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09 Nov 2017 07:52:56
Good Morning Eds/ all - almost weekend, hope all has had a good week?

I've been thinking recently about how Firmino is underrated by so many people, am I the only one to think this?

Somebody I was speaking to the other day was rambling on about how he's average and wouldn't get into teams like City, Barcelona etc because he doesn't score enough. Can people not see what else he brings? he offers far more then just goals.

I have always rated the lad, he's special and definitely up there with Mane and Salah plus he's looking even better without Coutinho in the team!

Anyway that's my thought of the morning out there :) have a good day to all!

{Ed001's Note - I defo agree, especially when I talk to Ed025 and he does not see what the lad brings. Firmino is a quality player who is a big part of the team in so many ways. If the whole team was at his level we would be top of the league.}

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09 Nov 2017 08:06:29
Yeah we definitely would be mate. He's a very intelligent player and needs to be more appreciated. Id be more gutted him leaving before Coutinho any day, people think the sun shines out of Coutinhos arse, Firmino is the better player in my eyes and is still improving.

09 Nov 2017 08:52:36
He does remind me of Suarez a lot in the aspect of chasing everything not giving up for any ball minus the goal scoring but he brings so much to the team, I do think with Mane back you'll see go through a green patch and score a lot of goals I'm sticking by my prediction at the start of the season that he will get 20 goals in the premier league and 30 in all competitions.

09 Nov 2017 09:09:06
Apart from being skilfull, his work rate is immense. For me he is one of our most important players, his link up play at times is excellent. The one area I think he needs to improve on is his shooting.

Anyone that doesn’t rate Bobby probably hasn’t watched him live at a match.

09 Nov 2017 09:26:58
Wow. That's some statement ed.

I'd go with if firmino was at salah level we would be top of the league.

He has good moments but he is not a top top player. Dirk kuyt was a great servant but not top tier and him and firmino are like two peas in a pod.

{Ed001's Note - he is nothing like Kuyt. I loved Dirk but he was not a top class player by any means, his workrate made up for it to a degree but was never enough. Firmino is a top class player with the workrate to match.

I think you are forgetting that we have 9 other players than Firmino and Salah in the team and they are the issue not Firmino. We need better midfield and defenders, not forwards. Firmino has already got 7 goals this season in 17 games. That is not far off 1 in 2. It is better than most out and out forwards manage. I really do not understand what you are watching if you think he is like Kuyt. That is one of the most blinkered, ridiculous and frankly ignorant statements I have ever read.}

09 Nov 2017 09:56:04
Am I reading this right? Are some supporters really blind to what firmino does for our team? He's scored 7 and been involved in a lot of our other goals with assists with his passing with dragging defenders out of position plus his work is non stop. We would miss him in the squad more than most of the team.

09 Nov 2017 09:56:41
Firmino = Kurt is almost as bad as people suggesting firmino should play in center-mid cos he runs a lot and presses. anyways, firmino is greater for us. Great touch, vision and is good enough of a finisher to get by. He obviously isn't a natural finisher, which is why it's stupid to judge him with that lense.

09 Nov 2017 10:02:21
For me he is a quality player not a world class player though.
If over the next few seasons he can add more goals we would be talking world class. At the moment a decent player doing well for the team.

{Ed001's Note - I would also say quality rather than world class, though I don't mind if he doesn't score more, if he is instead creating more to reach that top bracket.}

09 Nov 2017 10:06:17
Firmino is a brilliant player. Excellent first touch and fits in with the system like a glue! He is not at the level of Coutinho.

09 Nov 2017 10:09:59
At the end of the day it's a team game I'd love it if he got us 20 league goals a season and keep up the assist side of his game.

09 Nov 2017 10:44:50
Are you been serious TopBusiness? because that post makes no sense mate I don't know how you can be serious with such a post, comparing Firmino to Kuyt, really? see this is what I'm talking about. That is just nonsense mate.

09 Nov 2017 12:02:36
Without Firmino in the team the likes of Mane, Salah and coutinho wouldn’t score anywhere near the amount of goals as they do, he’s the player who makes it all click up front.
So you can forgive him for his apparent lack of goals as he is indirectly or directly responsible for the other forwards scoring so many.
Not world class but not far off, he might not make the starting line ups of some teams but any team in the world would be lucky to have him in the squad.

09 Nov 2017 12:34:36
Firmino's good enough that I don't mind him keeping Studge out of the team (from me that's high praise) . I'm not sure he'd get a game at City or Spurs however but he's be starter at Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal.

09 Nov 2017 13:00:17
As a striker Firmino is a good player as was kuyt.

Firmino work rate does make up for his lack of other skills like kuyts did.

