Liverpool Rumours Archive June 12 2015

 

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12 Jun 2015 22:04:15
celta have agreed a deal to take aspas back to the club eds do you kno if this is a permanent deal or a loan deal

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{Ed001's Note - I believe it is permanent. Supposedly they sold him straight on. It is odd that Celta did not just buy him from us. I am guessing there must be someone at Celta Vigo they want in return.}

12 Jun 2015 22:58:18
Apologies Ed, who has bought him and where has gone from being sold?

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{Ed001's Note - Sevilla turned the loan into a permanent deal then immediately flogged him to Celta Vigo.}

13 Jun 2015 00:39:34
Perhaps because they could sell him on for more than the agreed "loan-to-buy" fee thus making a profit?

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13 Jun 2015 00:30:52
Probably want santi mina. I imagine a lot of clubs would be after that young man.

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13 Jun 2015 01:16:50
That's a weird one. Did he do a David Unsworth and declare he had made the wrong move 1 hour after the press conference.

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13 Jun 2015 05:08:49
We had agreed a deal with Sevilla earlier in the season.
Presumably Sevilla felt they couldn't get out of it so struck a deal with Celta.
I don't know what money exchanged hands though???

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13 Jun 2015 10:43:54
Didn't Aspas say there was an obligation to buy at the end of his loan, if he didn't really perform but they had to buy then this is their best outcome.

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14 Jun 2015 15:46:11
didn't Aspas say Sevilla were obligated to make the move permanent according to the loan agreement. he made an interview early on when the season ended that he was sure his move to Sevilla would permanent.

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{Ed002's Note - Sevilla paid the fee due to Liverpool and sold him right on - this was always a likely scenario - try the search engine.}

12 Jun 2015 20:46:12
Question for the eds really. Any chance realistically of hyypia as ass man? Could be a good signing. Could certainly help the defensive errors.

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{Ed001's Note - yes, he would like the role but I personally do not think he would be a good choice. I loved him as a player but he has shown nothing to suggest he is the same level of coach. The best defensive coach I know of would be George Graham and he was an attack minded player, so please stop assuming a good defender is going to be a good defensive coach. Poachers turn gamekeepers for a reason.}

12 Jun 2015 22:33:01
I heard he was more of a breast man?

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13 Jun 2015 00:50:23
Funny you say that ed1, because Rodgers was a defender. Still knows f- all about defending it seems.

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13 Jun 2015 02:21:37
am I childish because I laughed as ass man. Yes I am.

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13 Jun 2015 05:11:33
Same can be said for Guardiola & Rijkaard. Both very defensive midfield players but playvery attacking football as manager.

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13 Jun 2015 10:08:02
Billy gunn?

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13 Jun 2015 10:45:14
Yeah, saw ass man and had a chuckle. Probably best if ever to meet the great Sami, it's a question to rephrase

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12 Jun 2015 21:04:11
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new confirmed transfer entitled, Confirmed signings 2015-06-12.

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12 Jun 2015 19:28:48
Thanks for all your hard work during the silly season Eds, appreciate all your hard work.
Any news on a new coach or assistant manager?

Cheers
SA

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{Ed001's Note - not yet mate, surprisingly as I would have thought this would be sorted by now.}

12 Jun 2015 20:55:07
Brendan is taking over all 3 roles ;)

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12 Jun 2015 21:31:48
Hi guys, 1st time poster, a mate of mine got talking to Rick Parry at a gym in chester, and apparently he seems to think (and very shocked)that they haven't even drawn up a list of potential assistants. Obviously I don't know how much he still has to do with the club and whether this true, but if it is I think it's madness. Or could also be them just waiting for Brendan to leave himself. But I don't think he will if that's the case, he won't get another job as big as this.

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{Ed001's Note - Parry is now marketing himself as a football consultant but he has no longer any involvement with Liverpool. He might well be right though on this, but take what he says with a pinch of salt.}

13 Jun 2015 11:17:50
Thought that myself to be fair ed. I had thought that it could be fsg just waiting until January, for klopp, after his break and just trying to make Rogers uncomfortable, but that could be a monumental mistake and end up ruining another season, they wouldn't be that ruthless just to save the compensation would they?

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{Ed001's Note - no they are not trying to force him to resign.}

13 Jun 2015 12:40:03
They're not trying to force him to sign but are they happy with him?

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{Ed001's Note - no, that is why the coaching staff was cleared out.}

12 Jun 2015 19:34:59
Hi Ed's - awesome job you do, as always!
Encouraging to see us getting some deals done early this season. I was told from a good source & friend - the same guy told me weeks ago about Milner, Ings & Bogdan. He told me that we are looking at bringing over a young Aussie lad called Jamie Maclaren from PerthGlory. He does look handy, quick, pacey & can play anywhere accross the front line. Just wanted to throw out there what I heard.

