when things are rosey) .

He doesn't show up at times which is why I'd have him on the fringe of the first team and make him fight for his place. Make him one of the main players and he flops. Whether it is complacency, or he cannot cope with the pressure; who knows. But he has a major mentality problem.

His position change was for a handful of games whilst Coutinho was out and before his significant drop in form. That seems like a weak excuse to me.

I really like him as a person, and won't deny he is a good player, but I think he is the weakest link in our midfield and the first who would be replaced. Not that that makes him a bad player though; our midfield is probably one of the best in Europe and the main reason why we won all of our games against the big teams. Anybody who tries to play against us just gets outplayed.

Weak mentality is not a criticism exclusive to Lallana by the way. Mignolet, Lovren, Matip, Clyne, Lallana, Origi and Sturridge are all culprits. That doesn't mean I don't rate them, it just means I am aware of their weakneses. When the going gets tough, don't look to any of those players for leadership or a good performance. Why do you think Coutinho, Can, Gini, Mane, Firmino, Henderson and even Milner are so important to us? They all show up every week and don't ever shy away from the ball, responsibility, or a tackle. Milner isn't even a good footballer, but one thing you can never accuse him of is saying away from anything on the pitch. Some players just respond better to pressure than others. We need more players who can carry pressure and less players like Lallana and Lovren going forward who buckle. They are both very good players, just lack the mental fortitude to be key components of a team to win titles.

It's only my opinion though guys. I really do think the mental side of the game is vastly underestimated though.

29 Jul 2017 14:37:28
Lallana would be so much better if he didn't hold onto the ball for so long. I mean how many Cruyff turns can you do before passing. He slows down a lot of our play.

29 Jul 2017 18:35:27
not being funny MK, but must every post of yours be a novel?

29 Jul 2017 19:14:08
Adam is to quick responses what Lallana is to quick passing!



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