Liverpool Rumours Archive May 14 2017

 

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14 May 2017 20:49:11
Ed is Luan being looked at as a Striker or an alternative to Brandt? Also the fact he wasnt on the latest Sharkopod does this mean we have moved on from someone else?

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{Ed002's Note - I suspect you can put aside Azmoun and Dembele now.}

14 May 2017 21:17:42
Ed Do you Rate Luan?

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{Ed002's Note - I reall don't like "rating" players Adam.

14 May 2017 21:32:32
Are our interest in Luan serious ed?

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{Ed002's Note - There is certainly interest.}

14 May 2017 22:23:33
Cheers ed mate!

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

14 May 2017 22:31:11
Cheers for reply ed. Would of liked Dembele. Happy with the players were linked with including Robertson. Thanks again mate.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

14 May 2017 23:18:51
Do you see dembele staying at Celtic.

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{Ed002's Note - Not necessarily.}

15 May 2017 13:11:55
Have we moved on because of his playing demands ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Neither player wants the move - Azmoun because he would be on the bench and I would think Dembele the same.}

14 May 2017 16:52:21
Question for ed001, we all saw the difference with sturridge in the team today and I know how much you appreciate him being at the club but listening to Carraghers commentary it seemed that sturridge was definitely being sold, has there already been a decision made?

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{Ed001's Note - not that I am aware of, we would have to receive an offer to consider first.}

14 May 2017 17:13:01
In my mind our situation doesn't change regardless of whether he stays or goes. He need another proper striker of the same Calibre as Sturridge or better to either take his place or cover for his injuries. Was happy to see him play today and your right OPR the difference with his movement was clear to see. As much as I like Origi he's got a bit to go to reach that level.

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14 May 2017 18:38:01
Honestly, I'd let Origi go at the end of the season and replace him. We'd get dcenet money for him and as much as he's a lovely guy, we need better up front.

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14 May 2017 19:09:33
Origi is still young and yet to reach his prime, he needs time to mature. On to Sturridge, today just shows how frustrating it is to have a player of his ability have those fitness issues! He looked hungry and IF he could stay fit it would save us a lot of money. If he's 100% fit he should play. Yes he doesn't fit klopps style, the press, but we've not pressed teams this side of Xmas like we were anyway so a fit Sturridge will fit right in.

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14 May 2017 19:39:38
So welsh red what's the solution then?

DS won't stay fit so no point pretending he will.

Origi MAY come good yes, but we need someone now - not in 2/ 3 years.

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14 May 2017 20:12:47
I've always said sturridge is one of the best strikers in the league when 100%, the trouble is his injury record is shocking and his head is in the clouds.

We need players to dig deep and stay fit unfortunately I don't think we can rely onsturridge.

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14 May 2017 21:18:59
It's obvious origi needs to play in a two up front until he's got more experience.

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14 May 2017 21:27:08
Origi is an ok forward that is it you can see class from an early age, and he will never be good enough to be the clubs first or second striker, I to would let him go. as for Sturridge he will be with us till his contract runs out because no one who he would leave for will come in for him with his injury record. but we do need a 20 goal a season man.

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14 May 2017 21:58:59
Spot on grino.

Mbappe is smashing is. Rashford. Dembele. Ali. Age is juzt a bollox excuse.

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14 May 2017 22:04:34
For me if we have Ings, sturridge, firmino and origi then that is our stock. We only buy if we sell someone. It would make zero sense adding a 5th striker to that group as glorified injury cover.

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14 May 2017 22:08:34
I don't know, I'm as puzzled as you! I don't get paid to make these decisions either (unfortunately) but I wouldn't give up on Origi quite yet, I agree we need someone more prolific to lead the line but he still deserves a place in our squad.

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14 May 2017 22:10:59
I would keep Sturbridge and sell Inga and origi, then go all out for a 40-50m striker and have studge as backup and give youth a chance like.

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15 May 2017 10:10:34
Surely origi is worth a squad place and see if he improves at Liverpool rather than sell him, absolutely no patients with fans.

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{Ed025's Note - you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear mate..

15 May 2017 10:29:44
He'd probably play every week for a midtable team, don't think he'll ever be a regular starter but he can be useful for cups and as a sub.

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15 May 2017 16:18:03
Was Studge the difference yesterday? Not for me. I think it was more a case of replacing Lucas with Lallana gave us more movement and creativity in midfield. Add to that Couts playing deeper we actually had a threat coming from deep and midfielders willing to run beyond the strikers pulling their centre backs about.

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15 May 2017 18:53:08
What. Peiple believe sturridge was th3 difference

Coutinho absolutely ran the show ans got a few goals aswel if i remembet. Him in the middle was the difference.

