Liverpool Rumours Archive August 19 2014

 

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19 Aug 2014 13:36:48
Just heard we are now favourites in front of Juve for Lavezzi signature?!
Any idea what's changed eds?

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{Ed002's Note - Search engine please.}

19 Aug 2014 19:28:34
Looks as if Ed002 kept his promise of delivering shoddy Italian meals to lavezzi

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19 Aug 2014 13:12:59
So apparently Suarez went for £65 million quid, not £75m. Absolute outrage, Ayre should be sacked, as well as Rodgers, and Gerrard and the lady who makes the teas at Melwood while we are at it

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{Ed002's Note - The total amount that went to Liverpool after a small payment to Ajax, converted in to Sterling at today's rate, is a £62M and change. There would then be a few other costs that the club has to pay - and that would need to be deducted. I did explain this at the time, so can we finally now put this to bed.}

19 Aug 2014 14:14:47
Thanks a lot for the figure ed
hope it finally ends all the suarez figures saga

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{Ed002's Note - It is actually the same figure I gave at the time, but it has now appeared in the UEFA database.}

Alot of us don't really factor in agent fees and a lot of these fees are documented in the annual reports. In some cases, there weren't. In the case of Suarez, we do not know what the proportions were. Even if it was 75m, LFC won't get 75m in total and I imagine something in the line of 65m would sound rather reasonable.

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{Ed002's Note - Barcelona were responsible for the agent fees as buyers. You are making numbers up.}

19 Aug 2014 15:14:57
Is the UEFA database something that is publicly accessible, Ed002? Doesn't seem so as I can't seem to find it if it is?

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{Ed002's Note - It is not in the public domain but those that provide the start of season data to Transfermarkt use that data. It is maintained as part of a commercial database that has to be purchased (newspapers, clubs, television companies, press agencies etc. buy it). It is maintained on a regular basis although some (like Transfermarkt) don't take the updates so I would not entirely rely on their data.}

19 Aug 2014 15:17:51
Yet again another reason why we never ask figures on the forum, when will the lads totally understand that this is not an easy issue to understand if not in the thick of things, thanks for the response though Ed002

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{Ed002's Note - As a reminder for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).

19 Aug 2014 16:44:04
Big deal, I used to care about how much we spend and wages for the club and ect. But to be fair we are not the owners, we don't spend the money ourselves and also we don't even get to pick our targets. So why do we care?

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{Ed002's Note - You should care that the club is well run from a financial perspective. Portsmouth, Leeds, etc..}

19 Aug 2014 17:40:34
They are professional business men, funding their own money. They are the best people for it. the person who will be most angry in losing millions is the board more than the fans its there money lol they will do what's best for own company. no need to worry.

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Suarez as gone its time to move on. I think ed2 said at the time the only one to blame why we didn't get more for Suarez was the man himself and his behavior. As I say time for a new star to be born.

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19 Aug 2014 19:28:17
Thanks, Ed002. Makes sense.

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19 Aug 2014 23:09:28
So we only got 15m more for Suarez than Chelsea got for for David luiz.Sounds wrong but a player that wants to go and tends to get himself in trouble too much 40m profit we will take that and move on imo.

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{Ed002's Note - I am pretty certain that this is nothing to do with Chelsea. Why this embarrassing obsession?}

20 Aug 2014 04:13:40
Ed002, I seem to recall at the time of the Suarez transfer you said the fee was £72 million give or take a few hundred thousand £'s.

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{Ed002's Note - It was £63M and that was discussed at the time.}

20 Aug 2014 11:50:27
There is no obsession with Chelsea Ed002 I was simply making sense of transfer prices of players 1 being 1 of the best players in the world and the other being average imo, but I do think Suarez behaviour brought our price down its just luiz did leave Chelsea so they got mentioned

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{Ed002's Note - The price of a central defender sold by Chelsea has no relevance to the price of a striker sold by Liverpool nor the height of the Delhi Dynamos' goalkeeper.}

19 Aug 2014 11:33:09
I see there is a rumour that Athletico Madrid may want Agger. I hope that this is true - not because I am keen to see Agger leave, but it looks certain that he will and therefore I would wish that he goes to a decent club and I see this as a good move for him.

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He's definitely off. His wages are too high to keep on as a back up. I'd be shocked if he doesn't move. Spain seems most likely as I don't think there are any teams in England that come into question right now.