YNWA

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12 Jun 2015 18:41:43
Just seen Jay Riley tweet something a few hours back. He is apparantly the guy with THE inside info. He appear quite often on Redmen Tv. He said that he hadheard nothing regarding Kovacic, also the main journo's never reported anything. Therefore credit to the Ed who called it that the fee has been agreed. Reports only now surfacing about the deal. Keep up the good work Eds

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12 Jun 2015 19:09:11
It has been reported that a 16.6m deal had been struck earlier in the day.

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12 Jun 2015 21:04:17
Vinny o'conner at sly sports is saying "he's been told Liverpool have no interest and are not interested in signing kovacic"
Eds?

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{Ed001's Note - he is clueless and wrong as usual. Maybe he wants to make up more lies about the Babelcopter instead?}

12 Jun 2015 21:55:28
Jay Riley is a fan and nothing more. Hr has a day job and is not even a journalist. I wouldn't put too much weight behind anything he says.

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13 Jun 2015 06:44:28
Jay Riley is an absolute ****, sorry for the French ED but he's one jumped up little bitch, dare to question him or even give you're opinion and your toast, his mate Graeme Kelly is a gentleman and does have good sources within the club.
Neil

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12 Jun 2015 16:43:18
Hey Eds!
Great job on this site!
A question: Do we still maintain an interest in Carlos Vela?
Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

12 Jun 2015 11:16:21
I loved the detail you put into your possible incoming transfers Ed002. Just wondering is it possible to get one for any outgoing deals? Or are we stuck with all them midfielders?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no time to provide any more than this right now:

Manquillo - the club may decide to pay up to return him to Spain, but I suspect he will stay.

Gerrard to Los Angeles.

I would very much expect Liverpool to sell Coates and Sunderland may be a viable option.

Brad Jones is going with his contract being cancelled and him paid off.

Glen Johnson is leaving this summer.

Lazio are showing an interest in Borini.

Sevilla would like to keep Aspas in Spain and will invoke the option to buy in his loan agreement. With them losing Gameiro this summer Aspas will get more playing time. Else they will look to sell him on for a small profit.

Alberto let himself and the club down last year and I am pretty sure he will leave this summer - there seems to be little interest in him.

Real Sociedad are keen to take Ilori on a permanent deal with Sunderland, Celtic and Hull also declaring an interest. Price needs to come down.

Sterling - the manager says he stays but I expect him to go. Manchester City are interested.

Liverpool will look to sell Balotelli in the summer but they need to reduce the price they are asking by some way. A number of clubs were approached in January but none were interested in a permanent deal at the price being asked. I suspect his representatives will focus on a return to Italy although have said how happy he is at Liverpool. Last year a sponsor tried to place him with another side once Milan were pissed at him and wanted him out - but that would no longer be an option. An alternative may be a Turkish side. Fiorentina and Inter are both open to discussing a deal for Balotelli and Sampdoria would be interested in taking him on loan, or perhaps to buy at the right price. We'll see what happens.

Two clubs, Bayern and Porto, were at the recent game at Stamford Bridge looking at Coutinho - but it has ended there as far as I know.}

12 Jun 2015 16:49:52
Incredible work there eds, thanks.


Clearing the decks.
I just hope it all materialize, it should be positive for the club and hopefully the youngsters get an opportunity, however little.

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12 Jun 2015 17:28:39
Thanks Ed002, great insight as usual.

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12 Jun 2015 19:33:21
Aspas has now been sold to Celta Vigo by Sevilla

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13 Jun 2015 01:39:43
Thanks for that Ed002. It was more than adequate. Great stuff.

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13 Jun 2015 11:51:03
"Coutinho was watched at Stamford Bridge by scouts from Porto."

And, in other news, Messi was watched by scouts from Liverpool.

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12 Jun 2015 13:59:19
Hi Eds,

Thanks as always for all the hard work you do!

A quick question though. Assuming that Sterling will indeed be leaving this summer. Have we, or anyone else, shown any interest in Timo Werner?

Any response would be greatly appreciated!