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16 May 2017 03:46:34
Origi has spent half his time on rhe pitch out wide, receiving and holding up the ball for others to make runs to create angles to pass to .

If in the summer we are getting quality wide players who will put a quality cross in early.

I think then we will see origi kick on.

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14 May 2017 12:24:32
What's happening redmen. what's the update on Firmino is he injured today?

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14 May 2017 12:48:31
Not travelled with squad.

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14 May 2017 19:12:31
Firming Had an appointment in the private dentist booked in at 3pm for a bleach session so couldn't make it. My mrs' sisters Mother works on reception there and text me to tell me.

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14 May 2017 19:12:54
Firmino not Firming.

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14 May 2017 11:48:50
So Luan, Robertson and Kjaer today then?

I like Robertson and have been suggesting him since January so happy there. I have only seen clips of Luan so I'll reserve judgement (as the clips were underwhelming to say the least) . However I really hope Kjaer rumours are fabricated. He is an okay player, but I don't believe he is an upgrade on Lovren or Matip.

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14 May 2017 11:53:51
We are not signing a CB this summer according to the Eds. Kjaer is a completely fabricated rumor by desperate papers. Luan also pretty sure won't happen. Robertson probably will be the LB we sign.

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14 May 2017 16:50:25
Whata the point in getting hMions league if qe sign robertson. Not even good ebough for hull.

Nees a better lb than that.

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{Ed002's Note - If Gomez were to leave then Liverpool will look to add a centre back. Robertson is a player that Liverpool are looking to buy. Simon Kjaer is likely heading to the South of France (if an issuette can be resolved). Luan is of interest but his ownership needs untangling.}

14 May 2017 17:42:01
Thanks Ed2. Without yours and Ed1's knowledge we'd all almost certainly be lost. ☺.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Nick.}

14 May 2017 18:33:27
Shame. No lb fix then.

How are yoy going to improve when you buy players like that.

Listen i know support and don't trash but he's just not good enough in any sense of the word.

The money city and united will spend his summer will see them add aboht 150 mil of quality each. Chelsea and arsenal. Totteham i don't know about with the new stadium.

But we have to buy better than that.

Ed001 has done notbing buy rave avout sessegnon and tierney. Celtic and fulham, they are very attainable.

Robertson has to be one of the last choicea rather leave it.

You all will have a go at me but this is why we have never won the premier league. Simple. Signing no better than what's in the team or academy.

Should only wver sign better than what you have.

Robertson better than gomez, milner or even moreno at lb? Nopes.

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14 May 2017 18:44:51
If Luan is the same Luan as played for Brazil at the Olympics, he's a lively kid with some ability. But no idea what he's been up to in the past year and of course, Olympics football isn't a joke but it's not the Premier League.

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14 May 2017 19:16:20
Not all players cost 100 million mind. sometimes you need to spot something in a player and have some balls to take the gamble.

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14 May 2017 20:01:35
Buying part of a defence that shipped in 67 goals so far this season is certainly a gamble, especially when his stats are far worse than Milner and he's only been ok. I just don't see the positives in Robinson. Average defending, average attacking ability. If that's the best we can do then God help us. We need quality not another Klavan.

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14 May 2017 20:07:09
Robertson was subbed today in hulls biggest game of the season at half time after getting roasted, if this is true it's utterly embarrassing.

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14 May 2017 20:26:26
LI've we did with Deli Alli 😀.

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14 May 2017 20:49:52
Like pennant, babel, bellamy, johnson, skrtel, voronin, aspas, alberto, ballotelli, poulsen, konchesky, dossena, adam, diouf, diao, jovanovic, cheyrou, pongolle, cole, traore, cissokho, sahin, ngog, borini, xavier, nunez, allen, kyriarkos, lambert, markovic, moreno, insua, kromkamp, josemi, barragan, el zhar, klavan, degen, assaidi, yesil, manquillo, bogdan, jones, merieles, benteke, downing, carroll, enrique (ANOTHER LB), coates,

A few next henrys and gerrards in there.

6 lbs

Atleast 8 of them signed after qualifying for the champions leage the year before and finishing 2nd

No premier leages for us after.

I guarentee i could search all those namea on here and archives permitted the post will be "going to be world class" "drop x player he's better" "sell him we have our replacement anyway".

There all run of the mill players ans that's how you stay a run of the mill team.

Yoy have to buy the best to be the best or atleast better than what you have.

Itz about raising expectation in the club. Alaba should be the target and why not, aim for an a and youll get a b. Aim for a c and well, no premier league tropheys tells you.