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19 Aug 2014 11:18:32
Hi Ed/s, what's happening with Luis Alberto? I see Llori has gone on loan, any news on Alberto? I would be quite interested to see him get some cup games

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{Ed002's Note - He has gone. Moved to Malaga for a year and then I would think will be sold next summer.}

If he has a really good season, do you still think we'll sell him ed?

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't think he is in the plans going forward any more than the majority of the players Rodgers has purchased.}

I thought he was one for the future? Any idea what happened EDs?

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{Ed002's Note - My views on many of the purchases of BR have been explained. Take the search engine for a run.}

I would add Ilori, Assaidi and Borini to the 'weird transfer decisions' pile along with Sahin. Not sure what the deal is with Sakho either. Have to agree that thus far, by and large, we seem to spend a fair amount of money rather ineffectively.

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I'd like to see Llori given a chance at Liverpool, he's only 20/21. I've got a lot of Spanish mates, Granada and Sevilla fans mainly, and they feel he has a lot of potential. Can't say I have seen much of him myself though.

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Luis Alberto was done for drink driving as well - not a great way to endear yourself to the coaching staff.

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I believe Llori is considered "one for the future" and possibly for next season.
I think the hope is he pushes on while at Boudreaux and can possibly stake a claim next season.

On another note. I have to agree that most of BR signings haven't worked out and not surprised a committee make the decisions now.

Eds, do you think that BR gives a wish list to the committee or possibly just a list of positions that need strengthening? Does it then just mean the committee are the "directors of football" and didn't Rodgers not want that when he was at appointed?

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Ilori imo.

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19 Aug 2014 10:47:48
Hi eds. Have you heard anything about us buying Patrick Roberts and then loaning him back or is it just rubbish? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I can't really help. If this is the Fulham kid that much is expected of then I think he is probably too young to be loaned right now. I might be wrong.}

He looks impressive, reminds me of something between Messi and Lallana. But I expect him to be valued as a sack of diamonds, due to his nationality.

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19 Aug 2014 10:45:29
Hi eds
I remember a while ago we looked at Iker Munian from Bilbao, I think if I remember rightly he was a bit of a rough diamond, immense potential from what I've seen of him but a few off the field issues or attitude problems if I remember rightly. Did we have any further interest in him & what's his situation now? I think from what I seen of him in the past he may of suited our style.
I read these pages every day & think some fans think by bringing in a "big name" signing we will replace Suarez goals. That doesn't always work, anybody remember Fernando Morientes? Absolute beast in Europe scoring goals for fun for Real Madrid & Monaco but didn't suit our play or the English game, he then returned to Spain & started Scoring again for Valencia, Robbie Keane scored goals everywhere he went, came to Liverpool & didn't fit into our style of play, Look at the likes of Crespo, Ketzman & Shevchenko at Chelsea, Veron at United, City have had a few too. My point being the big money marquee signings don't always work, no matter how fantastic a player they are or how many goals they've scored.
Just for an example say we spent £50million on a Cavani or a Falcao, money which which would cripple us I imagine, that player would need to be a massive success, they would need to be a 30+ goals a season guy! we'd need not only need to qualify for Champions League every season but to get into their latter rounds every year just to pay some ridiculous wages we cannot afford. Then if it doesn't work out and the player flops that could open up its own can of worms with un needed pressure on the manager, financial implications & squad harmony.
Liverpool in my opinion don't need the marquee signing, we just need the right signing, I'm not sure Falcao would be it, I definitely doubt Eto'o, Cavani & Huntelaar would be it.

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{Ed002's Note - The only thing that has happened this summer is that Spurs made an enquiry for Muniain - but before they confirmed a new manager. I expect that he will agree a contract extension with Athletic Bilbao (which he may have done already - I am not in a position to check).}

Risk in everything. Arguably sometimes less risk in buying the more expensive player. Look at the amount of players we bought in the 5-10 mil bracket that didn't work out. The likes of munian is bigger risk because he's not cheap, hasn't fulfilled his potential as people thought he would and he also has an attitude problem!

