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08 Nov 2017 12:26:20
One for Harry if you're around (or anyone else for that matter) .

You say that we have to keep Coutinho at all costs despite him not wanting to play for us. But let me turn it around.

If he was playing for Barcelona at the moment, and had stated publicly that he didn't want to play for Liverpool, would you advocate spending £100+mill on him? Or would you want to spend that money on someone else?

Cheers in advance.

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08 Nov 2017 12:49:11
We have signed many players who forced their way out from their previous club! I am not going to judge a player based on a 3 mts video interview.
We are not in a position to loose a player of Coutinho’s caliber. The club stood firm in the summer and you lot allauded the club. I know why you feel a bit confident now! Salah is scoring goals and we have looked better. If it was for the other way around you would be pleading th club to keep him regardless of what he say! I am far too immature to ignore his undoubted quality on the pitch. Top scorer for the last two seasons.

I ll keep him until I am very sure on who we bring in as a replacement. Unfortunately I don’t think we would get anyone of his quality in January.

But I think I ll give up. The amount of stick he has taken from posters from last two weeks he deserves to go!

One injury to Salah and I lll see who you look up to! Coutinho is not a fringe player. He only improves the team not the other way around and when you sell a starter you always loose the quality.

08 Nov 2017 13:11:44
I don't think you got what I meant.

If Coutinho was playing for Barcelona and told Liverpool that he didn't want to play for Liverpool, would you spend £100+mill on him or would you walk away and say "Ok he doesn't want to play for us, let's buy someone else"

Because that's essentially the position we are in, he doesn't want to play for us and we can get £100+mill for him. So i would rather have £100mill and he be playing for Barcelona than not have £100mill and he be feigning injury for Liverpool.

08 Nov 2017 13:36:49
I understand what Harry is saying, but I think if you take our front 6 squad (players who can play midfield / up top) without coutinho we are still good on paper. obviously still better with a form coutinho but our players would still compete with most top sides in my opinion.

If sturridge and one of origi / ings/ firmino leave in the next couple windows along with coutinho a quality striker in a similar mold to firmino maybe more of a striker with similar qualities such as Jesus.

My overall point which is simply undeniable that we need to sort out the defence and I think coutinho is the player that wants out, we can recoup a huge sum and we are in a position where arguably we don't need an immediate like for like replacement and we therefore can use the money hopefully to sign the mystical top defender who sorts our problems.

I'm not sure who that player is but I can understand this way of thinking certainly. The argument being coutinho out top defender in would improve the overall capability of the team to get results.

08 Nov 2017 13:42:37
I Think the time has come to let him go now, it’s clear he isn’t happy still and his performances are not what they were. I’d even go as far as saying let him go in January if the money is right, with or without a replacement. I actually think we are just as dangerous without him and for me the front 3 of Mane, Salah and Firmino are more important for us right now. We will see Adam Lallana again very soon too and the Ox is putting in some good performances too so we certainly won’t be light on numbers.

08 Nov 2017 13:49:55
Harry, there comes a time where even world class players become detrimental to their teams. Coutinho this season, has either faked injury, or not played like he is fully committed.

It's a quarter of the way into the season and he has barely kicked a ball for us. He doesn't care. We are sitting on a £100m+ asset, and it is currently dead money.

I'd rather see him sold, and reinvest the money, than just keep him to sit in the stands. Never cut off your nose to spite your face.

08 Nov 2017 14:36:26
Coutinho is our best player, and has been good when playing this season also. don't know how people can say he plays soo poor, i guess people are just mad cuz he wants to go, so the argument that he isn't playing well is beeing thrown out so it makes it better when we again are selling our best player.

{Ed001's Note - no, it is because he has been poor this season, I think you need to go back and watch him again. The amount of times he wasted possession deep in our half was ridiculous.}

08 Nov 2017 14:52:49
Salah coming in and how he's performed has made Coutinho look bang average at best this season, he's offered nothing. Stoupid its not about been mad he's going its more mad on how he has behaved since the summer. It really makes me laugh when people say he is our best player, no chance. Mane, Salah AND Firmino are all better then he is. I wish somebody could please tell me what he's done for us this season? Nevermind backing him up, have a valid point to why your backing him up.

08 Nov 2017 15:09:57
Coutinho should leave the club before he starts affecting the atmosphere of the dressing room. I think Isco or Asensio are the best replacements.

08 Nov 2017 15:30:20
I can't believe it but I'm agreeing with Harry. We will keep him until next Summer.

I fully expect a huge public push by Barcelona in Jan. It looks like Messi isn't gona sign a new contract and so might leave next Summer so they will be leaking rumours of new signings, talks etc etc wholesale to cover themselves. To be the president/ director of football that loses Messi could lose you your job.

08 Nov 2017 16:00:46
You only have to watch the spurs game back to see how poor he’s been and to back Ed 001’s comment of loosing the ball deep in his own half!

