03 Nov 2017 09:52:27
Hi eds, I was wondering if any of you knew why Klopp doesn’t rate can? Personally for me is ok, but can be slow on the ball and take too many touches and not move it quick enough.
Thanks in advance.
{Ed001's Note - there you go, you have answered your own question really. The other thing is that Klopp feels he does not run enough chasing and pressing.}
03 Nov 2017 10:08:41
I also feel we have very similar midfielders to him, where as I think Keita is more like Lallana better, quicker and more direct with and on the ball.
03 Nov 2017 10:53:28
As he's got older it's become apparent that Emre Can is caught in two minds.
He has everything needed to develop into a holding player, or a box to box player. I don't think Can, or Klopp know which though. That is a major concern for a 23 year old. The problem is he lacks defensive awareness and discipline to play a holding role and has shown no signs of wanting to learn it. Whereas in a box to box role, he can go missing and end up running about like a headless chicken.
He is still a good player. However at Liverpool he has become a utility player and i think for the good of his career, he needs to move on and find a club and manager who will pick him for one position and let him make it his own. I don't think he truly fits Klopp's style of play.
He just doesn't want to play in the deeper role, and Look at his competition for the other positions! Lallana; perfect for Klopp's gegenpress. Henderson; Captain and also a great presser. Gini; a Klopp signing who he trusts in the big games. Keita; our club record signing. Factor in that Arnold, Woodburn, Oxlade Chamberlain and Ejaria all want to play there long term as well!
What chance does Can have?
03 Nov 2017 11:19:00
And the fact he wants the same wage as Coutinho!
{Ed001's Note - wages are not the issue at all.}
03 Nov 2017 11:21:49
Ed01, Do you agree with Klopp assessment?
{Ed001's Note - only in that he is not suited to the way Klopp is looking to play, but I think you have to fit the style of play around the players.}
03 Nov 2017 11:32:02
We will regret letting him go for free.
03 Nov 2017 12:18:52
He has talent but at 23 years old still does not have a defined skill set and a lot of holes in his game, with no sight in him improving on any one particular position or style of play.
03 Nov 2017 12:34:27
Milner, lallana, hendo to me are all 3 players who over the next 2 seasons I believe will phase out of the team. Injuries and age will take a toll on these guys particularly lallana and hendo as they bust a gut but their bodies seem a bit fragile. I think that inevitably this time next year we'll be looking to reinforce the midfield again and really think it'd be a shame to lose Can.
03 Nov 2017 12:40:51
I think when can plays well, he's exceptional. There are days when he just dominates the midfield. I do think it's down to where klopp plays him and who his partner is though- which is worrying. I think he dithers on the ball when there's no options around him- always looking for the forward pass is his downfall. It's frustrating because he could be our defensive answer if he could learn a little discipline.
03 Nov 2017 13:06:08
I’ll be very sad to see him go. I think in a slower league he’ll look outstanding. At times for us you think wow that guy has got something about him, other times he looks cumbersome. Maybe we’d never see the best of him in the PL who knows, but I’m sure in Italy and international football he’s going to be outstanding.
03 Nov 2017 13:32:12
Faithinworks, the midfielders you mentioned that will be phased out over the next few years will be replaced by youngsters already at the club like Grujic and Woodburn. There won't be a midfield overhaul anytime soon.
And no point on holding onto a player who does not want to be here or Klopp does not rate.
03 Nov 2017 13:55:44
I think it’s pretty clear our midfield looks completely different with Hendo, Gini and Lallana in together vs. when we play the likes of Can or even Coutinho/ Milner in there.
The first three (especially with Firmino, Mane and Salah upfront) are natural pressing machines who swarm the opposition and have the agility, energy and read of the game to break down play and block the channels in a way that we just don’t look like doing when we have Can (lacking the same agility) and Milner (a bit headless) on the pitch. Same reason we just don’t look the same when we play Sturridge upfront IMO. Leave any half gaps and a top opposition can bypass the press and get at your back 4 and destroy you. exactly what happened at Tottenham.
Keita I think will fit exactly into Hendo/ Gini/ Lallana mould and I think Klopp is hoping to see those 4 become his blend of aggressive pressing and ball carriers on the turnover. Ox and Woodburn will probably try develop in a similar mound given time.
I really like Can too, but to Ed’s point, I don’t think he’s suited to the model which Klopp is wanting to play, which is at least partly why we’ve adapted to play a very deep midfielder and sometimes even more of a back 3 when in possession in recent weeks. For me he suits a more structured, deeper defence and probably a 4-2-3-1 where he can make use of his ability to charge forward knowing he has cover.
The problem is I think Grujic might have a similar problem unless he learns to develop into a true no.6.