16 Sep 2017 10:10:55
All this talk of why didn't we sign a second best CB and they would be better than what we have . Yeh let's sign an okay centre back that we can slag off after a a few games because he ain't any good. That's what 90% of you guys do and us other 10% are bored of it. Boring, move on. It is what it is.
16 Sep 2017 10:30:33
No one has said sign the second best. They said sign the second choice if the first choice is unattainable. Similar to what we got in Salah and that hasn't turned out too bad. Good to see you have put yourself on a pedestal as one of 10% of fans who are better supporters than the other 90% though.
16 Sep 2017 11:26:53
Spot on, CJ. Jay, you and many others keep mentioning that we should have signed an alternative (which we tried to do with Koulibaly BUT it was not followed up) BUT none of you ever mention who that would have been, was he attainable, was LFC interested etc. People just mouth off stuff instead of trying to understand the thinking behind a decision even if you don't agree with it.
Take the LB position. Sessegnon was his first choice. It did not happen BUT Klopp knew that we needed a LB so we scouted Ghoulam and Robbo (who he already wanted last season allegedly) . Ghoalam was not the guy so he settled for Robbo who may just come out to be a good signing. What am I saying? Klopp knows what our issues are BUT he just won't buy for the sake cos if he does buy alternatives, they should be the ones he wants that fit the way we play, not just some warm body. If he does not see any alternatives out there that can do the job then, we will all have to trust him on that, good or bad.
Same with Salah as he signed him after Brandt and Keita Balde did not work out. How's Salah doing now at LFC? You may not agree with Klopp on this point and that is fine BUT you have to at ;least, try to understand his reasoning behind what he does.
16 Sep 2017 11:40:55
CJ, ok you're the best LFC fan in the world, are you happy now. Hat nonsense.
16 Sep 2017 11:48:12
🤦ðŸ»â€â™‚ Bingo you clearly have not understood my post. You have just totally contradicted yourself and used one of my points of Salah not being first choice But him working out to actually argue against me and your original point 🤦ðŸ»â€â™‚.
16 Sep 2017 11:52:35
Whose the second best Mcgoveb 😎😎😎.
16 Sep 2017 11:53:19
Few questions for you Bingo.
Are you happy with our defence?
Do you believe 14 goals conceded in 7 games is good enough to challenge for the league like you've stated we would previously?
Do you believe that VVD is the only centre half in the world better than Matip, Lovren and Klavan?
Do you think we were seriously in for Koulibaly when we offered something like 35 mill after Chelsea had a 50 mill bid already turned down.
Do you think spending over 150 mill on the attack and midfield and 17 mill on defence and keepers is reflecting well and sums up our current situation?
16 Sep 2017 12:20:34
Jay
Building a team takes time, evem Man City are finding this out.
The last window we concentracted on the mid field and up front. I think we all agree the transfer window has made us stroger in those departments.
Im sure the next few windows Klopp will concentrate on the defense, just have a little patience, Klopp has got us in the Champions league now give him time to sort out our defense. All of us know that the defense is now a problem and im sure the club are working tirelesly for the right defenders.
Rome wasnt built in a day
In Klopp I trust.
16 Sep 2017 12:40:40
Jayden
His answer is one line " Klopp is not at fault " lol 😄😄😄.
16 Sep 2017 12:51:29
Everred
Wouldn't bug your optimism mate but our midfield is ridiculously average especially center mid. Kieta would be a welcomed edition next summer but we ll loose Coutinho and Can. The circle never stop.
Cheers.
16 Sep 2017 12:55:59
Evered I do trust in Klopp mate and some of the football he has us playing is world class. But defensively we look Sunday league at times. I understand Rome wasn't built in a day but we are massively up against it this season to even get top 4 with city, Utd, Chelsea, Spurs all making good starts and let's not forget Arsenal (yes we have wrote them off but supporters also wrote Barcelona off pre season as being a spent force when Coutinho wanted to go there) . What if we have no CL football to offer next summer then when it is time to improve the defence our target window will have decreased massively. I'm not calling for Klopps head as I think he is a top coach but he is not bullet proof and football is all about fans opinions. None of our opinions actually have any effect on a football club. Hopefully 3 points today and everything will be positive again. That's how fickle football is but it's why we love it.