Hate not every player costs millions, well atleast 80% do and they get you titles and trophys.
You only say that to justify signing bad players.

Btw bellamy was a hit his second time around.

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14 May 2017 22:24:02
Is there any chance we could buy be looking to buy two left backs this summer? Robertson might make an ok backup but I'd be disappointed to see him brought in as first choice.

This would mean Moreno leaving, of course.

Robertson against the likes of Messi, Dybala etc in the Champions League could be very embarrassing.

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13 May 2017 17:05:15
Hi Eds,
Seeing post from brazilian news outlets that Gremio has accepted an official bid from Liverpool for around £23m which was handed to Gremio on May 6th and there president has just accepted? Any truth to this?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea and it would be a lot to pay for part of the palyer.}

14 May 2017 11:13:20
It does seem to be too much of a hassle too sort a deal out with his ownership issues.

What does the club have to do to sort it out the right way? Do they have to buy out the third party first or how does it work?

Cheers,

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{Ed002's Note - You need to find someone to negotiate the purchase of the remaining rights from the third parties and his agent.}

14 May 2017 11:37:29
Does that include Gremio in this case, buying him out from the third party before being able too sort out a deal with us?

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{Ed002's Note - I don't understand the question, sorry.}

14 May 2017 16:17:40
Ed I know you will probably scoff at this question, but please excuse my ignorance - please take into consideration this is completely hypothetical.
Say the player is owned 70-30 by club and third party. Someone buys the 70 off the club. As they own the majority, can he legally play for them, or do they have to buy the 30 too? I guess as third party is not allowed here, yes, but what happens if you pay say 20 for the 70 and the third party owners won't negotiate?

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{Ed002's Note - The question is fine. If a player is owned 70 by a club and 30 percent by third parties he can only play for a new club in countries where third party ownership is allowed. If he were to look to a move to one of the countries where third party ownership is not permitted, then he could not be registered to play for the new club. If the third party owners were not open to negotiating a price for the rights they own, then again the player could not make the move to a country like England.

FIFA have outlawed third party ownership although legally they are on questionable ground in Europe with courts refusing to ratify the rules in Belgium and Portugal. Portugal allows third party ownership as do the South American countries.

It means clubs need to negotiate with third parties (often agents, businessmen or sports investment companies for the transfer of players. The likes of Kia Joorabchian, Pini Zahavi and Jorge Mendes (vis his company GestiFute) all dabble in third party ownership. Some European clubs have third party stakes in South American players - Chelsea for example.

There is also a slightly sinister and unusual issue (and something that the football authorities would like to end) in relation to a low-tier Uruguayan club. It is embroiled in an investment company called the Stellar Group who financially control Deportivo Maldonado, a Uruguayan side with no real facilities and a small fan base. They legally hold (or have held) the rights to a number of players who are high profile (Jonathan Calleri, Alex Sandro and Pablo Osvaldo all come to mind) and were "purchased" and then sold on at a significant profit to the London-based investment company and the agent who deals with most of these players, Gustavo Arribas, who is also the Director General of the Argentinian Intelligence Agency. Manchester City would liked to have purchased Geronimo Rulli outright but only 70% of his rights were for sale he could not therefore play in England. To overcome this, Manchester City have sold their portion of his ownership and Deportivo Maldonado have sold part of their portion of his ownership (in reality Stellar's and Arribas' portion) to Real Sociedad and then agreed to sell the remaining 30% over a three year period to Real Sociedad to overcome Spanish rules regarding part ownership. Manchester City for their part in facilitating this has and agreement that they can buy the goalkeeper for something like €15m once he is fully owned by Real Sociedad (or for a cost of €15M plus a negoiated fee for the remaining rights). As with any buy back clause, they would need to any higher offer made by another side in the future. Rulli would not be eligible for a UK work permit but I understand that he will seek a European passport. That would be seen by the UK as a passport of convenience and would not help him. The player knew that if he moved to Manchester City he would have to be loaned out and eventually probably sold. Like Calleri, none of this is illegal but perhaps it should be - it is well beyond the third party ownership that is rife in South America. Deportivo Maldonado is a effectively a shell for Stellar and Arribas to exploit Uruguayan tax laws.}

14 May 2017 17:02:43
Now that's an answer, thanks ed!
I presume that company no longer hold calleri's rights as he played today?