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Don't see him getting game at all not a chance

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19 Aug 2014 10:27:45
Morning fellow reds & EDs,
Can any of the eds give an update on potential outgoings? I've heard rumours all summer long about agger, boring, Lucas, Enrique, Coates so on so forth all leaving. Was just wondering are these genuine departures or is it a case of fans & journalists picking few names out & throwing them about? Could you tell us who the interest is most strong in at the moment? Cheers guys & gals

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{Ed002's Note - Agger wants to leave, perhaps Napoli is still an option. Suso wanted out but was priced out of a move by the club. Assaidi will be going but after initially pricing him out of a move the club dropped his price. His expectations are now the problem. Ilori should complete his loan to Bordeaux sometime today. Coates has not attracted interest from anyone with money to spend. Chances of Sampdoria for Coates. Borini could just possibly still move to Sunderland.}

Cheers for the response ed.

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Agger doesn't want to leave lol and brandon don't want him to leave either he is injured at the moment but a transfer might happen because of too many centre backs personally I keep Agger regardless just for showing loyalty to us.

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19 Aug 2014 09:25:24
Hi Ed002, With Martinez's injury and Kroos gone to Madrid, who are Bayern interested in to strengthen their midfield and defence?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - You should be asking this on the European page, but they have enquired after Vidal and Khedira - obviously both of which interest other clubs.}

19 Aug 2014 10:26:35
Thanks Ed. I did actually ask this on the european page, but there was no response, there haven't been any eds there for a while

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Martinez doesn't play Centre Mid for Bayern he playes at the centre back so they won't be signing any midfielders they have plenty. Have bid for Benatia and are looking into cheaper alternatives which include Godin at Atletico. Also, am told the reason Khedira hasn't moved yet is because he'll go to Bayern on a free next summer.

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{Ed002's Note - There is no agreement for Khedira to move to Bayern Munich next year "on a free". As of yesterday, it is anticipated there will be news on Khedira by Friday this week.}

19 Aug 2014 08:31:28
Are pato or damiao available if falcao doesn't sign. As I don't see many top class strikers out there and personally don't want bony to lazy watched him against united he was awful
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{Ed002's Note - You seem to be clutching at straws and just coming up with random names of players the club should try and buy. It seems you have all of the qualifications necessary to become the next manager.}

Ed2 your a chelsea fan right?

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{Ed002's Note - I would not use the word "fan", but I do support Chelsea. I am not sure of the relevance here.}

19 Aug 2014 09:26:22
Hi All,

I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone, and if I offend someone please accept my apologies.

@Ed002 - I do understand that it must be frustrating having to answer all these questions about dreamed up players and potential signings.
I admire your ability to deal with MOTD fever when a player stands out and you are inundated with questions.
Having said that, soon people would be too afraid to even post their questions, fearing a stinging response from you.
In my opinion it is the fan interaction and the sometimes silly posts that add to the experience of this forum.

Once again, I offer my apologies in advance if I have offended anyone with this post.

YNWA

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{Ed002's Note - The point is Faizel that folks are throwing up names of players at random because they want to see Liverpool spend more money. They don't care who the players are or if they are wanted by the club, or even if they would fit in to the style of play Rodgers wants. They simply want to see the club spend money. They don't care about the debt. They don't care for the consequences if Liverpool don't qualify for the Champions League next season.

If you think folks are scared of posting because of an honest response from me, then so be it. It is hardly me who is going to worry.

You can come out from behind the sofa, I don't bite - that was Suarez.}

Damiao and Pato? What! You'd rather have 2 washed up sick-noters than a 20 goal plus premier league striker?

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19 Aug 2014 11:13:55
I for one enjoy Ed002's responses - its one of the main reasons I read this page!
I was actually originally going to have a go at Ed002, because I originally thought he was having a go at LFC's choice in managers but I now realise he was having a sarcastic pop at the poster! ;-)

Anyhow, super mario to arrive before deadline day, as BR loves a challenge and he is the only player that makes Luis look like a well rounded individual!

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Eds002 you know people are just trying to ask you a question? Stop being so rude you little person!! If it wasn't for people asking you these questions you wouldn't have website! person

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{Ed002's Note - We get a lot of trolling runts like you posting. You should take your sad little stain of a life and move on.

And I don't "have a website".}

19 Aug 2014 15:14:43
In defence of Ed002, I can't think of anything ruder than taking up someones voluntary given effort with asking stoooopid questions. Or making pointless posts.

Like this one.

Hmmmm. Sorry Ed002

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" It seems you have all of the qualifications necessary to become the next manager"

This was obviously a thinly veiled insult of Brendan Rodgers. Ed2 is constantly trashing the man - even though they support a team which has the biggest joke/hypocrite of a manager in the entire EPL.

