22 Sep 2017 22:34:30
Ed001
Why is it you think coaches in football look for "players who follow instructions" when in most other sports coaching has gone completely the opposite way towards instilling constant decision making above all. Rugby Union and hockey prime examples - Drills and routine replaced by playing what is in front of you and making decisions. Rugby and hockey both changed because coaching and drills can only ever get you so far. You don't lose that much but you don't win enough when it counts either?
{Ed001's Note - because you see it constantly on the pitch, the ones getting picked each week are not the ones who are the best players but the ones who are best at following instructions. We have people like Pep, Mr. Micro-Management, lauded as the greatest coaches in the world, rather than someone like Bob Paisley, a genuine great, who did want his players to make the decisions. What we have now are coaches who think they are playing chess rather than managing. This is why everyone is on Wenger's case, as he sits and trusts his players to make the decisions during a game, rather than saying well done. Yet they get all excited about Klopp, Conte and Pep stood there constantly instructing players. Pep in particular is one, you only have to watch a coaching session of his or a match, he is constantly there demanding the players do exactly what he says. Then there is Pulis, Hodgson and Allardyce who all drill their players over and over to do exactly what they want them to do without any thought.}
23 Sep 2017 07:32:22
Graeme Souness said he pulled Joe Fagan after he'd joined Liverpool and asked I've been here a month and nobody's told me what to do. Fagan replied, we spent all that money on you and you need us to tell you how to play football.
23 Sep 2017 12:37:36
Nice one, Mungus. The coaches right now are micro-managers and even in business world, micro managing is becoming a thing of the past as many organizations (I worked for one in the banking industry and IT industry) are empowering their employees to take charge of situations cos they have been sufficiently trained on the policies and procedures. The same applies to football.
Paisley per Ed01, empowered his players to take charge of situations on the pitch as he trusted that they had been well-prepared for the game to handle situations that occur. The manager cannot do everything. This lot want to do everything and that is the problem.
23 Sep 2017 13:16:56
Isn't Ancelotti known to be more like that ed001? A figure it out yourself kinda manager?
{Ed001's Note - yes, mate.}
23 Sep 2017 13:27:06
I have to say I was quite keen on the idea of Ancelotti managing us. Don't get me wrong I still think we got the right guy, but I certainly wouldn't have been displeased with him either.
{Ed002's Note - Carlo Ancelotti would have been a good choice but he told the club that he would want to see the spine of the team (goalkeeper, centre backs etc. replaced in order to win the league whereas Klopp said he could win the league without making those significant changes - hence he got the job. Ancelotti is today complaining about the Bayern players failing to follow his instructions causing the issues against VfL Wolfsburg, although talking to an ex-player about the game this morning he blames Carlo for not adapting to the changing game - and the changing tactcs from Martin Schmid who should be credited with the work he did.
CA will likely be open to a return to the Premier League and that may well be earlier than planned.}
23 Sep 2017 15:05:13
That's interesting ed002. I knew of problems with Carlo and Bayern, and after ed001's comments about Guardiola being a control freak, it does seem a strange decision to replace him with a polar opposite manager like Carlo. I think if this Klopp situation were to turn ugly somehow, he would be a good shout. That being said, I hope we are a bit more patient with Klipperty; I don't like firing managers unless its absolutely necessary.
I take it you aren't too convinced on Ancelotti either ed002?
{Ed002's Note - Carlo Ancelotti is a really nice guy and a fine manager - but a very, very different type of manager to many.}