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23 Oct 2017 03:03:31
Sorry pressed wrong button,
Klopp is a top manager but if the eds and Reds had a choice of any manager anywhere who would the most popular choice be? That would suit LFC,

My choice would be Pochettino from Spurs but other than that Im struggling.

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23 Oct 2017 05:06:31
Problems sterm from more than just the manager, our recruitment has been poor for a number of years now, our negotiating ability was particularly poor this season as was our off field conduct. There are issues at all levels of the club and a change of manager will not necessarily fix them.

23 Oct 2017 05:18:01
I know top leaders should have some stubbornness in them but when you keep making the same mistake repeatedly expecting a different result is called insanity. Klopp has gone insane!

23 Oct 2017 05:34:07
Sadly, the only thing that will fix Liverpool is billionaire owners throwing money at world class players.

{Ed001's Note - or fans that stop EXPECTING success and just enjoy any that does come. Look at Spurs, they are all fully behind Poch, they have won nothing, bottled it at the crunch times, but there is no call to remove him. Their fans, shockingly as Spurs fans were never known for realistic expectations of their team in the past, realise that they are building and cannot expect to win the title. We had fans all summer going on about a title challenge for this season and now throwing their toys out of the pram when that ridiculous unrealistic expectation is not met. We were nowhere near a title challenge last season, City and United have spent massively, Spurs have spent big, all 3 clubs making definite strides forward (though United are still a long way off where Jose wanted them to be) while we made a mess of the transfer window. This was never going to be a title challenging season. People just need to calm down and judge things after Xmas, at the very least.}

23 Oct 2017 06:54:04
Thank **** for Ed001. Some sanity and reality. After 25 years of also rans it will take more than a couple of seasons to become challengers again.

23 Oct 2017 06:57:42
Ed001, while I agree that we shouldn't expect titles and trophies just because we support Liverpool FC, we should at least be able to expect coherent football.
I would take us building a team in a similar way Pochettino is doing at Spurs. Everything he did from his first season to now was building on the season before. You can actually see him building a team.
Klopp and LFC meanwhile are just bumbling from one mistake to another with no sign of progress. I have no expectations other than us playing good football. I could accept a loss with much more grace if it leads to the team learning and improving. But that's just not been the case so far. My heart actually sinks when I think of a midfield consisting of Henderson, Can and Milner. How can team play good foodball with that combination?

{Ed001's Note - then you should be asking about the recruitment team, not Klopp, if you say those players are the problem. Year on year they have let down our managers. Last summer Klopp was so fed up of it he took things into his own hands and managed to make a bigger mess, unfortunately. It does, however, highlight the frustration he must have had bubbling up after the mess they had been making.

The first window he wanted a centre back, nothing so he ended up taking Caulker on loan through advice from Alex Inglethorpe. But we can understand a mess there as it was January and a difficult time to conduct transfer business.

Then you look at the 16/17 window, the top priority was a left back and yet the recruitment team could not come up with a suitable option. It ended up with us having to convert Milner to play there. How does that happen?

17/18 and we still can't find a decent left back, so end up moving for a cheap option who is nothing like the finished article, that is seen as someone who can be developed. Why can the recruitment team not come up with a top class option in two seasons of searching?

It is the same with centre backs and midfielders, we are just not identifying quality at a good price. How can that be so still? FSG have installed a man to try and change things, but it seems like, as most of the things they have done, that it is a change rather than a fix, as nothing has actually improved.}

23 Oct 2017 07:43:27
Plus Ed, even if we do find the right target we then refuse to pay the asking price. Truly painful recent windows.

23 Oct 2017 08:22:38
Ed001, our recruitment has been disastrous even before Klopp came, I agree.
Since Klopp arrived both Lovren and Mignolet were given new contracts. An adequate defender was let go for off-the-field issues without replacing him. Our barely adequate DMs were let go without replacing them. A new left back was bought without having plans for the current one finalised. A new goalkeeper was bought, played and dropped because some short-sighted fans were calling for the old one to be reinstated after every error. A midfield consisting of Henderson, Can and Milner was played against one of the (if not the best) teams in the league. One of our primary goal scorers over the past 2 seasons were sent on loan and replaced with an untested youngster.
If Klopp had no say in any of the above then I truly feel bad for him. Because he's been hung out to dry.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure he had a say in it all mate and he has to live and die by the decisions he has made. However, the problem is that we have no better option out there to turn to, even if we do decide his mistakes are the problem. Changing Klopp is not going to fix 90% of the problems anyway.

The fact that he still has most of the failed team on the books has hampered any plans he wants. You only have to look at the shambles with Sakho to see how restricted that makes things. If the club sell him early on, then that releases some wage budget and cash to use on other players for starters.

