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10 Sep 2017 09:22:35
It's pretty obvious on here what almost all fans think about our poor centre backs. Can I ask you what you are hearing from the club regarding our very poor defense. Is it bad coaching or is it that the players aren't good enough to do what's being coached into them?

I know I keep rehashing he same thing but with no option to bring in players till the next window isn't there someone at the club saying we need a dedicated defensive coach?

{Ed001's Note - the players are just not good enough mate, which is why we are trying to replace them. They do the job in training and seem to be getting it, but on matchdays they just lose the plot. There are a number of things that have been tried, but the players are just not performing when it comes to the actual moment it matters. If they are replaced and it still isn't working, then a dedicated defensive coach would be the next step.}

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10 Sep 2017 10:27:19
Thanks mate, silk purses with sows ears so.

{Ed001's Note - exactly mate. If only it was as easy to replace centre backs as to say it. You only have to look at City to see how difficult it is right now. Even with more money to spend than any other club in world football they have not been able to recruit decent centre backs.}

10 Sep 2017 10:33:22
Players are just not good enough. Then why did the club . in buy them?

10 Sep 2017 10:44:27
Is it because defensive player scouts are less knowledgeable, there is more premium on finding the next attacking superstar or there are few very good centre backs?

Also, what about managers like Conte and Jose who still seem to be able to get the best out of not great CBs, they are tough to break down but still win titles and trophies, are they great managers or have they exceptional backroom defensive teams?

{Ed001's Note - I think it is more about very few good centre backs, especially those who can play well in a more attacking line up. Conte has Kante to protect the defence, Jose plays a very defensive system, which helps protect the defenders.}

10 Sep 2017 11:01:20
Thanks Ed hope I didn't take up too much of your time.

{Ed001's Note - no mate, it's fine. I am prevaricating anyway as there is housework I should be doing....}

10 Sep 2017 11:11:40
Clearly we need a pacey one, which is why we looked at vvd and quickly at koulibaly - can't think of many others mind! Maybe zouma of he gets fit and performs? Bailly would be my pick if anyone really, but never going to happen!
Matip really worried me yesterday, yes klavan made mistakes but it was trying to play football - matip me passing was bad, sliced it many times, and just generally was doing all the wrong things! Gomez has to be given a shot for me.

10 Sep 2017 11:20:00
I knew we were in for it when we played Klavan. He's a liability at the best of times, particularly against mobile quick forwards.

10 Sep 2017 12:01:47
I also think FBs are key - our CBs are error prone but we have also looked a lot better when Gomez has been at RB and Robertson or Milner at LB.

Not dissing TAA but he's still a young man learning his trade and Gomez is clearly more likely to handle Mendy or KDB at the top of their game. TAA should be starting against the lower PL sides where we benefit from his attacking delivery and he can learn the defensive side of the game before stepping up against the worlds best.

10 Sep 2017 11:45:33
Again you lash Klavan, Matip was the worst player on the pitch yesterday, do you watch the games or is it just a Klavan hate thing with you?

10 Sep 2017 12:07:41
But I thought klopp was only trying to replace one centr back in the summer with the VVD purchase?, plus me and my mate don't understand why doesn't he play Gomez he may make mistakes but all of them make loads now whereas Gomez is the only on earth who could improve and learn on them mistakes. Baffled why he doesn't be okay Gomez their.

10 Sep 2017 12:02:57
Following on this ed01, I understand we all want to change the defence. Moreno trains hard and well but struggles on performance, TAA is still young so we can't judge him too soon, similar to Gomez for now. But with lovren and klavan, we all agree they are not good enough, just lose there head and panick. But would you say the same about Matip? Do you rate him and think he is a good defender? Also with the VVD saga. He will be an improvement but was the intention of bringing him in and slowly moving Gomez into the centre. Pushing matip out or just general squad completition?

{Ed001's Note - Matip is a real weak link for me, defensively. Good on the ball but he is so poor at defending. The worst is that he gets caught out a lot but strolls back into position, even when he is just a couple of yards away. A sprint would get him involved again and close the gaps.

Gomez is seen as a future centre back, Matip was only a stop gap signing to give the club time to scout long term centre halves.}

10 Sep 2017 12:44:28
Klavan's problem is he's just too slow for the way we play. If we played a deeper line and the left back wasn't going awol all the time, he probably would play quite well. But we don't, and won't ever, play like that. As it is, he ends up with about twice as much space to cover as he's comfortable with, so he panics and makes basic errors. That in turn rules out any possibility of him, as the most experienced defender at the club, being a steadying influence on things.

Matip at times looks to be the only actual defender in the team, and on others he looks the most suspect of the lot, like yesterday. Lovren's similar, he's liable to put in anything from a rock solid performance to Djimi Traore at his worst. I think it's mental with the two of them. Lovren plain out doesn't concentrate all the time, and Matip seems to give up if his fellow defenders are making errors.

Most of all, none of them show any leadership or organisational skills.

Best bet at center back for us atm is Matip and Gomez.

10 Sep 2017 13:28:36
So glad you said that about Matip Ed001. I said exactly the same on here about him and I'm glad I'm not the only one!

10 Sep 2017 16:49:31
Lovren gomes.

10 Sep 2017 17:00:56
Klavan reminds me of Kvarme. He doesn't look like a footballer let alone a defender. He's not had one decent game in a red shirt and naming him is as good as giving the opposition a goal head start. He has absolutely no awareness of what's going on around him and marry that with zero pace you have a recipe for disaster. Should have been Lovren or Gomes playing, not Klavan. He's bench and league cup games only for me.

11 Sep 2017 11:21:59
If you don't have players who care about defending then you will never have a solid defence.

11 Sep 2017 11:25:58
I think a defensive coach should be the first step right now, especially if we are struggling to recruit CB's.

Maybe it's something the club should be looking to do from say the U18's up.



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