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{Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware we have shown no interest in him. As for any other interest, that would be best dealt with on the Eurosoccer pages mate.}

12 Jun 2015 10:28:42
Eds, any further info on Aubameyang???
I think he could be a really good fit for us and not cost a fortune but unsure of his availability???
Thanks

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{Ed001's Note - he would want Champions League.}

12 Jun 2015 11:58:23
Ed, now that Dortmund don't have any Euro football would he "settle" for Europa league?? Would it be a case of CL or nothing?
Thanks

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{Ed001's Note - it really depends on what offers are on the table. We have not shown any interest so the question is a bit pointless really.}

12 Jun 2015 12:38:11
He can have CL football the following season, top 4 here we come! BOGDAN,!!

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12 Jun 2015 12:52:00
He is happy to move to Milan, who doesn't have CL, so every chance he could come if we look to bring him in.

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{Ed001's Note - but Milan are selling the hope of future CL qualification, we are selling a club in 'transition' without a coaching staff set up that makes sense.}

12 Jun 2015 13:46:49
This is a depressing scenario. Talk about a club just treading water for the last 20 years.

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12 Jun 2015 19:15:11
Ed001 - I understood from previous posts that we were interested in him. Has that interest now gone?

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{Ed001's Note - shelved rather than gone. Once the Kovacic deal has been finalised then maybe we will revisit the idea, hopefully, but it is impossible to say now.}

12 Jun 2015 19:41:56
Aubameyang creates so much space for himself and others with his pace. A constant worry for oppositions. Back that up with service from Coutinho, Lallana and Kovacic and we've got ourselves a pretty serious looking attack.

I'm a massive Dortmund fan and his movement is really intelligent and because of his pace it is very difficult for opposition to defend with a high line which in turn would suit our pressing game to a tee. Pace and power is so important in modern english football. I'm getting excited about next season :D

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12 Jun 2015 10:01:07
Morning eds.

Reports are linking us with Falcoe (I know) apparently he will reject playing CL football to play on Thursday nights with Liverpool. Considering he was a flop at United and his outrageous wage demands, do you know if these reports have some legs.

I can't see it myself and tried the search function.

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{Ed001's Note - there is little chance of anything happening with us, the reports are purely wild speculation.}

12 Jun 2015 11:10:18
The reports might have better legs than Falcao himself. 😉

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12 Jun 2015 12:26:07
I've just text mate to see if the falcoe rumours are truth and he said yes there actually thinking about it, crikey!

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12 Jun 2015 10:19:48
Hi eds I also like to add can you see us pulling any marquee signings off this summer someone like Falcao, higuain or tevez

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{Ed001's Note - no.}

12 Jun 2015 10:17:43
Hi eds, can you see us making a bid for cabaye could be ideal replacement for Lucas if he was to leave. When do you expect kovacic deal to go through.
Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - we have not shown any interest, but Brendan does seem to be collecting midfielders like he has a few stickers missing from his Panini album, so maybe we will turn our attention to yet another attack minded midfielder with no defensive qualities whatsoever to add to the other 45.}

12 Jun 2015 12:55:21
Kovacic? Don´t hold your breath.

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12 Jun 2015 09:57:15
Bogdan deal confirmed
#LOL

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12 Jun 2015 10:09:27
Couldn't we have signed a number one instead and put Mignolet on the bench?

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12 Jun 2015 10:26:56
Why the lol? Bogdan has been a consistent player for bolton, costs nothing, still young, better than jones! No brainer really!

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12 Jun 2015 12:04:27
Adam, first of all what keeper that's better than Mignolet would come to us? second, if we bought someone better than him, how do we know that mignolet would stay? He could easily leave and we'd be left with the same situation of no good back ups

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{Ed001's Note - Begovic?}

12 Jun 2015 12:23:01
I'll support the lad, but the club has gone for value over quality once again. Mignolet is just not good enough.

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12 Jun 2015 12:25:53
"How do we know that Mignolet would stay?" - Believe me, I would be prepared to take that risk!

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12 Jun 2015 17:11:11
Mignolet was good the back end of last season and decent the year before. He might not be the best in the world but i think we have much bigger problems in the squad to deal with and bogdan is a good back up in my eyes especially getting him on a free

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12 Jun 2015 20:41:31
Any chance of mignolet leaving, more wishful then anything.

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13 Jun 2015 19:58:23
Begovic for Mignolet + 5 million sounds about right

(slight sarcasm)

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12 Jun 2015 09:09:36
Hey eds have we agreed a deal with Inter for Kovacic?

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{Ed002's Note - There is an agreement over the fee and additional bonuses but nothing finalised according to agent - who is very surprised at Liverpool - but I won't go in to detail about what he has said. The deal should go thru.}

12 Jun 2015 09:38:27
Ed2 thanks once again for your cracking info. Can I ask is it a good or bad suprise without going into too much detail?