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{Ed002's Note - Calleri is on loan from Deportivo Maldonado - the ownership of which is largely London-based.}

13 May 2017 14:23:33
Ed i've read through posts regarding this luan geezer from Gremio. Nothing really said though if we have clear interest? Youve explained his ownership situation which seems complicated and who watched him during the olympics but interested if we are actually looking to sign him please?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are interested.}

14 May 2017 12:05:33
Looks like Sturridge's replacement. Hopefully it does not come at the expense of signing a proper winger. The fee does seem too high for someone from the Brazilian league and in the last year of his contract though.

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14 May 2017 12:39:46
One for ed2 I guess. Is the 3rd party ownership still a problem if the player is out of contract?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

14 May 2017 13:31:40
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the fee isn't high he won't get a work permit.

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{Ed002's Note - Fee and wages need to meet the criteria for a Work Permit.}

13 May 2017 13:05:29
Hey edds hope your all well, do u know if we have any interest in a player called Mahmoud trezeguet, Iv tried the search engine mate. many thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - A few months ago his agent said there was interest.}

14 May 2017 10:16:57
Apparently, Liverpool have had an offer of £26m accepted by Brazilian outfit Gremio for their striker Luan Guilherme de Jesus Vieira.

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14 May 2017 08:54:56
What's the plan for Markovic Ed? Spose his Anfield days are over? Are Hull likely to make a permanent offer? Also, was wondering whether you think we should've kept him with Mane away at AfCon and now out? Might've give us the width on the right we been so lacking.

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{Ed001's Note - he is available for transfer and had no interest in coming back to be cover for Mane.}

14 May 2017 09:02:49
Hull will not be able to afford Markovic unless we pass him on to them for free and he accepts a much, much lower wage.

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{Ed025's Note - with the sky money they will max, even the smaller clubs will be spending big this summer and lazar is well within their budget mate..

14 May 2017 09:24:08
If Hull were to be relegated they will still get a decent cut. Playing in the Championship has no place for Markovic within their wage budget.

Staying up, I cannot see Markovic agreeing to move their permanently.

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14 May 2017 09:22:12
Even for a championship club?

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{Ed025's Note - yes craig, with the parachute payments they will still have plenty of dosh to spend mate, and the likes of markovic will not break the bank as there is not much interest from elsewhere..

14 May 2017 09:41:14
In my head I'm thinking about a fee around 10m (could be well wide of the mark) . That would be within their budget I'm sure but it would be a large chunk I'm not sure they would want to part with.
I could be wrong but I don't see him joining Hull if they go down.

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{Ed025's Note - hull are a very ambitious club craig and have very good financial backing in place, your take on the fee seems about right to me and that is well within their parameters mate..

14 May 2017 05:50:37
Is it true we have signed Robertson? Bit of a bummer imo. Never really stood out for me in the Hull side but hope Klopp knows what he is doing.

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14 May 2017 08:36:36
Whether it is true or not, Robertson is one of Hull's best players. Surely will be an upgrade on Moreno? Might not be the player everyone wants but he will have the opportunity to prove that he is capable of wearing the shirt. At the end of the day, we need a LB. Whether Roberston is the answer is yet to be seen but no point in shooting him down if he has not even kicked a ball for LFC.

Our signings should be based on bringing in players who are better than what we currently have and not singing the next player to make him our next highest earner.

If Robertson does join then good for the lad. As long as he wears the shirt with pride and gives it his all for the club on and off the pitch. That is what we require from our players. Nothing more, nothing less.

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{Ed025's Note - some really good positive stuff from you today max...you must have got your conkers last night mate.. :)

14 May 2017 08:52:56
Ed025, there is nothing wrong with being negative, as long as there is substance to it.

This is our biggest match of the season. 3 points dropped today and whatever we do vs Boro will unlikely have any relevance.

Now we have people moaning about a 23 year old Scot we might have signed. What is wrong with our fans?

In Liverpool’s eighteen title winning seasons, there has always been a Scot in the team :-)

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{Ed025's Note - some will always look on the bleak side max and maybe thats how they vent their personal frustrations, for me liverpool have had a good season and are on the verge of completing what im sure was the original goal of getting in the top 4 mate..

14 May 2017 09:14:44
Where is the robertson news coming from? Any truth? If he is coming let's get behind him!

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14 May 2017 09:19:02
He's a descent young player with room for improvement, if he had an exotic name or came from another league abroad people would get excited about the possibility. Give the guy a chance and get behind him if he signs!

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14 May 2017 09:09:16
max

I have to admit that I have seen Robertson play, but in my eyes its not just about bringing in players who are better than what we have, as getting someone better than Moreno is hardly a hard thing to do.

Bringing in players just because they are better than what we have has been our problem for years.

What we should be aiming for is bringing in players who are gong to take us to the next level and challenge for the league title and also players that will cope with the champions league (all being well) .

Is Robertson that sort of player?

