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12 Nov 2017 08:12:10
It seems people are giving Coutinho a hard time and even doubting his importance to the team. I guess they have forgotten the past few seasons.

That being said I have to say Coutinho should stop with the sulking. I mean take Bale as an example. he was kept at Spurs one more season than he wanted but he still played a blinder. De Gea's move fell through at the last moment but he is still doing what he does does best.

I know Liverpool blocked Coutinho's dream move but he still really well paid and owes it to the fans and his team mates to give his 100% on the pitch.

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12 Nov 2017 08:59:11
His importance to the team has vanished mate, he's done bugger all this season and it'll only continue, he doesn't want to be here. I haven't forgot the past few seasons he's been good yes, but he hasn't carried that on has he, because he's acted like a teenage boy not getting his own way, the true Coutinho since summer has revealed himself, I never thought he'd act the way he has, it's a shame but sooner he's gone the better for me.

12 Nov 2017 09:00:06
Why would the last few seasons come into it. He wants to go and is playing terrible because of it. He's trying everything to leave. i for one haven't forgot what he's done for the club I just don't want him at Liverpool anymore.

12 Nov 2017 09:01:21
They are also ripping Emre Can since he hasn’t signed an extension. Forgotten the past. He signle handedly got us top 4 when the likes of Lovren and Klavan were sinking us! His ability is on par with David Silva, you can’t deny that! He might need some time after things happened in the summer! He still has 2 goals and 2 assists in his name in only 4 games played! I don’t know what more the kid has to do!

12 Nov 2017 09:08:00
'His ability is on par with David Silva' Denied. This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever read on here, please tell me you are joking? Coutinho the past few seasons has been good, but he's nothing on Silva.

{Ed025's Note - silva is far more consistent..

12 Nov 2017 09:23:08
You said it right there Harry the kid. he Needs to grow up and stop acting like a spoiled kid.

12 Nov 2017 09:39:02
Coutinho wouldn't be the player he is today if he stayed at Inter. He should be more respectful.

{Ed025's Note - im afraid loyalty and respect are a thing of the past Eka..

12 Nov 2017 09:41:13
Nobody is "ripping" Coutinho or Can in terms of ability.

I don't know how many times it needs explaining. We want Coutinho out because he isn't trying hard enough, and is faking injuries to avoid playing.

I'm not even sure anybody wants Can out. I certainly don't. If he signed an extension I'd be delighted because he is actually being professional and still putting in 100%. However, Can wants to leave because he can see he is being phased out by Klopp, and he wants a role with more freedom anyway.

These people are human. If they want to leave then i don't even think it morally right to deny them that. I'm allowed to leave my job whenever i want. I'll still put 100% through my notice period though, which is why Coutinho has lost everyone's respect. Can in contrast has never lied to us, and is prepared to give his all until he has seen out his contract. That is the absolute most a player can feel morally obliged to do, to be honest.

The problem is Harry, you and a select few others are living in a dream world where you think you can chain players to Anfield and expect them to want to play for us. If their heart isn't in it, let them go and sign someone whose heart is in it. It is not about ability, so stop putting words into everyone's mouths every 3 or 4 threads!

I think anybody who has watched them play will tell you they could both be world class one day. Players are transient employees though so just accept that sometimes they will leave and that clubs no longer have any power. Even if they refuse to sell, the player can just refuse to try.

12 Nov 2017 10:01:45
I've not seen one comment questioning Coutinho's ability. It's his integrity than is under scrutiny. If him and Can came out today and declared their future to the club then I for one would be delighted. You cannot challenge if you sell your best players but You can also not challenge if your best players feign injury or do not want to be at the club.

12 Nov 2017 10:33:54
"These people are human. If they want to leave then i don't even think it morally right to deny them that. I'm allowed to leave my job whenever i want. "

Coutinho wanted to leave and he was kept against his will. If you were told you couldn't leave your job would you still put in 100% MK. Just putting another view point out there for a more balanced debate.

12 Nov 2017 10:51:58
On the other hand Irish if you were ringing in sick when there is nothing wrong they would sack you. Not pay you 150k a week.

12 Nov 2017 10:57:14
He signed a contract to earn an absolute fortune knowing full well the term of that contract so you are wrong Irish. And to answer your question if I wanted to leave I would be respectful, morally obliged, grown up enough to continue to try my best. This is a joke to me and a problem with society as a whole. Petulant kids: "I want everything and I WANT IT NOW! "

12 Nov 2017 09:53:58
Well said MK/ Ed025.

12 Nov 2017 11:29:54
It's all relative Irish Rover. On £600 a week working in a factory? No way would i try if i was not allowed to leave to better myself.

However if i was earning £200,000 a week for playing football? I think my attitude might be slightly more grateful!

I take your point though. Coutinho was treated like property rather than a person. I can understand his attitude (though i wish he'd be professional like Can), even if it is a bit spoilt with all that we have given and continue to give him.

12 Nov 2017 13:52:22
All we can do is speculate and pass comments without knowing the truth.

Courts is a top class player and no doubting his talent. But his heart is not here anymore and the sooner he is gone the better for everyone.

Can has physical attributes but no real skill or intelligence and will not improve. Even if he does I don’t want LFC to be his testing ground. So wish him well and we should have already sent him. We should invest wisely on his replacement or anyone with more potential and who are in need of opportunities.

He has had plenty but has failed to progress and stagnated.


12 Nov 2017 19:35:24
Why some people are rewriting or inventing their own reality is beyond belief. Ed01 has said repeatedly that Can is not Klopp's cup of tea and Can knows that hence the reason he is leaving YET they are making stuff up about him that he is being ripped in the public cos he wants to leave, none of which is true at least not on this forum.

The same with Cou and MK nailed it perfectly BUT those reinventing an alternative reality still won't stop and the one that takes the biscuit is the one who said that Cou is world class (an opinion. NOT a fact) and is of the same level as David Silva. Now that last part, was hilarious.

13 Nov 2017 13:12:31
Irish Rover - maybe you can leave your job whenever you want. But I'm a freelancer and I sign contracts for individual workloads. If I don't want to complete the contract in theory I can leave, but I'll have to pay a pretty big penalty fee relative to the size of the contract.

Coutinho isn't a prisoner. He can always break contract, stop being paid, abide by FIFA law until he can register for a new club and pay whatever court mandated settlement is required by LFC. Maybe it will mean declaring bankruptcy (which I would have to do should I choose not to complete any contract cause I just didn't want to), it might mean that his career is over even. But he can still not show up to work at LFC anymore if he doesn't want to.

The answer is pretty simple - don't sign contracts that, baring massively unforeseen circumstances that would void the contract anyway, you aren't willing to see through. Doesn't matter what it is - could be a 200k/ w football contract or the new T&C for Spotify. Don't sign if you're not willing to make good on it. And if you feel the need to change it later, accept it will take willingness on all sides rather than your say-so and that long and sensitive negotiations will be require. While that is going on, you're still a bound by your contract and your word, and there is no excuse for not doing your job. The world doesn't always work in your favour all the time. When you accept a favourable agreement, there is always the chance of consequences. Coutinho didn't ask for less money in return for a shorter contract when he signed his latest one with LFC. Now he accepts the consequences of a longer one.



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