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{Ed001's Note - it is not good mate, but the deal is pretty much done.}

12 Jun 2015 09:54:32
I don't know why he is surprised ed002, nothing surprises me about this club anymore.

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12 Jun 2015 10:08:42
If his agent didn't want him to join its good to see a player do what they want instead of what the money grabbing agents wants.

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{Ed001's Note - that was not the issue, not all agents are Aidy Ward.}

12 Jun 2015 10:11:25
Come on then ed.

you can't leave us dangling

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12 Jun 2015 10:13:36
Surely if Kovacic is coming in along with Milner somebody from central midfield is being moved on? anything eds?

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{Ed001's Note - there are still offers on the table for Lucas.....}

12 Jun 2015 10:23:48
Who cares what his agent has said????? They are the scum of the earth! Why the constant digs at everything liverpool do ed002?

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{Ed001's Note - you are making yourself look an idiot as you don't know his agent. You should be embarrassed over the way the club have dealt with this once again, not digging at someone you don't even know. Ignorance is bliss so you must be happy as Larry. People like you are embarrassing, Liverpool is turning into a laughing stock and the digs are coming because of the way it is handling itself, while you are utterly oblivious and try and defend the indefensible from an ignorant standpoint. This club was run into the ground by Moores, who is the scum of the earth, and it still has no idea how to conduct itselt professionally.}

12 Jun 2015 10:26:25
If Lucas goes we'll actually have no proper DM. Is Rodgers actually blind? Eds do ye know if the club ensures Brendan gets his eyes tested once a year, I think he may have missed his last appointment or two!

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{Ed001's Note - he gets a full medical package as part of his contract, but his eyes are clearly being dazzled by his teeth as some of his comments after games demonstrated. There is no way he actually watched them.}

12 Jun 2015 10:39:37
Another strange signing for mine, I don't get it. we have an over abundance of CM's and offers on the table for Lucas, our only DM. i'm left scratching my head. i'm guessing it will be a season shoehorning a CM into the DM role. I can see Can in the DM role, though i'm not sure its suits his skill set.

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12 Jun 2015 10:45:22
On a positive note though perhaps Can will have his chance as DM in midfield with both Allen and Milner capable of providing backup in this position with rotation.

Reading between the lines Eds, the negative aspect of this potential deal is that Lucas was persuaded to stay in Jan and is now being moved on. Is it possible that he's still open to a move rather than the club doing the dirty on him?

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{Ed001's Note - it is more that Brendan doesn't rate him and wants to replace him.}

12 Jun 2015 10:53:46
Rodgers want to get rid of all the players bought by previous managers. Once mission accomplished, then he will leave. Then we start again with REBUILDING. This is the only building work which has never come to an end.
kit

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12 Jun 2015 10:54:09
Eds, when you're talking about Liverpool's unprofessional conduct in negotiations, do you mean the lowballing and dithering?

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{Ed001's Note - there is more to it than that, but that is certainly involved.}

12 Jun 2015 11:07:18
Is kovacic open to a move then? I read earlier that he said he was 100% committed to inter.

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{Ed001's Note - yes.}

12 Jun 2015 11:08:56
I agree Lucas is somewhat underrated - I feel the difference he makes is exaggerated by the poor defensive coaching though. Good news about Can (hopefully) moving into midfield, I feel he'll offer a great deal there, he has good defensive qualities despite having a tough time at RB (Lucas would struggle there as well) and offers more going forward. If only the new backroom appointments are aimed at solving the back line issues, here's hoping.

Thanks for the reply Ed.

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12 Jun 2015 11:12:28
Does Can even see himself as a DM? He's more box to box like hendo in my eyes. I wouldn't let him playing in CB and being physically big make you think he somehow has defensive minded qualities. I think he will be restrained there. If Lucas goes he's our only option though.

I'm going to go ahead and stick my nose where it don't belong and question you even further Eds! When you say the Kovacic situation isn't good, please say we haven't spent 30m?

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{Ed001's Note - it is nothing to do with the price.}

12 Jun 2015 11:21:14
Tell us already :(

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12 Jun 2015 11:24:07
Is low balling considered unprofessional? I would assume that is what any business person would do to test the waters?

It's funny though because you don't hear much about how clubs are run besides sites like this so most people are oblivious to these things. I'm sure the city of Liverpool knows what's going on but other than that.

Just wondering Eds, are there legal reasons to why you cannot fully explain stuff such as the above Kovacic situation? If so, then I'll actually stop pestering you lot >.

