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02 Aug 2017 23:08:08
RNred, you asked a question earlier. Lovren and Matip started 18 league games together last season, in those games we conceded just 13 goals (0.72 per game) . In the other 20 games we conceded 29 goals (1.45 per game) .

It suggests that, if Lovren and Matip can stay fit, they're a good enough partnership for a title challenging side.

{Ed025's Note - really???..

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02 Aug 2017 23:23:35
Maybe ed25 could put the stats up for Evertons Central defensive partnerships 😉😉.

{Ed025's Note - i dont do stats irish...i say what i see mate..

03 Aug 2017 00:15:47
After the last 3 seasons watching Lovren and you've come to the conclusion that we could win the title with him starting is just baffling. Mediocre at best, rash, constant errors and just not a good defender. Gomez is substantially better and he's coming back from a cruciate injury.

03 Aug 2017 00:30:10
Well said Sakho, he may have the occasional good game but in general nothing about him breeds confidence and if he is one of our first choice CBs then we're in trouble.

03 Aug 2017 04:14:00
Lovren seems to work best when he has a CB next to him who is an organiser. Leaves him free to smash forwards. Which might explain why he worked so well with Fonte but not with skrtel or Sakho.
Defence is very much a team effort.

02 Aug 2017 23:52:29
That's what all people who can't count say Ed025 :)

{Ed025's Note - its what people who cant be arsed counting say burkey..

03 Aug 2017 00:25:29
You should go on "Catchphrase" ed025.

03 Aug 2017 07:17:01
Ed025, you would be awesome on catchphrase 😉.

03 Aug 2017 03:07:30
Ed25, whether Lovren and Matip are good enough is up for debate, I've posted before that I'd like Lovren replaced, but the stats do suggest what I said it did. Are you not a little surprised to see how good the stats are when the two play together?

{Ed025's Note - it did surprise me putney, but as we all know stats can be misleading mate..

03 Aug 2017 07:16:35
Bit harsh I think, he's not that bad. We should definitely be trying to sign someone better, but I have no issues with Lovren being in and around the squad. He's come on a lot since Klopps come in and I think his first year has tainted a lot of people's views on here.

03 Aug 2017 07:23:03
They both have their faults but both would walk into Everton's starting 11. That's why I don't understand our fans berating of them and this furore surrounding Everton at the moment. We are talking about signing world class talent because that's the only way to improve what we already have. They are signing average players hoping to improve them. We are worlds apart in both our quality and our ambitions.

03 Aug 2017 07:31:53
The man was asked to provide stats, he did exactly that.
His statement about a title challenge is true if similar results can be achieved, that is all.
Thanks for the info Putney, appreciated and found it very interesting. Also pleasantly surprised as to how well both did together (stats wise)

03 Aug 2017 08:05:30
Lovren is a good defender. He certainly proved that elsewhere and here at times. You have to remember the system we play leaves the defence exposed to the one thing they dread. space.
Gomez is completely unproven and has had limited and shaky performances at centre half. He's young and has great potential which he hope he is allowed to fulfil, but his performance last night for example is exactly how some perceive Lovren.
I agree that Lovren/ Matip is our best partnership but they can't play every game so hopefully Gomez gets game time. If we get VVD then I'd prefer to see him get some experience on loan. Then it's up to the lad to make the loan work.

03 Aug 2017 08:43:53
Not many seem to rate Lovren on here, I don't think Matip is better but people rave about him. Not a physical enough presence, looks weak and doesn't command the defence like the great centre halves do. We not only need a very good defender but we need a leader in there, an organiser which at present we don't. I like VVD and Lovren could be a good pairing.

03 Aug 2017 09:16:59
I didn't think Gomez was too bad last night save that awful pass in the first couple of minutes. Seems to me that he started a bit shaky and people are using that as a stick to beat him with. I thought he actually had a good game and switched positions well when asked to go to right back. They had one chance in the whole game which they very luckily scored from. The move that led to the goal was down to Milner and Klavan sleeping nothing to do with Gomez.



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