Absolute nonsense to think he is anything close to quality. If he was playing like this for another top team you wouldn't be that hyped to be signing him. As you would be if it was sanchez, Jesus, kane etc

You let him off with a lot because with all respect ed1 loves him and he's our player. Take him outta Liverpool and he's just another run of the mil player. Nothing special, good but that's it.

As for his goals. He smashed it last year till about November then took 4 months off. He was out scored by literally nearly every other premier league striker. Josh king, llorente, Defoe. not even the top tier players. Yet he's some quality forward. Ok.

I will never accept him as our number nine and will never be convinced we can have as much success as we crave with him up top. That being said I believe, as a number 10 he could push de bryune.

I think him behind a real forward would allow him less pressure of scoring. more opportunities to press and pass. It would allow a striker to remain further forward as firmino would do all his running for him. When coutinho goes I think we already have his replacement in robbo and we should focus every ounce of our resources of the very best striker we can muster.

Mane firmino salah

09 Nov 2017 15:38:44
I think people need to forget about numbers on backs. Kane, Jesus and Sanchez have different jobs to Firmino. Klopp's system is fluid, and Firmino does what he's asked perfectly. Perhaps he should be put back on penalties, that will get his goals tally up a bit and then everyone will be happy.

{Ed001's Note - I would give up if I was you, some people clearly know nothing about the game. If they are watching us play and can't see Firmino is quality then it is a waste of time discussing it with them. Any one who judges Firmino purely on his goal tally knows nothing about the game at all and would have done nothing but moan about Dalglish for not scoring enough, because they don't understand the game. They should stick to business.}

09 Nov 2017 17:25:37
Spot on stoneage/ ed001.

09 Nov 2017 19:32:36
TopBusiness, comparing Firmino to Kuyt is just criminal and if you actually think that then, I fear for you. Also, what a load of tosh about Firmino took 4 months off. Really? Were you asleep the whole time where he had to play out wide when Cou was injured and when Mane was at the AFCON which affected his game? You are saying he is not quality. My friend, you would not know quality if it stood in front of you if you think that.

Firmino is top notch, end of story. The things he was doing to WH defenders, was just breath-taking. A complete joy to watch. You think Klopp is stupid when he praises him after such games? He knows that there is NO Salah, Mane or Ox w/ o Firmino. NOT A CHANCE. I personally, don't care if he does not score as much cos he might as well have scored a hatful cos it is his quality, guile, intelligence, movement and unselfish workrate, that allows Mane and Salah with Ox and Cou, to score as much as they have done so their goals are might as well be his.

Who you will or will not accept as our no. 9 is irrelevant cos you see things so myopically that it's not even worth discussing things. Mertens? Great player BUT only started his good run last season. Needs to do more. And if you think Bobbie will be good in the no. 10 role then I suggest you just give up having this discussion cos clearly, you have no clue about what Firmino does for this team.

09 Nov 2017 22:20:03
Bobbys movement is really missed when he's not on. He really disgruntles centre backs and pulls them out of position. This really helps Mane and Salah are able to roam further forward.

09 Nov 2017 23:54:21
Lol everyone missed the point and started bringing what he does for us😂

the question was very very simple would he get on city Barcelona etc? Of corse NOT.

{Ed001's Note - Pep loves Firmino and that is the way he wants Aguero to play.}

10 Nov 2017 06:06:50
20 Premier league goals is a big ask from this stage! He has 3 in his first 11. To get to 20 he needs to score 17 in 27 games! I can only see him scoring 10-15 league goals but that doesn't matter to be honest. Salah is on track to score 25, Mane will get 15 at least if he stays fit, and Sturridge is on course for about 10 in the league. Add that Chambo, Lallana, Can and Gini will all get about 5 each, i have no concerns at all.

Goals aren't our problem. Firmino is doing a great job at making space for others and creating chances. We'll probably end up second top scorers to Manchester City. Maybe 3rd if Alli finds his shooting boots and Kane stays fit.

Anybody who can't see what Firmino does either doesn't watch us, or doesn't understand his role in our team. It is nothing more than a deflection away from the real issues that we have in the centre of our defence and of course, Mignolet. If those 3 position were sorted out, we'd be title contenders. Add a top holding midfielder in and I'd argue we could win the title. The problem is that those are 4 positions where there is a severe lack of quality in world football.

Nobody should be questioning our forward line. They score enough to win almost all of the games we play. Only City and United have stopped them scoring this season. You can't include Leicester in the Cup as Firmino, Mane and Salah didn't play. Mane was missing against United as well. And Mane and Salah basically missed the City game too. We keep our front 3 fit and nobody will stop us from scoring goals. Firmino is of equal importance to any of our attackers.

My only concern is that if Cavani leaves PSG after falling out with Neymar, Firmino would be perfect for them as a false 9. He'd create the space for Neymar and Mbappe to come inside and score a hat full. PSG have shown interest in the past as well. Just got to win trophies though and give Firmino an incentive to stay at Anfield!



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