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{Ed001's Note - it is a lot more than lowballing though, there is lowballing and then there is taking the mickey. It is not legal reasons, just no point getting into it, the subject will just draw in the bells who think they have to jump to the defence of the club no matter what and have no grasp on reality.}

12 Jun 2015 11:37:17
Please note, this is completely from my imagination based on what I've read in recent weeks -
Nikky Vuksan will be angry at LFC because we seem to have ignored traditional routes. We never spoke to him or his client but went straight to Inter and Mancini in order to move the deal forward. Vuksan didn't even want his client to leave Inter but there has been some tension between him and Mancini - particularly with reference to Mancini (according to Vuksan) not knowing how to play Kovacic. and we might have utilised that to our own benefit whilst also knowing that Mancini and Inter are interested in two of our players.

There is little surprise that our club is fast making a name for itself. unfortunately that name is one of moral turpitude. FSG showed this themselves over Suarez with John Henry boasting to the business community not long afterwards about how legally useless contracts were in the EPL. Our club then proceeded to leak information about Sterling not signing and then pretended to take the morally high ground when Aidy Ward stepped in (it was badly done but actually we were the spark that lit the flame that caused the fire). Now, I agree with Ed001 that this has been developing since Moores but at the moment we appear to be the metaphorical 'headless chickens' running around in a yard whilst trying to bully the laughing foxes.

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12 Jun 2015 11:43:44
Haha fair enough, I understand. I can live with low balling. But I can imagine the types of things you are talking about which would be considered "taking the mickey".

I guess I'll keep the conversation going, if you'll do me the pleasure. Do you feel FSGs heart in the right place concerning the club? I know they're not Hicks and Gillett but it does hurt knowing the way the club is conducting its business.

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{Ed001's Note - the problem is the attitude they are displaying. I believe they want to succeed but they are going about it by trying to bulldozer their way to success.}

12 Jun 2015 11:46:29
Hi Ed, first time poster but long time reader.

I just wanted to point out that it's difficult for people to know the whole truth if you don't share it. I'm certainly not defending the club nor am I oblivious to the way we conduct business. It would be helpful for those of us not ITK if you told us what you know.

Thanks

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{Ed001's Note - that is as may be, but there are reasons behind why we don't give out some pieces of info.}

12 Jun 2015 11:47:17
Great info ed as always. Another attacking midfielder ? This is embarrassing. some of these days we might just start addressing the problem areas in our squad eds?

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{Ed001's Note - if only.}

12 Jun 2015 11:49:56
Appreciate that you don't want to get into the details of what the agent has said. But if you could shed a little more light on it would appreciate your insight. I see this as something Liverpool have to address, whether we like it or not agents are part of the modern game and we have to deal with them. If were getting transfers wrong eventually less of our targets will join. Enough of the midfielders we have a number of options already and yet there are other obvious areas where quality additions could make a real difference CB and ST spring to mind. On a positive note we do seem to be getting our business done early, Milner, Ings and Bogdan although not necessarily star signings will improve the squad and Kovacic could be a great signing IMO.

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12 Jun 2015 11:56:09
Ed001 - I know you won't tell us what exactly is happening and I understand why. But could you at least tell us: is it Ayre who's responsible? I am often left to wonder, when things like this have come out over the last few years, whether Ayre is the cause or a symptom.

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{Ed001's Note - it is the club as a whole, Ayre is a symptom.}

12 Jun 2015 12:07:14
So Ed, if these guys in the club are paid 'professionals'. then why can't they get anything like recruitment right?! It bewilders me that some fans on the internet actually seem to have more idea than those in the club. It's obvious to everyone for example that we need a DM, yet the 'pros' in the club paid to know such things. don't actually know it. Mind boggling, considering football is a simple game.

My trust in FSG has begun to wane a little bit. I've appreciated what they've done for the club commercially, and certainly what they did to save the club, but they seem to get next to nothing right in the football department. Is their lack of football background perhaps a massive issue?

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{Ed001's Note - I think we just employ the wrong people. I do feel that the club is suffering as a whole partially because of their lack of a footballing background, but partially because those that do have a footballing background are still full of the arrogance of the 80s domination. They still think we are better than everyone else and it has not sunk in that no one is better than any other. There is a lack of respect shown to other clubs which stems from that arrogance. Similar to the way Real Madrid act, but instead of just swanning in and taking who we want by paying whatever it takes, we act like we are doing clubs a favour and so they should sell them to us for less than they want.}

12 Jun 2015 12:10:34
Mentioned on here that Lucas out as a replacement is being looked at, Joe Allen can play that role. A replacement coming in and maybe a youngster being promoted to the 1st team?
I'm not a big Brendan fan. Even with Suarez there was obvious signs we needed to tighten up in other areas.
I know we need a big squad

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12 Jun 2015 12:23:08
Fiorentina were also very displeased at Liverpool a few years ago over what they called "a broken promise " regarding aquilani, sadly is not something exclusive to these owners but as the ed says it's the club as a whole.

