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03 Nov 2017 15:11:43
Just back from hospital and greeted with the news that emre is probably leaving on a free transfer. We really are a complete mess. Anyone who does not rate emre answer me this why are teams that are substantially better than us like juventus and Bayern after Emre. He's our best midfielder, he should be starting in the 6 ahead of hendo who is way too passive on the ball. Remember when Hendo was injured, who carried the midfield to the top 4? Emre.

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03 Nov 2017 15:20:24
He is a good player mate. However if he doesn't want to be here and he doesn't suit the advanced roles in Klopp's system well enough to take us up a level, we should let him move on for our own good and fir his career, surely?

Ridiculous we could lose him on a free though. He is a £40m player in todays market!

03 Nov 2017 15:30:42
You can’t force anyone to sign a new contract if they don’t want to.

03 Nov 2017 15:59:55
Mk he should be playing in the 6 instead of hendo. He plays incisive passes, dominates the opposition and he's not afraid of being physical. With hendo in the 6 he takes no responsibility, plays it safe and the position just does not suit him.

03 Nov 2017 16:02:21
I can never decide how much I rate him when he’s good he can boss a game when poor though he is dire, if he played regularly in the number 6 role I think he could have been the answer there. Anyhow good luck to him when he does leave he’ll look good if he ends up in Serie A with bit more time on the ball.

03 Nov 2017 16:10:05
Firstly it’s hardly news, secondly Keita is his replacement and it’s a much better player.
I like Can and his ambition in particular but our midfield has been terrible this season, all of them are pretty much expendable.

03 Nov 2017 16:12:53
But he doesn't want to play in the holding role. I agree with you that he should be, but he sees himself playing further forward and what can we do about that? He doesn't press well enough so he therefore doesn't suit the way Klopp wants to play.

Great young midfielder with a massive future wherever he goes, but it's time for both parties to move on i think.

03 Nov 2017 16:14:46
Actually Sakho is boss Henderson has played more long passes and key passes than any other Liverpool midfielder so I’m not quite sure what games you are actually watching. Henderson does not play it safe.

03 Nov 2017 16:57:11
Smeg Head lay off the glue mate, your stats are wrong, also you do realise in the 6 compared to playing in the advanced midfield options it is substantially easier to play it forward as you are passing from deeper. Hendo sits in front of Matip Lovren and passes it to the full back who is marginally higher up the pitch than him. He is passive and takes no responsibility to play an incisive pass which breaks the oppositions midfield lines. Go and watch Jorginho/ diawara/ Weigl the list goes on and you’ll see how a 6 actually is supposed to play. I’d recommend you watch a different sport if you think hendo is great in the deeper midfield option.

03 Nov 2017 17:24:11
Sakho is boss, I never said Henderson was great in the deeper midfield position, you are reading what you want to read. I just said you were wrong with some of your statements which clearly have no basis, you need to calm down.
What do you mean my stats are wrong? Do you know where they came from? I can tell you where they came from, do you have any stats to back up your claim that Can plays more incisive passes than Henderson? I doubt it.
Why are you bringing Weigl, Jorginho into this conversation? This is about Can and Henderson and you trashing Henderson because you don’t think he is good enough.

03 Nov 2017 17:33:11
Sahko, I've been a true Can fan since he signed for us and I roasted BR for always playing him out of position which was not helpful to him. He has come on leaps and bounds since Klopp took over, to the point that a big and successful club like Juve want him at all costs. That said, Klopp does not see him as either a no. 6 or a no. 8 on a consistent basis and there is a good argument to be made for that.

Keita and Lallana are better in that position and will be the one (s) to take his place. I am gutted he is leaving BUT at the end of the day, there is a good argument to be made as to why Klopp does not rate him long term. I may agree or disagree with that BUT I understand both men and their stances. Two things can be right at the same time.

03 Nov 2017 17:52:38
Was only this time last year people were all over Can about how he wasn't good enough.

But let's be honest here., he was offered a contract and so far has refused to sign. What do you waht us to do, pay him 250k a week? Sorry but no and even if we did I doubt he's stay!

Sakho is clueless (both in defence and on here) Henderson by his own admission is having a slow season but don't talk crap lad.

His range of passing is far better than you make out. Again, not having the best season but he has been involved in the making of so many goals for Liverpool and wilp continue to be.

Yeah for sure he has missed forward runs and the chance to play someone in too many times this season but don't use the old bollocks comment of sideways passes stutters our play.

A midfielders role first and foremost is to win possesion and help keep it. Sideways passing is part of football. Keep possession and it gives someone further up the field a chance to make some space before playing a forward ball.

I honestly think some peoppe just like to moan for the sake of moaning.

Henderson hasn't been great at all this season. But none of our midfield have been any better than him. In fact, the whole team have been sleep walking far too much this season.

Lastly you shouldn't have been too surprised with the news of Emre. He always wanted to leave.

Listen to an interview with klopp from towards end of last season.

He said that by qualifying for the champs league doesn't just open up potential signings it also helps sway our current players to signing new deals.

The deal was offered to Emre, champs league was secured but he has decided he wants to go play elsewhere. Good luck to him but I believe we have signed a much better all round player in Naby Keit so I don't think he will be missed at all.

