Liverpool Rumours Archive January 11 2018

11 Jan 2018 14:01:21
A couple of things missed in the Macca furore.

1) Matthew Virtue has joined Notts County on loan. Carra can you add him to your loan watch? I'm interested in how this goes for him. In recent years we've had Rossiter who had the ability but lacked the physicality, and Coady who had the physicality but lacked the ability. Well Virtue has both and looks far more balanced than Ejaria. I think he may be the first credible midfielder the academy has produced since Jay Spearing. Obviously Spearing never really took off with us after a couple of seasons as a first team regular, but Virtue has as much of a shot as he did. I just hope the loan goes well and he doesn't get injured. His potential is huge. He's a powerful box to box midfielder for anyone interested, who from the age of 18 has been dominating teams at u23 level. Time to see if he can do the same against players as big and ugly as he is.

2) InformaBetis (Spanish media) are reporting that we've agreed a deal in principle to sign 24 year old Danish left wing back, Riza Durmisi, from Real Betis. I believe Durmisi once played alongside Daniel Agger at Brondby, so this may have legs if Dagger has put in a good word for us! He's extremely effective going forward.

11 Jan 2018 14:15:17
If Liverpool really have signed Riza Durmisi then that means Robertson's days are numbered, and he hasn't even been at the club a year. Well see what happens, I honestly doubt we would sign a left back so soon after bringing one into the club, but much of what our club does tends to puzzle me.

If Durmisi does sign, however, then that is a clear indication that Klopp had zero interest in Andrew Robertson. Which begs the question. why even sign him in the first place?

11 Jan 2018 14:23:02
LFC mango. unless Moreno is leaving?

11 Jan 2018 14:23:21
I'll let you in on a secret MANGO. Durmisi has scored two goals this season; both against Sevilla. He saves his best performances for them.

Moreno on the other hand, is absolutely bloody useless against Sevilla. So if we have Durmisi to cover any future games against Sevilla, Moreno is no longer a liability and can play the rest of our games 😂

In all seriousness, it would be a strange one. Don't shoot the messenger though!

11 Jan 2018 14:34:05
The Spanish article says that he is Moreno replacement.

11 Jan 2018 14:43:22
Will add him to the list MK.

Loan updates returning after this weekend.

11 Jan 2018 14:28:10
Wouldn't be surprised to see Moreno leave now his best bud is gone.

11 Jan 2018 15:02:54
Klopp loves Moreno and has trusted him to be our first choice left-back this season and, to be fair, he has put in performances to show that Klopp was right in his decision. No way is Klopp getting rid of Moreno, no chance.

If anyone is being removed it would have to be Robertson, although I doubt anything will happen regarding a left back. This sounds a lot like useless paper talk, another name to add to their hundreds of players linked to us.

I suspect we will sign one player in January and nothing more. Save the cash for the summer where options may be more able to leave their club, rather than halfway through the season.

11 Jan 2018 15:47:07
Nobody touches Bobby's new dance partner, Moreno ok. Lose Moreno, lose Bobby.

11 Jan 2018 15:57:35
Come on MANGO get serious, saying Klopp Loves Moreno so much and will never sell him is just mad. Why wouldn't he sell a player if he feels someone better is out there? There are plenty better Left Backs than Moreno out there and Klopp would know that.

11 Jan 2018 16:42:45
Can’t ever recall Spearing being a regular.

11 Jan 2018 17:42:45
In 2010/ 11 Spearing made 20 appearances, and in 2011/ 12 he made 25. Spearing was used in a lot of games. Gerrard played 24 and 28 games in those 2 seasons. That's just 7 more appearances across 2 years. So if Spearing wasn't a regular, you might as well say Gerrard wasn't either?

In my opinion playing in half of your teams games makes you a regular first team player. Fair play if you disagree.

11 Jan 2018 17:52:53
Maybe Moreno was useful to klopp as pips buddy so there's no need to keep him now.

11 Jan 2018 18:03:49
One of Kent’s big mistakes was playing Spearing, especially in the Cup Fonal against Chelsea. Decent player but just not good enough for where LFC needed to go.