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{Ed025's Note - liverpool are not in the financial position to buy all "worldies" lavers, sometimes you have to take a punt on a few so called lesser lights who you hope fit into the system, the likes of dele alli and VVD have stepped up to the mark and there are plenty more out there who can do the same, add to that the odd youth player who can come through and for me thats the way forward, its also the liverpool way which has brought them great success in the past mate..

14 May 2017 09:52:01
Ed

I'm not stupid enough to think that we can go out and spend 80-90 mil on every single player we buy, but to me our defence is our main problem area and i think that is where most of money this summer should be spent.

I'd rather sort the defence out first before looking for more attacking players.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree with that lavers but i also see a goalscorer as a priority mate, liverpool create a lot of chances and they are not being put away..

14 May 2017 10:14:32
Am I missing something here? We're already signing players although the transfer window isn't open yet?
Is this some sort of pre-signing agreement or has silly season already kicked off?

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{Ed025's Note - there are such things as pre-contract agreements flash but i dont believe this is the case here, but inquiries can be made outside the windows mate..

14 May 2017 10:03:25
Who is VVD? I'm having a mind blank.

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{Ed001's Note - Virgil van Dijk.}

14 May 2017 10:56:53
Lavers, when have we brought in players better than what we had in transfer windows going back?

I do not believe there are even a handful that can be mentioned. Our problem has been signing players at ridiculous fees and wages and replacing what we have with either overpriced or high wage players.

Like I said, Robertson will not be the fan favourite when it comes to signings if it had to be true but surely cannot be worse than Moreno who is struggling to make the bench.

Klopp has done one thing right, each player he has signed permanently so far bar Grujic due to injuries have had a more than decent amount of playing time in the first team this season whereas previously we would sign a players paying way over the odds for them and other instances send them on loan or see them leaving without hardly kicking a ball for us.

If Robertson does join then so be it. In my humble opinion he will be an upgrade on what we currently have available and will not be taking a massive chunk out of the club finances. Having Milner at LB who now clearly has been a stopgap as one of your highest earners is the reason why Liverpool have continuously failed in the transfer market. That is why signing someone like Van Dijk will be yet another unforgettable act of gross negligence.

No more expensive and mind boggling mistakes, we cannot afford to be gung ho in the market anymore and if we want to start building a squad capable of achieving success then their needs to be sustainability.

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14 May 2017 11:48:58
Max

Like you said Robertson can't be worse than Moreno who can't make the bench.

Just IMO for a problem area of the team where we have had a midfielder play all season we need to aim a little higher than that.

Your right we do pay stupid amounts on players but the selling team know we are desperate so they up there price.

We need to aim for players with winning mentalities that can push us up a level.

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13 May 2017 23:35:42
Hi Eds, is Ryan Sessegnon still an option or has a move for him away from Fulham out of the cards. Obviously with someone who has not proven his worth at the top level is dodgy, in the past we were linked with Tom Ince, Wilfred Zaha and even Will Hughes. Zaha is coming into his own at the moment, but I don't see Sessegnon as a upgrade since he is unproven. I know someone is going to throw Delli Alli out there, but he is more the exception.

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{Ed001's Note - Sessegnon is nothing like those others. I don't understand why you brought up three totally unrelated players to compare with him. He is a quality player but it is now looking like we have missed our chance to sign him sadly. At least for now.}

14 May 2017 05:36:22
Cheers Ed001, unfortunately State side we do not get many Championship games and YouTube is not the best judge of quality. I referred the other three because they were billed as upcoming talent from the Championship and were linked with us, whether that was true or not.

Hopefully Ricardo Perreira is more of a possibility, since he can play both full back positions. We get Portuguese games for some reason.

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{Ed001's Note - there is quite a large Portugese-derived population in some parts of the US, so that is probably why they show the games.

Sessegnon is going to be top class, I think.}

14 May 2017 07:43:47
What's the reason we have missed out on Sessegnon?

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14 May 2017 08:57:13
how many times have we heard that we've missed our 1st choice target . we have to face it we are not as appealing as the teams above us which is where he will end up making the gap between them and us even bigger. how are we going to challenge for the title if we can't attract the best players.

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14 May 2017 10:22:19
That depends on whether you're gullible enough to believe all the stories about our first choice target.
In the last fortnight alone I must have seen 30 - 40 players that are supposed to be strongly linked to us or definitely signing in one form of media or another.
I'm amazed at how many people lap it all up and take it as gospel, then start whinging when we don't sign players we haven't even looked at!

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13 May 2017 23:04:04
I hope the reports of Robertson signing are not true not filling me with confidence.

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