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10 Aug 2017 19:13:53
Moreno looked liked a completely different player in preseason.

I reckon he will start vs Watford.

{Ed025's Note - just 2 things on that max...form is temporary and a leopard never changes its spots..

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10 Aug 2017 19:27:49
He was excellent against Bayern and good against Athletic Bilbao, but only a few days previous to the Bayern game he was his regular old self against Hertha Berlin. Lots and lots of effort, enthusiasm and running, but struggled with his positioning, made late tackles, and got roasted any time the opposition winger could get at him.

I genuinely would like to see Moreno do well, because he does break his bollocks running up and down the touchline and we could do with more players with a positive, never-quit attitude. But he's just not that good a fullback, he hasn't got the positional sense, and panics when defending 1v1. Or else Milner wouldn't have played left back all last season.

Robertson should start against Watford, imo.

10 Aug 2017 19:20:33
Lucas did .

10 Aug 2017 19:30:14
I mean not entirely true is it? Players can and do improve, I'm not saying Moreno definitely will but he is only 25.

{Ed025's Note - some people see a swallow and think its summer imred..then it starts bucketing it down..

10 Aug 2017 19:41:00
I actually posted last night I had a sneaky feeling Moreno would be left back and Milner right back against Watford. I still think it will happen.

10 Aug 2017 19:30:37
Being left out for pretty much a full season, working hard in training. Never once moaning to the press and showing a good attitude according to Ed001. Aparently top mates with Coutinho.

That deserves a second shot at it. Players can improve and with some kick up the arse from Klopp, Moreno might just turn his career around at Anfield.

At least we do not have to sit with miff Barkley mate.

{Ed025's Note - you could be right max...ooh look a flying pig!.....but your right about one thing mate, being mates with couts should make him the first name on the team sheet!!!!!!...did i really read that???..

10 Aug 2017 19:44:15
That ain't out of the question Jonesred.

Only thing is that TAA and Gomes seem to be up for the challenge and Klopp has mentioned Milner being another option in midfield.

10 Aug 2017 19:46:13
Rarely had to defend against Bayern or Bilbao to be fair. And him going forward has never been questionable so I wasn't suprised about his performances in pre season. Could still see he's rash going into challenges and you'd think once a decent winger gets at him he'll be all over the place. Tough one for me cos I like him but I really don't see him as a full back, probably at left wing back at best but we don't play 3 at the back.

10 Aug 2017 19:48:46
Was not pointing out that he would be a starter because of being good mates with Coutinho but I am pretty sure that if Moreno has shown an impeccable attitude, has bust his balls in training that the club and players around him plus Klopp want to see him succeed instead of sulking like you have had with Barkley.

Football is a team game after all. Those who want to sulk will be left behind.

{Ed025's Note - i will have the last bit max, but every player should bust a gut in pre season and in fact every time they represent their club...lets face it he is not getting in any other top ten side cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear..

10 Aug 2017 19:55:27
Jones, at the start of the summer I was expecting to see Milner at right back this season, but given that Klopp hasn't tried him there in pre-season, I think he's going to give TAA the chance instead.

10 Aug 2017 20:01:58
Nothing like showing support for your team eh? There's every chance he could improve a lot do under different managers.
Really hope you have to eat humble pie ed.

{Ed025's Note - if he improves 100% and becomes mediocre then i will gladly eat that hearty dish FJ..not very likely tough is it mate?..

10 Aug 2017 20:03:57
Moreno has every chance to turn his career around. It is not like he is 33 and needs a wheel chair to get him around.

If Moreno starts vs Watford it will show that Klopp is willing to work with him.

Ed025, Mignolet was looking like the worst GK in football but he managed to sort his head out and ended up running across a field scattered with razor sharp broken glass. moreno is more than capable of doing the same. Good attitude and hard work is bound to open doors.

Good luck with Barkely :-)

{Ed025's Note - im not defending ross max thats not my style, migs has actually done well but i expect him to return to type anytime shortly...that field he ran across scattered with broken glass...good job it was not at anfield when the team ran the length of the field and dived together after a home draw with god how embarrassing was that???.. :)

10 Aug 2017 20:08:58
Any player can play a good game. It's consistency that they should be judged on. Don't get me wrong, if Moreno can continue to show the effort to improve that the eds have said he has in training, then I would be happy to give him one more chance. Iv always said There's potential there, but it's last chance saloon time definitely.

10 Aug 2017 20:16:09
He just can't defend FACT.

10 Aug 2017 20:11:24
In other words, he's crap

{Ed025's Note - thats very harsh davey...true...but harsh..