Time will tell I suppose.

03 Nov 2017 18:32:26
Smeg head, just to further prove my point once again. Stats from Simon Brundish on twitter, great account.
Emre Can has 3 goals, 3 assist, 3 passes proceeding an assist (hockey assist in 1159min
Rest of midfield: (not including coutinho who's played in the front 3 predominantly)
3 goals
5 assists
2 hockeys
Yet emre leaving is fine hahahah. He's our best midfielder.

03 Nov 2017 18:39:19
But if Can wants to go, and Klopp will let him go, then why o why are we not looking to sell him and get a decent fee for him .

{Ed001's Note - because we can't get a decent fee and we need him this season.}

03 Nov 2017 18:52:00
Excellent work Sakho, so I guess Can should be played further forward because he scores goals and creates goals! Oh wait isn’t that where he already plays?

{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't bother, anyone who thinks 10 games is enough of a sample size to be 'proof' of anything clearly does not understand stats at all.}

03 Nov 2017 19:02:58
Sakho i don't know what them stats prove, other than the obvious point that Can generally plays further forward than Henderson, Wijnaldum or Milner. That is his style of play. He breaks into the final third looking for goals and flicks.

No body is doubting his ability on the ball. The point is that when we don't have possession he doesn't press effectively because he isn't mobile enough. He is quick in a straight line, strong on the ball, and he is improving every week. That doesn't mean he is suited to our style of play. He also takes too many touches at times which allows opposition defences to get back into shape. That's fine if you have a big powerful team or world class, intricate footballers who can play through a low block, but we don't. We have players with pace and movement who can quickly pounce on a gap in the defence. You can't pounce quickly when Can takes 4 touches to set himself, runs 10-15 yards, cuts back and then plays a pass square 9/ 10 times. Can needs to be playing deeper so he can pick the ball up there and drive at teams. But he doesn't want to have the defensive responsibilities. We don't play with two holding midfielders though so how is that going to work?

He doesn't suit the system. Keita will press better and makes decisions much faster on the ball so it suits him better picking up possession higher up the pitch. That doesn't suit Can. Not saying he is bad. He is a great player so he has adapted to cope, but it is not his natural game and Keita will do the same job to a higher standard.

03 Nov 2017 19:22:08
Just further stats to prove my point. Bayern and juve are after him, henderson wouldn’t even come into consideration for either clubs.

{Ed001's Note - the only thing it proves is that you hate Henderson. You really are just coming across as a dick. What are you trying to prove? Right now you are just proving you know nothing about stats or how to understand them.}

03 Nov 2017 19:56:33
Can’t voice my opinion on the site unless I agree with the general consensus. Also I’ll use stats to back my point, they are correct, well researched and highlight Emre’s impact on the team.

{Ed001's Note - has anyone stopped you voicing your opinion? I can see your posts on the site, so clearly not, so what are you whining about?

Again you fail to understand the use of stats. You provided no context to them, so rendered them utterly useless. Even with context, you used them from too small a sample size, so again they are utterly useless. If you have not got the wherewithal to understand them and how to use them, it is best just not to bother. Any statistician will tell you that you need much more than 10 to rule out aberrations or blips. Any decent statistician will tell you that they are no more than a small guide if you use them over one season, let alone 10 games alone. Then there is the fact that your stats were utterly useless as they do not relate only to when Can plays the role that Henderson does. If you can't understand that then I am wasting my time talking to you as you are just wasting everyone's time with a lack of understanding.}

03 Nov 2017 20:00:28
Sakho talking like hendo never plays a forward pass. This kind of rhetoric is primate simple, unhelpful and simply just not true!

I like Can and hope it can bebe ffigured out. My thoughts are that in 2019 Can and Keita form the core of our first choice midfield. And at 25 he will be entering his prime. Unfortunately it doesn't work as simply as that and it looks like there will won't be an agreement.

03 Nov 2017 20:15:15
Think we’ll have to agree to disagree. The sample size is irrelevant, I’m using what is available currently. I respect your opinion on most players etc. Also this isn’t a Emre vs hendo discussion, this is a discussion regarding Emre compared to the other midfielders. I have a huge understanding of both stats and football so you suggesting otherwise is laughable.

03 Nov 2017 20:38:20
Unfortunately Sakho you say Can should be played as a 6 and then back this up with stats that prove that he’s is better nearer to the opposition goal.

04 Nov 2017 00:34:09
Sakho you are having a giggle mate. Can is sometimes good but sometimes awful and when he’s bad he’s really bad. Whether down to his age or not he is currently too inconsistent to say he’s our best midfielder. I like the runs he makes bursting through the lines but his passing is nothing special and he gets caught out of position a lot. Decent player but not in the starting line up when everyone is fit simply because you’re never sure exactly which Can will turn up.

04 Nov 2017 07:58:11
He is sometimes good but sometimes awful and when he's bad he's really bad? Haven't you just described all of our midfielders in that sentence Ings.

04 Nov 2017 08:34:05
Not at all. Hendo and Wiji are as consistent as it gets. You could argue whether you like them as players but you always know what you’re going to get from them.

04 Nov 2017 09:15:59
Hendo and Wiji are as consistent as it gets. 🤦🏻‍♂.



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