It actually put Fiorentina off giving lucas a new home a year ago.

It's a shame we cannot conduct things properly because the things that players have said about us (potential ones from Italy anyway) have been very positive. People in charge though are not fond of doing business with us.

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12 Jun 2015 12:27:43
Yeah, and it seems that we employ the wrong people because FSG have little footballing background, and ultimately have a lesser idea of what's best- despite their advisors.

Do you see LFC returning to glory under FSG? Because I'm genuinely not sure if I do. Compared to clubs like Chelsea in the way we operate, we pale in comparison.

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{Ed001's Note - I think they have shown a complete lack of leadership and so no, I really can not see a return to glory, no matter what is spent.}

12 Jun 2015 12:34:49
Whilst I agree with Ed1 on his views at the moment and fully respect his knowledge and opinions I had to laugh at the point that we often offer less than we should. Considering we paid horrible amounts for the likes of Lovren, Lallana, Carroll, downing etc etc we paid well over the odds.

I'm just completely disillusioned by everything with our club at the moment. We move from one disaster to another with minimum effort and no sign of acknowledgment or desire to improve matters.

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12 Jun 2015 12:45:23
Cheers for that ed001, not sure that was deserved but hey! If you or any other ed give information of a player close to joining followed by a negative comment that you don't care to emphasise on, why write it at all? Us fans don't see behind the scenes like you guys, clearly we are oblivious to what goes on behind closed doors! Just don't see the need for the constant liverpool bashing if you can't release any more information on the matter, to give us fans a better understanding!

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{Ed001's Note - so unless we can give you all the details we should say nothing? Are you being serious? We give the information we can but now you want us to just give nothing? Only there is never going to be a situation when every minute detail is going to be given out to you, so let's not bother then shall we? I really don't think you have thought it through at all, you are just being a bit petty because you aren't getting everything you want.}

12 Jun 2015 12:46:46
I don't know if this has been done to death or not, or if it's a stupid question, but would they ever look to sell in the near future?

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{Ed001's Note - there has been no mention of it, but there are people who think they would sell for the right price.}

12 Jun 2015 12:54:06
I'm gutted at potentially losing Lucas (should be Allen IMO as offers little other than a terrier in midfield - not enough for a top 4 side) but to be fair a midfield of Milner/Hendo/Kovacic/Can/Coutinho/Llalana looks pretty useful to me and far better than what we had this season + plenty of scope to improve further.

I agree I don't think Kovacic should have been a priority with Striker and FB positions weaker than midfield, but Kovacic is a shrewd signing provided we can move on Lucas and Allen in near future at reasonable prices to fund improvements elsewhere.

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12 Jun 2015 12:55:20
Eds without being disparaging, I sort of know the way transfers in American Football work with drafts etc, but do you think that having American owners has affected the way that we have done our business transactions. Are they doing what they would normally do if it were an American sport such as baseball or hockey? I may be way off the mark. It's just sad to see Liverpool making themselves into a laughing stock.

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{Ed001's Note - in baseball they own a team considered to be one of the top sides, so they can just steamroller sides. There is only one league to worry about, so being in the top couple of MLB sides makes you one of the biggest in the world. This is a totally different situation, there are multiple leagues with multiple teams that are huge. You can't just bully your way to the top, even when you have Citeh's money. As Man City have accepted, you have to work with the other clubs showing them respect to get anywhere. FSG haven't seemed to have grasped the reality that we, despite our huge worldwide fanbase, are not in a position to bully the big Italian and Spanish sides. They don't like English clubs anyway, they see them as a threat due to the money available in the Prem, so you need to treat them with respect and earn theirs in return. You don't earn respect by messing people around.}

12 Jun 2015 13:06:34
Lol ! Looks like some daily Fail,S*N,Sly,Goal,Mirror reporters & journalists are lurking here to investigate the truth behind the scene from EDs !

