Liverpool Rumours Archive July 16 2015

16 Jul 2015 20:46:25
Although James Pearce is reporting that a fee of £32.5m will be met for Benteke, I understand that the fee is slightly lower.

16 Jul 2015 22:00:13
Yes your right. Its 32.4m

17 Jul 2015 21:06:31
I am told we have met his release fee but it is inactive because we have asked to pay in instalments and not all up front.

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16 Jul 2015 20:29:25
Reports in spain claiming liverpool have made contact with barca over pedro and are prepared to meet his buy-out clause.

16 Jul 2015 20:37:18
Isn't his release clause like 150 million euros or something?

16 Jul 2015 21:11:38
It was but they lowered it to 30 million euro

16 Jul 2015 21:08:13
It got recently lowered bunny with his latest contract renewal. Still 30 mil though.

There something about Spanish clubs not like using the release Claude because they pay tax on it or something so it will likely be lower than that. Not by much mind

16 Jul 2015 21:14:21
Cant see this happening, would be nice tho

16 Jul 2015 21:50:25
It used to be but it was adjusted, to a more reasonable figure around the £20 mill. mark in his latest contract.

16 Jul 2015 23:28:30
He is joining chelsea next week!

16 Jul 2015 17:57:28
I couldn't help but think we should try and loan turan until january. barca president says its a possibility but must not be a ucl club. What does the eds think?

{Ed001's Note - no thank you.}

16 Jul 2015 19:26:19
You not rate him ed001? Surely barcelona have seen something in him! Not seen a lot of him to be honest, what would you consider his flaws!

{Ed001's Note - he is quality but lazy and has a clear attitude problem in that he is willing to sit around for 6 months so he can pad out Barca's bench in the future. Steer well clear. Any player that moans about having to run is not worth considering.}

16 Jul 2015 19:29:38
Sorry Ed but "No thanks" if Arda Turan is good enough for Barca surely he can't but help us for 6 months.

{Ed001's Note - good enough for Barca's bench you mean surely? I am sorry but if this is the level of your analysis of a player's ability, then we may as well all give up. Just because they want him does not mean he is right for us. If you want a lazy bugger who just wants a 6 month holiday before spending his career lazing around on the bench because he is fed up of running then go right ahead. That is a recipe for disaster. We have enough players with the wrong attitude already. Bringing players too scared to make mistakes and afraid to have a number with pressure. We are a mess and it is this kind of thing that is causing it.}

16 Jul 2015 19:36:01
may i ask why you say this?

{Ed001's Note - see above replies.}

16 Jul 2015 20:16:02
Milner and Firminio have taken numbers 7, 11 so the only players that have taken the higher numbers are largely unproven players who are likely to develop given time and then possibly take a new number if it works out for them. Not nesesarily a bad position given their age. I really hope we are not in as much of a mess as you say Ed! I'm trying to be optimistic about things and if we manage to get rid of few to reduce the squad numbers and wage bill then we may have an exciting young team who will be hungry for success.

{Ed001's Note - I don't want a player to aim to take a number in the future, after fans have spent money on shirts, they should stick with the number they get first off. I want to see a striker have the confidence to say 9 is mine, not hide away from the pressure. Confidence is a huge part of goalscoring, if you don't have the confidence to take pens then hide away from an important number that is a problem.}

16 Jul 2015 20:55:06
Fair comment and I agree about confidence but 9,10 and 11 were taken so what shirt was the likes of Ings or Origi realistically going to take?

{Ed001's Note - there were numbers available when Ings came in that have since been taken mate.}

16 Jul 2015 21:14:50
Oh ok I didn't realise that. Thanks. There must be some part of you that thinks it's not all doom and gloom. I've got visions of coutinho and Firminio terrorising defences, clyne bursting forward and Milner forming a great partnership hith Henderson and Sturidge staying fit and bagging 20. I can dream at least!

17 Jul 2015 09:27:12
Im sorry but a number is a number, its not exactly a big deal. Yaya is 42, Henry was 14, Reina was 25 its just a bloody digit!

17 Jul 2015 09:27:19
Firmino took 11 but he was signed after Ings so that would have been an option for him anyway.

16 Jul 2015 17:12:10
Hi Eds, I know this may be a complicated issue, but with regards to the genteel situation, what does his release clause entail? I've always thought that a release clause only meant that the club had to tell the player that an offer was made for them, and a buy out clause meant that the player would be sold if they agreed to the move. However, Sherwood said that if a 32 mil offer came for Benteke, he would be powerless. I didn't realise a release clause could be that powerful.

Cheers and sorry for the long answer.

{Ed002's Note - An apt time for the question and perhaps I can explain it in easy to understand terms. I should say that this is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws.