10 Aug 2017 20:16:25
Form is temporary is Everton's club motto, no one class has ever been there.

{Ed025's Note - wash your mouth out with soap welsh..

10 Aug 2017 20:22:48
Ed025, I know your thoughts on Firmino but it is very likely that he will outscore Shrek this season.

{Ed025's Note - very possibly max, im actually an admirer of bobby but not as a centre forward mate..

10 Aug 2017 20:36:40
Ed025, Liverpool finished 4th last season While Everton finished 7th.

Enough said.

{Ed025's Note - thats whats called...stating the bleedin obvious max, google is a wonderful thing..

10 Aug 2017 20:47:05
And Everton to finish where again this season Ed025 :-)

{Ed025's Note - realistically between 6th and 8th max, bringing in so many players will take time to gel but of course im hoping for better mate..

10 Aug 2017 20:57:59
25 is not a developing youngster though. Yes players can still improve but Moreno suffers from the same problem as many fullbacks these day, he is defensively poor but he also has a habit of diving in. Considering how much pace he has that suggests both lack of confidence and a tendancy to panic. Both are things that are very difficult to get beyond when so deep and constant. He'd probably make a very handy back up winger but as a fb he has a lot of work to do. Considering the cb challenges the team can't carry shaky fbs and shaky cbs at same time.

10 Aug 2017 20:48:49
Moreno is poo. Shouldn't be anywhere near our first team.

10 Aug 2017 21:04:35
He's unreliable which makes him a weakness.

You need reliable players if you want to compete.

10 Aug 2017 21:04:51
well said welsh red.

10 Aug 2017 21:08:32
Lovely to see our fans calling our players poo.

10 Aug 2017 21:11:59
Good on ya for being realistic on where Everton could finish this season mate.

{Ed025's Note - its no use kidding yourself max, or you end up on these pages mate..

10 Aug 2017 21:47:35
You are right ed25 form is a temporary thing. So are dips in form of course. Don't think moreno is as bad as he is being painted here. Leopards do actually change their spots (too much QI) and leopards rarely play for big clubs, although one was seen shopping near Manchester and is looking for a house there. Moreno form has earned himself another chance with klopp and quite rightly so after pre season form. Arguably best player in Munich. I think the defence on a whole was a shambles last year, has been for years really. Someone needs to take control of that back line and get the communication together. Maybe then we will see the best of liverpool full backs. Also, the fb is a hard one to get right. Do you want someone who is a fantastic ball winner and tackler, great defender or do you want someone fast and forward thinking. Ideally you'd have all those things in one player but I genuinely don't think there are that many left sided ones out there.

Moreno fully deserves the stick he earned from last year's performances. He also fully deserves the praise he has eared this year.

If anything, keep him to keep Robertson on his toes. Players get better when they have to fight for their place constantly.

{Ed025's Note - i will buy a lot of that superred but for me the main attribute of a full back must be to defend, if he gets forward and slots the odd goal then great..

10 Aug 2017 22:38:14
Fair enough ed, do you think he could be converted to a winger or lm? He has a great left foot, that can't be denied and he passes well and has creativity. I agree he is pretty poor at defending. I'm guessing it is his work rate and stamina that got him labelled a fb at some point early in his career?

I bet he frustrates coaching staff as much as he frustrates us fans. IF he could defend he could be good. Dunno if that can be taught. Not sure.

{Ed025's Note - it cant really mate and hes not good enough to be a winger or midfielder, loses concentration too easily for me..

10 Aug 2017 22:42:44
If Moreno pulls out 6 months of performances then we should re-evaluate not a couple of friendlies.
I still don't trust migs and he had a couple of months if decent performances so it will take more than a couple of meaningless games to change my mind.

10 Aug 2017 23:12:51
Fair points ed25 and cobra. What pissed me off about him is we lost Milner, one of our highest earners, so he could fill in at lb. I still think Milner has loads to offer the premiership and o lot of that talent was wasted babysitting moreno last season. Like I said, it's got to be worth keeping moreno this year to offer competition for Robertson, free up Milner to play where he does best and also to have on the bench (which says it all really) to bring on a left sided attack minded player if we need a goal and time is running out.

Keep him this year as ideally we want 2 guys minimum for each slot. I would have liked to see us push for hector personally but am happy with Robertson who also looked good in pre season. And he has only just signed. There is much more to come hopefully.
Cheers ed.

11 Aug 2017 00:04:36
Moreno is poo. just because he plays for us doesn't mean he's not poo. I don't dislike him, but he's poo.

{Ed025's Note - your boosting him up there ben..



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