The club is a mess and it is going to take time to sort out. Changing the manager is not going to fix the real problems.}

23 Oct 2017 08:40:24
Ed01, you have just introduced poison to some fans on here who think Rome was built in a day. They fail to realize that the probs in the club from top to bottom predate Klopp and this, by over two decades. But don't worry, they are looking for quick fixes and asking for billionaire owners (as if FSG are not billionaires) to come and throw money at the problems we have instead of trying to fix them closely as they are systemic.

Spurs is who we should aspire to be as their fans are elated by having a good manager like Poch who is building brick by brick even tho, they've bottled things and have won nothing under him. Yet many seem to want Klopp out cos hed did not win the PL in his first two seasons. And when the new manager comes in, he will have the same issues as well BUT the moaners on here can't seem to figure any of this out as all they seem to care about is saying "we should be challenging for the title" whereas we can all see that this team is nowhere near ready for that as the problems are there for all to see.

Therefore, Who can blame Klopp for taking probs in hin his own hands to get players cos the scouting team is pants and can't find a good LB in two windows? Not saying tapping up is good BUT what is a man left to do? H is trying his best BUT is severely hamstrung with the poor scouting resources at his disposal. Get a clue!

23 Oct 2017 08:45:37
I see what you are saying Ed, so what is the best course of action for liverpool at the moment?

We've already changed some of the backroom staff, although I can't remember who exactly, do you think there is more changes that should be made in the scouting and something like a director of football?

{Ed001's Note - we have need of a director of football to sort this out for the long term. Someone who can work to a long term plan and ensure the manager has the tools he needs.}

23 Oct 2017 08:45:50
So, have you heard anything about changes in the recruitment area Ed? Are they looking to change it? Have Klopp aired his wishes regarding this?

{Ed001's Note - we have been constantly changing the scouting etc, but it is just a case of changes, rather than fixes. I have no problem with the use of stats, but there has been too much emphasis on them. They work better for attackers and are next to useless for defenders. That is why we did well with Mane and Salah but the defenders we sign have not lived up to expectations. We need better scouts spending more time watching players.}

23 Oct 2017 08:56:15
Ed001, in no way do I want Klopp to leave. To quote someone I've read somewhere: I'm not Klopp out. I want Klopp (or FSG or whoever) to sort it out.

{Ed001's Note - sorry mate, I didn't mean to suggest you were saying that.}

23 Oct 2017 09:57:57
Good read Ed - with regards to Poch vs Klopp, just look at their back 5 (or 6 if you include the DM’s) and then our back 5 and it’s glaringly obvious the two teams cannot compete in terms of defence. I still don’t buy the idea we can spend 40mln on Ox but somehow not find a reliable senior defender anywhere in the globe in the last 18 months so I 100% agree our recruitment is at fault here.

Whether that’s the recruitment team or Klopp for not focusing on it I have no idea but I do accept your view at least Klopps tried with Matip, Karius and Robertson, but we have to do better and I can’t help but think he’s been over-optimistic about our ability to learn our way out of trouble with all his comments about ‘defending as a team’.

Hopefully this is a watershed moment for him and the side.

{Ed001's Note - he could do with making the midfield take more responsibility defensively for a bit.}

23 Oct 2017 10:23:27
Did I just read above that the people above Klopp in relation to transfers etc etc are not from a footballing background. That's like me going to a mechanic with a toothache. It's absolutely bizarre.

{Ed001's Note - it is not quite the same. I have known plenty of people from a footballing background that know nothing about the game. There are whole hosts of them in punditry!}

23 Oct 2017 11:05:20
Do you know Ed if Klopp himself has aired his frustration regarding scouting etc?
I would believe that managers want their people or atleast people they trust in theese positions.
Thanks for your replies and hard work on this site mate.

{Ed001's Note - he has been asking for changes to be made yes.}

23 Oct 2017 11:29:26
That's true Ed01. LOL.

{Ed001's Note - so do you want me to have a look at that root canal problem you have now? ;-)

23 Oct 2017 13:06:58
From some of the comments on this site sometimes I had you picked as having performed a lobotomy or two rather than root canal!

23 Oct 2017 13:37:08
Thanks ed! Really appreciate it. Have a good day mate.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate take care.}

24 Oct 2017 10:51:44
Pochettino for me too. He has built Spurs up brick by brick. He started with the defense and has now strengthened his forward line by giving the likes of Kane and Alli chances and buying adequate backups.

Klopp should have done something similar. Pochettino has assembled a team with balance. Two fantastic CBs with a CDM allowing their attack minded full backs to play higher up the pitch. They have players played in the right positions up front as well. Eriksen knows he is the creator, Alli plays just behind Kane who plays up top. These players ar specialists in their positions. Then they have Dembele who drives the ball from defense to attack and a fantastic GK very fast off his line and a commanding presence in goal. Poch has a strategy and he identified and purchased the players that would fit into it.

Now look at our team and tell me whose role is what, coz I have no clue. Firmino, Hendo played out of position and a sorry excuse of a backline that should never be playing football let alone a high line. No player has a defined role and the confusion is there for all to see.







 

 

 
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