08 Nov 2017 16:06:01
Curious ed001, do you think if he leaves that we will be a better team? It’s a strange concept, that a situation like this could cause disruption in the dressing room. Do you think that’s the case? It’s a big distraction IMO, and the sooner it’s gone the better. I’ve been clear on this since summer by the way.

I honestly think we could sneak up and have a really good season (2nd or 3rd, unless Citeh have a huge blip) .

{Ed001's Note - when a player feigns injury to avoid playing and then gets back into the team, it disrupts things. Especially whoever loses their place and his friends are going to be annoyed. If he comes back in and stars, then people will forget it and accept the decision, but when he comes back and is crap then it causes problems. He was the latter, whining, refusing to play simple passes as he just wanted to throw himself to the floor to look for free kicks, turned over possession repeatedly and played for himself. That is never a good thing. If it was Marko Arnautovic would be being fought over by the likes of Barca, Madrid, PSG etc rather than having the option to battle relegation at Stoke or battle relegation at West Ham.

Couts is a disruptive influence. Anyway, any player who feigns injury to avoid playing should be treated with the contempt they deserve. I have far more respect for Mascherano, at least he just went on strike so we knew he was a dick. Couts is trying to pretend it is all the fault of the club, when he is being an arse.}

08 Nov 2017 16:40:45
Well put Ed001 mate.

{Ed001's Note - thank you C.}

08 Nov 2017 16:43:29
If it was Marko Arnautovic would be being fought over by the likes of Barca, Madrid, PSG etc rather than having the option to battle relegation at Stoke or battle relegation at West Ham.


Sorry ed but not sure what you mean here?

{Ed001's Note - I thought it was fairly obvious I was saying that if whining, diving and giving away the ball repeatedly were a good thing than Arnautovic would not be at a struggling club.}

08 Nov 2017 18:07:12
Totally agree Ed, I've been slagged off elsewhere for wanting Coutinho gone asap, especially as he's not the player he once was (probably find it again after his move) but we just need to get a deal that is right for us, so we can use his fee to really help us!

08 Nov 2017 18:03:59
Ed is completely correct. I was one of those who said steadfastly that Cou should not be sold and it was not until Klopp was done with him and wanted rid then I backed Klopp as he decides. I was thinking he would sulk a little bit and then get his head down and do the job.

Alas, that has not happened and frankly things have gotten worse. Cou was a shambles vs Burnley, playing as if he was on the pitch on his own and only passing to Firmino and no one else. He then came back and scored some good goals and helped us beat LC on the road.

Now, it seems he has completely "mailed it in" (U. S expression for downing tools) to the point of feigning injury. I will no longer defend such shananigans and anyone who does that should be ashamed of themselves. Salah has come in and flat out replaced Cou in our system as he is a more complete player than Cou as he can play anywhere upfront including in the no. 10. He should be sold and this should be done with. end of story.

08 Nov 2017 19:56:24
Lol I actually get it now ED just needed a comma between was and MARko haha my bad.

08 Nov 2017 20:04:48
It’s a difficult one. The club stood firm in the Summer and said no, if he’s sold in Jan the owners will be seen as soft. Then there is the issue of what message does that send out to the rest of the squad. If you want to leave, spit your dummy out and throw your toys hard enoigh our of the pram and you’ll get your own way.

On the flip side you have a player that fakes injury in order not to play for the club, then plays for Brazil, again what message does that send out to the rest of the squad? Not good and I’m sure he’lll be playing for Brazil against England!

Like Ed001 said it’s disruptive and as Ed002 said, he doesn’t want to be at the club or play for LFC.

09 Nov 2017 00:04:50
the thing is that if we do keep Couts till the summer transfer window, then we will have 3 maybe 4 big clubs willing to spend big money to get him,
but till then, what do we do with him, if he is not putting the effort in .

08 Nov 2017 19:02:39
Ahh right Ed, still don't get the first sentence but your explanation clears everything haha, cheers man.

{Ed001's Note - you were right it was my fault I did miss out a comma, apologies. I was rushing and never checked my grammar. It is difficult to spot things like that when you are using a phone to edit, which is why I don't normally reply much when I am on it. I hate making errors like that, sets my teeth on edge.}

09 Nov 2017 08:41:50
Nailed it Stoupid! He has only played 4 games so far. Scored 2 and assisted 2 yet he is crap! He wants to go so they want to make him look a crap player!

09 Nov 2017 10:32:19
Thats just a lie, Suarez wanted to leave and nobody ever suggested to let him go because he is crap, no one is saying coutinho is a crap player, if you really think Coutinho has played anywhere close to his normal level then you're deluding yourself, he has been nothing but selfish and a bad influence, faking injuries and acting like a victim. Spare me the nonsense of him being world class or whatever, he simply isn't for us this season, playing for himself knowing no matter what he does Barcelona will still come for him and that he would still be picked for the Brazil national team. To think Luis Suarez is much more of a professional than Coutinho really really tells it all.

09 Nov 2017 19:45:30
The fact that Suarez was more of a professional than Cou currently, is a scathing indictment on Cou as a player and those defending him, are a complete disgracing and embarrassing themselves.







 

 

 
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