The "buy out" clause is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax. There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about three years ago. So "bouy out" clauses are very rare.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties are in the same country (for the sake of argument I should say that Spain and Portugal count as the same country as do England and Wales). These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club does agree to match a release clause then the selling club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested - there is no obligation on the player to make a move. Examples are Goetze who decide he wanted to move and Cavani who, regardless of two offers that were made in 2012 that matched or equated to his then "release clause" recognised Napoli did not want to sell and could block a move abroad and he accepted a new package. Since then Napoli said they will listen to offers of €60M or so and indeed accepted a bid the following summer - which is of course different.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another.}

16 Jul 2015 17:33:05
Really informative! Thanks for the ed02

{Ed002's Note - Thank you.}

16 Jul 2015 18:29:34
Top class Ed02, thank you.

16 Jul 2015 19:12:37
Can players used to meet the buyout clause ed

{Ed002's Note - If the selling club is interested, sure.}

16 Jul 2015 19:17:15
Is they're anything Ed02 doesn't know?
I'll answer this for you.
No
Thanks for all the great info ed maybe you should write a book bout the real facts of football

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}

16 Jul 2015 19:55:03
Agree - thanks Ed - always a pleasure to learn something new - very well explained as well - thanks!

16 Jul 2015 22:45:35
Absolutely brilliant reply ed, such informative reply as always, magnificent job you eds do, thank you for your time it is much appreciated by most if not all.

17 Jul 2015 00:40:46
Ed002 books a great idea corruption in fifa ueffa then some tasty titbits about underhand transfers backhanders agent corruption clubs shenanigans last chapter could be a tell all about pep reina and jonjonjo and sakhos personal grooming skills i would defo buy a copy of that find out what goes on in the euro break away and teams involved and sakhos grooming services and fees and does he do extras lol

17 Jul 2015 02:28:48
Just to confirm, Benteke has a release clause, not a buy-out or termination clause, right?

Thanks for the info ed002

16 Jul 2015 16:49:08
Hi eds I know you don't like to talk about money but to your knowledge is the fee less than his claimed release clause of £32.5M.

Thanks

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know but I can confirm that release clause figure. All that was known at the start of the week was that Liverpool would make an offer that was acceptable to Aston Villa - whether or not it was bang on the release clause or slightly lower I don't know, and probably won't until UEFA are informed.}

16 Jul 2015 17:48:23
Thanks for the reply ed.

16 Jul 2015 13:23:42
Reports that we have offered to pay the full 32.5 million for Benteke, not sure if there is a 'release clause' per se however I don't think Villa will turn that amount of money down.

16 Jul 2015 14:09:03
Make a killing on 1 player and give it all to Villa . not the best business I've ever seen, I like Benteke but 32.5m is silly money.

16 Jul 2015 12:38:06
Good afternoon Eds

Mateo Kovacic

I have used the search function to see if there has been any progress, changes (positive or negative) or anything new to report in relation to the possible transfer of Kovacic but could not find anything recent.

Up to now we know Inter would not accept the initial amount offered by Liverpool, and Liverpool did not want to pay the increased amount Inter asked for under Liverpools conditions.

So with the original offer still on the table. is it dependant on:-

Liverpool waiting to see if Inter bring more tagerts in after Montoya, Miranda, Kondogbia, Biabiany and Murillo ( I understand some of those are loan deals and Kondogbia being around the £40m mark)in hope that when they come to sell to balance there books, they may reconsider the original offer put on the table for Kovacic, if they cannot sell who they would prefer to sell for the expected amounts to balance the books?

I guess that will be playing a waiting game, and Liverpool gambling on loosing there target if another club come in and match the price wanted by Inter

Or, are Liverpool re considering there offer, nearer to what Inter would accept to get the deal done?

And.Are Inter still looking to bring other targets in which would further delay any business happening between them and Liverpool?

Sorry for the drawn out questions Eds but I was hoping if any progress had been made very recently, or anything had changed (if we had dropped interest, or moved onto another more viable target) you may be able to pass the info on

Thanks in advance for any current info you can pass on

Regards

{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool's offer was rejected - why would Inter sell cheaply to Liverpool? Inter and Liverpool do not at this time have any business to do. Move on.}

16 Jul 2015 12:58:25
Ed01 was saying the bid is still on the table although not enough he's hoping we revisit the deal again before the start of the season. My question is that dependent on Lucas being moved on?
Cheers

{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool's offer was rejected. Move on.}

16 Jul 2015 13:01:51
Eds 002 thanks for the prompt reply and info

16 Jul 2015 13:02:44
Ohh, figglesticks. My poor maiden heart.

16 Jul 2015 13:02:44
Ohh, figglesticks. My poor maiden heart.

16 Jul 2015 13:42:56
I don't think inter even want to sell him nor does he want to move.

15 Jul 2015 23:47:27
Proper left field and silly I know but I wouldn't mind valdes coming in for a season or two I know we have bogdan this summer but if we could get the right deal I think it could help our distribution from the back and maybe benefit our centre backs. It's only a suggestion not a rumour or anything

{Ed002's Note - It is strange you should say that as I was reading the Liverpool Echo earlier and saw "Liverpool Soccerball Team on Red Alert" (as that is the headline which (a) attracts attention and (b) means it is absolutely nailed on to happen) "as Valdes has his hair fluffed by Sakho during secret meeting in back room of Bridlington Halal Butchers."}

16 Jul 2015 00:26:10
I knew it !!! Valdes and Sakho can't keep there hands of each other :-) . Thanks ed

16 Jul 2015 08:57:56
Some of the eds replies simple make my day 😂😂

16 Jul 2015 10:28:34
As long as it's only his hair he is acting as fluffer for that's alright!!

16 Jul 2015 12:39:39
That's not ed002 he wouldn't be reading the echo lol