Pushing him because he was a local lad when he was not up to LFC standard is not the answer. Same for Coady and Flanagan too. For a local lad to break through at Anfield you have to be top quality, eg Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler, Owen and hopefully TAA.

11 Jan 2018 18:12:37
Not read all the posts but have you seen how well Coady is doing at Wolves as their captain? Certainly not lacking in ability. They're playing about the best football outside of the top 5/ 6 in this country and you could argue better than a team or 2 in the top 6 too.

11 Jan 2018 18:50:14
MK-I see he made 11 prem appearances in 2010 amd 16 the year after. Not sure how many he started but I wouldn’t class that as a regular (although more than I remember)

11 Jan 2018 19:11:13
Why does it matter what competition or whether he started? I can't help but think you're splitting hairs here mate 😂 it's not like that was even my main point. It seems like the only thing we're debating is how we both define "first team regular". For me, that doesn't mean he was a regular premier league starter, just that he was a regular for the Liverpool first team. He was nearly always in the match day squad which to me makes him a regular first team player. Anyway, we're going to go in circles!

He was the last academy midfielder to come through and play a key role in our season though. Coady, Rossiter, Brannagan, Ejaria etc all only made a handful of appearances in early cup rounds, and odd sub appearances. Spearing actually started in midfield for us in the FA cup final against Chelsea.

11 Jan 2018 19:16:16
Lucas was playing really well that season and got injured against Man City, in December. Spearing only played the 2nd half of that season because of Lucas injury. Not a regular, more of a squad player called upon.

11 Jan 2018 18:20:07
My post should have read Kenny, not Kent. Also, Bretzteke I agree with you about Coady. He is playing well now and has improved a lot. But when he was being pushed because he was local he was not good enough at the time.

11 Jan 2018 18:20:41
Is ten minutes a game a regular?

11 Jan 2018 20:08:36
Durmisi is not good enough to play for Liverpool. I am danish and i've watched him quite a lot, for Betis and the national team, where he lost his place to Jens Stryger Larsen, who is nothing but alright.

11 Jan 2018 22:37:49
can’t believe you guys are arguing over what classes as a first team regular, and to make it even funnier, Spearing 😂.

11 Jan 2018 22:54:42
People forget how bad Moreno really is.

11 Jan 2018 23:54:30
Could the mystery signing be Aguero?

{Ed033's Note - You mean Ken?

11 Jan 2018 23:58:53
Cobra, you're right to a degree, he got 20-25 games in the 10-11 and 11-12 season (11 and 16 in the league) under KK and Roy.

Adams point is that, outside of Jay Spearing, there hasn't really been a central midfielder come out of the academy since Gerrard who's had more than a handful of games for us.

Fingers crossed that Virtue can make the step up in seasons to come.

11 Jan 2018 23:39:54
Some bizarre arguments on here.

12 Jan 2018 10:28:59
Zeddicus, thank you for not nit-picking at everything i post and for using common sense to extrapolate my point without debating terminology! 😂.

11 Jan 2018 09:24:25
Hi Eds. Just wondering if there is any interest in Timo Werner? I think he could be great with Firmino.

Thanks Eds.

{Ed001's Note - yes, interest.}

11 Jan 2018 10:14:39
Werner would cost a bucket load of money (as much as Keita imo) and where would he play? Makes no sense. Fantastic player but the likes of Solanke and Ings will be throwing strops if Werner joins.
The money should be spent on our midfield first and foremost as it is weak as s**t.

11 Jan 2018 13:37:05
He's going to City mate. He likes quiet stadiums.

11 Jan 2018 11:07:44
I’d presume Werner would create a rotation and mix things up from the bench solution which Ings, still coming back from repeated injury and Solanke being inexperienced doesn’t provide. As things stand the drop from Firminho if he needs to be rested is a bit bigger than you’d like.

11 Jan 2018 07:30:03
Hey Eds, Im reading that RB Leipzig are in trouble with FFP and that we may get Nobby in Jan? Any truth?