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12 Jun 2015 13:10:35
Hey eds - just wanted to thank you for the transfer snippet, always appreciated!
Personally, I do not know how to react - I rate Kovacic highly, but niot sure we needed him that much. I am afraid we will ease him in as we did with Lazar - badly. Still, if he works out like little Cou, inter fans will hate us forever - after each of his howlers I enjoy reading one of Inter's forums, they really appreciate Cou there!

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12 Jun 2015 13:14:55
Let's be honest, they surely would sell.
Their top men are based in Boston, their prime business is baseball and the company is named after the Red Sox' ground for gods sake, and they are naive at best I think on many aspects of English football and its culture.
This is not being xenophobic or laying the blame at their door solely ; it started under a local owner after all.
But they show no sign of getting to grips with the nuts and bolts of the football side of things - taking the right advice, putting in place strategy and systems, recruitment etc.
Their attention is largely on the commercial aspect, selling the club and chasing the dollar. I cannot blame them for that, as that side of business needs to be taken care of in the modern game.

To be fair to them also, I think there is a real discord / disconnect between the 'traditional' support (Scousers / older fans) becoming apparent in the transition that they are trying to bring about - the selling of the club, ground, atmosphere to new supporters or even one-off visitors, the introduction of corporate facilities whilst the average fan is being priced out or excluded. Chelsea and Arsenal have done that to a large extent I think, but there is so much more money and a greater population base that they have gotten away with it. I'm not sure that Liverpool could do the same. At some point, in the not too far off, things will tip at Liverpool and many people will be alienated. I know that a European Super League may be the future, but I want no part of it. That's the type of issue that they will never get to grips with. They're trying to be all things to all people.

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12 Jun 2015 13:16:58
My limited understanding of the situation is that the editors give us the information they can, without putting themselves into any jeopardy,
Can't you all just be pleased they have been able to break the story to us in the first?

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12 Jun 2015 13:20:49
We are in deep trouble with everything the Ed has shared with us. We are a complete mess and the American way unfortunately, is to just throw money at probs in the hope that they will just go away. The probs we have are those money can`t fix. Also, Kova coming in is another pointless signing which makes NO sense at all. We BR has spent well over 200m YET our defence is a shambles and we are still tootheless in attack BUT we are collecting mids like a Kim Kardashian collects selfies. When are we going to address the real issues with the squad and the club`s deep rooted issues? We are spending the way Chelsea and City were doing with NOTHING to show for it and many on here are just ignoring this blatant fact all in the name of "support the club no matter what" or "stay positive". NONSENSE! God help us because with the kind of leadership or lack thereof, we will be come a perrenial midtable team.

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12 Jun 2015 13:39:02
I only poke my nose so far! I tried to ask what their specific job title was once. got the cold shoulder haha. Worth the try. But Eds maybe I was just trying to get an apprenticeship? Taking anyone on?

I love the interaction though. Ed002 is easily the most sarcastic person I've never met - its fun to watch.

Anyway Ed001, serious question. I asked previously but it slipped through the net. Why hasn't there been official statementof the sacking of Marsh and Pascoe?

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{Ed001's Note - I thought I did reply to this? Maybe you missed it mate? Anyway, they are always slow with these confirmations, every time someone goes the speculation is rife around the net for ages before the club get round to confirming it.}

12 Jun 2015 13:39:49
The sad thing is that our 'bulldozing' through the use of crap such as lowballing has got us absolutely nowhere. Did it stop us from paying around 20m for Markovic? 25m for Lallana? 15m for Allen?

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12 Jun 2015 13:44:48
Redohio, you've been posting for months tearing into Rodgers but saying things like "FSG will not tolerate failure / they did X, Y and Z in baseball" etc etc. People were trying to say to you that the issues go deeper than just the manager.
When the new television / streaming markets mature in the Far East and USA, FSG will cash in and be off back to their baseball mate.

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12 Jun 2015 14:02:48
Hi eds

Thanks for the input. Best we don't know the petty things that are disruptive. However we do know that there are "BAD" things going on behind the scenes.

Lets just hope that the player comes in and be a success and not let these things effect him.

YNWA-SA

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12 Jun 2015 16:17:27
Eds
i just want to say thank you so much for being as candid as you have been on this thread. I have genuinely always been perplexed as to what that imperceptible and intangible factor has always been that has seemed to make transfer dealings regarding this club so much more strained and tenuous than, seemingly, what occurs with other clubs.

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12 Jun 2015 16:54:26
Agree with South Aussie Red, and thank the Ed's as its good to understand why we seem to fail so regularly with transfers. Personally I would love it if Ed001 were to be proved wrong about us not returning to glory due to lack of leadership. But we seem to be a club that's constantly is a state of transition, and have owners who don't fully understand the game and team we love.