16 Sep 2017 13:38:46
Jayden, your questions make no sense. How many times has it been said here that good CB's are very rare hence why teams find them so hard to get cos they are expensive and their clubs don't sell? Of course, there are better CB's (Alderweireld, for example) than VVD BUT that is not the point? The point is that can we get them and will they come? Look at City, they've bought 300m worth of CB's and they are all crap and they are still crap at the back. The fact that they wanted an average CB like Evans proves my point.
In the end, it is not what I agree with or not that is the point. The point is to understand the reasons behind the decision Klopp made and that is the point. If you wanna keep moaning about the obvious then have at it cos clearly, you want to. I will moan as well as you are no more frustrated than me. The diff. is that I and many others clearly, try to look at things from a manager's point of view even if we don't agree with it. You call it absorbing Klopp of blame. The rest of us call it in-depth and critical thinking.
Things are not always as cut and dry as they seem and BTW, my point with Salah and Robbo is very accurate and correct so don't know why you think I am contradicting myself. He wanted Brandt, then Keita balde then he settled for Salah. he wanted Sessegnon, then Ghoulam then settled for Robbo. He clearly tried to get an alternative for VVD in Koulibaly and it did not come off (for whatever reason) and since no one was there after that, he kept his powder dry. These are his alternatives as the Ed's kept us all informed BUT I guess you missed that. What part of that is contradicting myself?
Klopp is building a team and while you are doing that, you have to add and subtract some pieces to get the right mix and this takes time. It took City over 1bn to get the team they have now and they are still not the finished article yet so what hope does Klopp have esp. as we don't have City-like money, dropping near half a billion every season? Read the again and this time, pay attention.
16 Sep 2017 13:43:32
Jay
I Agree, however i would not swap Klopp for any other premiership manager, he suits Liverpools passion and fight. I was so dissapointed that we could not bring in the right centre back however that's done now. Watching our defense is just nail biting especially with louvren in there. However top centre backs are few and far, I cannot see anyone around the world who is top class and available. People brandish names about and most of them are not a great improvement on what we've got. We could spend 30 mil on someone who is a slight upgrade however in the long term they will turn into another Charlie Adam or Sahko. We need to be patient and spend big on the right man/ men.
As for the other comment saying our midfied are ridiculously average! have you watched us play! we have torn top teams apart, and if Couts does leave we will have 100 mil plus and Kieta in midfield, people say such nonsense on here sometimes.
We have Couts and lallana to add to the midfield and you call them average, Wow can't beleive THAT!
16 Sep 2017 13:45:52
One week we hail our midfield as world beaters and now they are not good enough. I think we have FIVE of the best cms in the league.
16 Sep 2017 13:57:48
Bingo I stopped reading your post as soon as you said the questions didn't make sense. Clearly that told me that you were unwilling to answer them as you had no answer. You constantly say people are spouting or mouthing off when their opinion differs to yours like you are some kind of super fan. Football (soccer in your case) is all about debate and it's clear to see you ain't got a debate in you.
16 Sep 2017 14:04:20
There we go Bingo Mignolet and Milner both starting today. Let's hear your positive thoughts on them pair as I know you're willing to criticise other fans negativity whilst giving the players your patience.
16 Sep 2017 14:29:23
Jay we have conceded 13 not 14 in seven games. 13 isn't great either but we have scored 16. That means we're positive for the season and that means we are doing okay.
16 Sep 2017 14:30:54
@Jayden
I am waiting to hear from bingo on both the players. Milner in the midfield bingo, In the midfield. You ripped both Mignolet and Milner here, Now they both start lol!
16 Sep 2017 14:32:26
Superred
I would suggest you to wait till my beloved Ed01 finish his article on midfield. It will surprise you 😎😎.
16 Sep 2017 14:34:16
Everred
You have seen a lot more game than me mate! I respect it. We have completely different views on midfield and midfielders mate. But that's ok, it's induvidual opinion mate!
Cheers.
16 Sep 2017 16:13:36
Man City's crap defence fairing similar to ours against Watford Bingo.