{Ed001's Note - considering it is done over a 3 year period and they would have known exactly what their situation was for the season in the summer, it is clearly false. The only reason there is a chance for us to get him in January is because he is desperate to leave. The lad is unhappy there as the fans got on his back and it has affected his form.}

11 Jan 2018 08:15:57
It would be great if he came now. He would fill a big hole in the squad.

11 Jan 2018 08:13:13
I read that his team mates are also getting at him too, now. If that's true, and he's affecting camp morale, I'm sure a deal could be struck for this month. He seems to have a lot of baggage though, Keita. Red cards, fall outs, trying to force moves, accusations he's downed tools etc. Hopefully when he puts on a red shirt he gets it all together because he's looked fantastic at times and is still only 22, i think.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair to the lad, he was trying too hard, hence the red cards which were all reckless overeagerness, to prove he did care, after a summer of stick from fans of RBL. They do seem to have attracted the worst elements of German fandom there, but then no true football fan would follow them as they are the antithesis of what German football is about. He needs to leave for his own sake, it doesn't matter what he says or does, the fans had turned on him and now it is just a miserable time. No one plays at their best when they are unhappy mentally.}

11 Jan 2018 08:14:13
Do you think its worth us paying another huge chunk of money ed to get him early for just a dozen or so games? Seems exesive to me.

{Ed001's Note - yes, the lad needs rescuing from a horrible situation at a club that shouldn't be allowed to exist.}

11 Jan 2018 08:28:27
If he's unhappy I hoepfully we get him now, and hopefully he can rediscover his best form here - the longer he stays in a rut the harder it is to get out! I hope he's not too eager to prove himself here and ends up flying Into tackles.

11 Jan 2018 09:03:12
The blue-noses of Germany.

11 Jan 2018 09:12:57
Sorry for the ignorance but why shouldn't they be allowed to exist? Is it something Red Bull have done?

{Ed001's Note - because they are against all the rules of fan ownership that exist in Germany. They are purely a marketing tool of RB, not a genuine football club. They are the one club in Germany that is hated more than Bayern Munich. Usually you either support Bayern or hate them, but everyone hates RBL.}

11 Jan 2018 09:17:05
That’s a bit harsh Bootle! I hope we bring him in early, it’s not a good situation for anyone to drag it out and we could with him adding some threat from midfield.

If late Gini seems to have lost his ability to get forward and Milner seems everywhere but unable to hit a shot on target and Hendo is injured. Can, Keita and Lallana looks a really good balance of a midfield 3 to me.

11 Jan 2018 09:25:54
They're more like the MK Dons of German football to be honest!

11 Jan 2018 09:55:46
Getting a player early is not just "getting him to play a dozen games". It's getting him prepared better, knowing his teammates, understanding tactics and so on. Much better getting him in now, than in the summer, especially with the world cup taking a month.

11 Jan 2018 10:17:32
If that's the case with Naby Ed001, then he needs to do something drastic to make the move happen now. Going on strike, giving RBL an ultimatum to sell him etc. Whatever it takes. Its what players do anyways nowadays isn't it?
Naby should enforce the move if he is so desperate to join now. Sulking won't do the trick, giving RBL no choice but to sell will.

{Ed001's Note - I would prefer he didn't do that personally.}

11 Jan 2018 10:32:31
I wouldn't like that either but if your are desperate, that's how its done in football these days. It stinks but its reality.

11 Jan 2018 11:11:14
From the point of protecting him and the investment the club has made in him coming in the summer it would be worth taking him out of a toxic environment as soon as possible.

11 Jan 2018 11:01:28
Do we, as a club, understand the need to save him from that situation or is it not likely Ed?

{Ed001's Note - RBL do not want to do any deal.}

11 Jan 2018 11:37:11
That's a great shame for the player then really. Hopefully his confidence won't be too shot when he joins us in the summer.

11 Jan 2018 12:44:05
Is it possible to just throw a team out of the leagues? because if so that is surely coming for them one day.

11 Jan 2018 14:31:11
FSG won't spend big money on a player over 27 I doubt. That rules a few out.

11 Jan 2018 22:48:51
it’s a shame RBL won’t do any deal, like the thread above this one saying they’ll take 10mil extra for him. Could never see them accepting that but maybe now i’ve read this thread it would be wise for them to do. If nabby keeps getting shot down more by the 'fans' and his team mates and affecting squad moral, they could start performing a lot worse and lose more than that 10mil dropping places in the league.
Kinda wish I read this one before replying to the one above 😂.