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12 Jun 2015 19:23:19
Cheers for the info eds. Keep up the good work

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12 Jun 2015 22:43:48
Juicer, I was wrong and I admit it hence, the furor you feel in my comments. I thought the owners were diff but now, I know they and BR are all the same.

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12 Jun 2015 22:51:55
If we pull this deal off, I will be very excited as I think this guy is a class act and at such a young age for central midfielder. My fingers are firmly crossed Ed001 on your comment, but understand to not get excited until it is confirmed. Thanks to all for info.

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13 Jun 2015 01:19:07
Is there any way to find out what the agent has said online Ed apart from here where I understand why you wouldn't want to say it. This kind of stuff interests me as I do business and a module based around negotiations in college.

Cheers

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{Ed001's Note - no, it was not said publicly.}

14 Jun 2015 15:00:30
Very disheartened to hear LFC is being run like this. Although it is hardly a surprise, given the fiascoes we have had to stomach in recent years.

I'm just surprised people who have been so successful in VERY competitive arenas such as hedge funds, television, and major league baseball, are making such a pig's year of running LFC.

Up til now I was glad we were run by "proper" businessmen rather than oil and gas oligarchs from dodgy countries.

But I am rapidly losing faith. Perhaps 2017 and a change of ownership is our best bet?

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12 Jun 2015 04:12:05
Ed2 with the city bid sterlings going at last i hope this summer. Once he's gone do you believe we will turn to cheryshev/ntep/jese like you mentioned.

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{Ed002's Note - I see two as options but Ntep has drifted away I would think. Some minor changes in their situations: Real Madrid have had a few approaches from clubs interested in taking winger Denis Cheryshev on loan or permanently this summer with Kuban Krasnodar and Real Sociedad both requesting a price. Previous interest from Everton went with David Moyes. Zenit and Metalist Kharkiv dropped whatever interest they had. As for Liverpool, he may well be an option to replace Raheem Sterling if he were to leave, but I am certain there has been no bid at this time. Villareal and CSKA Moscow are showing an interest in the player.

Stade Rennais' Paul Georges Ntep has been of interest to Stoke, Monaco, QPR, Bordeaux and Montpellier. Marseille, Liverpool, Saint-Étienne, Chelsea, Arsenal, Lille and Manchester City are known to have watched the player this season.  But only Stoke has made a firm offer and a recent approach by Monaco was rebuffed by the player himself who wants a year more at Rennes to ensure that when he moves it will be for first team football - very sensible.

Jese Rodriguez is again going to seek assurances about playing time that I am sure Real Madrid will not agree to. On the basis of this he has said he may be forced to leave the club. Completely recovered from his crutiate injury Lazio, Inter, Milan and Bayer Leverkusen have made clear their interest in signing the player and Aston Villa, Napoli, Malaga, West Ham United and Everton have all shown an interest in taking him on loan - which may be more palatable to Real Madrid as they are moving in to a potentially difficult period regarding transfers (with a possible ban looming). Interest from Chelsea is dependent upon what happens elsewhere with interest in players. Chelsea may look to him again if interest in others goes nowhere - but no bid from Chelsea at this time. Napoli's interest will likely leave with the manager in the summer. Liverpool showed interest in the player in the past and if Sterling were to leave, it is possible it may return.}

12 Jun 2015 10:00:15
Ed002, you said, I think, Real would possibly look for a buy back clause in the contract with a possible Jese Rodriguez suitor, if we went in for him would it be negotiable to not have such a clause? Or would this make him cost more?

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{Ed002's Note - He would certainly less with such a clause but there are a lot of "ifs" in your question.}

12 Jun 2015 17:40:29
I suppose so Ed002, thanks for the reply.

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12 Jun 2015 06:47:14
Morning Eds

It must be very likely we will sell Raheem this window else run the risk of him leaving for next to nothing January like youve explained. Do you no if we are interested any Citeh players that might be used in the deal?

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{Ed001's Note - not that I am aware of, though there might be someone in their youth system we might like, I haven't heard of any.}

12 Jun 2015 09:38:36
Personally I think we should have accepted the bid.
Ed does the Webster ruling affect any compensation owed to LFC and potentially QPR as he's under the required age? Also if not I'm assuming we would be looking at a record amount of compensation, I think the highest received so far was £6.5m for stride when he went to Chelsea from city? Maybe that's why the club are holding out? Any thoughts?
Many thanks as always!

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{Ed001's Note - I believe that it would affect compensation, sadly not in our favour.}

 
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