ED2, I enjoy reading your insight, but come on, enough with the Brendan Rodgers insults.

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{Ed002's Note - Sometimes the truth hurts. 2 out of 16 is not the best of returns.

As far as I can tell, of the players brought by Brendan Rodgers, only Daniel Sturridge and Simon Mignolet have been regular starters and it looks like they will continue to be so. There are some squad players in Philippe Coutinho, Joe Allen, Kolo Touré and Mamadou Sakho at the club although they would be happy to move Touré on. Then there are the players sent on loan or to be sold because they don’t know what to do with them Fabio Borini, Oussama Assaidi , Samed Yesil , João Carlos Teixeira, Luis Alberto and Tiago Ilori – then there are those he bought in who have already departed - Nuri Sahin, Iago Aspas, Aly Cissokho and Victor Moses.

Let me know when Brendo is running his master class on transfer dealings.

Also, I am not sure why you want to embarrass yourself by bringing Chelsea in to it. Nor why you keep submitting this post with slightly different wording.}

19 Aug 2014 15:40:47
Really Mike? If you want nice sugar quoted reply go join a rumour site that would tell you exactly what you want to hear that every player we linked with will sign and that every name you suggest magically turns out to be our next big signing.

Ed002 and other eds, big ups for the good work

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19 Aug 2014 15:45:10
Ed002, I enjoy your insite, but please you have a pattern of insulting BR at any opportunity. I find this a tad funny given that you support a club which has the biggest joke/hypocrite in the EPL as a manager.

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{Ed002's Note - Please see my reply to your last post AmericaEagle. I don't know how well you know Mr Mourinho or Mr Rodgers, but they are a light year apart.}

Bony awful against utd!? Ridiculous. He held the ball up well and linked well with sigurdsson. The guardian said he was excellent. (not proof, but I trust them way more than some over-excited fan who wants pato.)

There's contradicting people, and there's being rude.

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Tbh is mourinho that good at transfer? He has only ever been at clubs with big money and brought in massive losses for his transfers and I don't agree with the fact that sakho and coutinho are squad players and teixera llori are still young and we finished second last year and chealse where 3rd light years apart I don't think so, but we all entitled to our opinion and I for one will carry on reading the page no matter what, fancy a little bet on who would finish higher in the league ed?

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{Ed002's Note - And so it starts. Got the spade out an working on the hole of ignorance. You really don't want to go there - since January Chelsea has sold players for more than £140M - I can't be bothered to look what they paid for them. Perhaps Coutinho is more than a squad player - but last season I think many of his appearances were from the bench. Kirikou was in and out of the team and Rodgers now has Lovren - go figure. What I said was Rodgers and Mourinho were light years apart - not the places at the end of the season for the clubs. I really wouldn't bother going down this road. Most of the time the Liverpool posters are trashing the players, the owners, the management, the coaching staff, possible transfer, the ex-players - it is like some sort of hideous joke - and yet your obsession with Chelsea keeps coming out.}

Since January he sold players he didn't bring in so that's not really a valid point, shevchenko, kezman, boularhouz, wright Phillips, del horno I could go on all I'm saying is every manager buys flops, I think our owners a bloody class and where they taken from in a short period of time is amazing, yes I havey opinions on players and don't believe aspas, Alberto, cissoko weren't great buys but we didn't spend a fortune, you may call me ignorant all u like but the table and results don't lie you may not like br but taking a tiny squad with a spine of British youngsters to second in the league should be regonised as a great achievement

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19 Aug 2014 23:56:11
LOL, fine, I will leave Chelsea out of it. His signings aside, you tend to forget what BR has accomplished, and accomplished without oil billions backing him. Your constant trashing of him comes across as trollish.

and btw, the reason for mult posts is that this website is amateur hour. I post once, hit submit. and nothing. Thinking I made a mistake, I go thru the same exercise. nothing again. Then I hit the Alternate Reply button and I finally get the 'post will be reviewed message.

Finally, maybe, just maybe standards for logical discourse are much higher in america.

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{Ed002's Note - I would guess that everyone now understands what a joke you are. Incoherent, obnoxious and abusive ramblings. Amateur hour? Why do you bother with us then? Take the stained sheets and move on elsewhere and folks can have a sensible discussion. I feel embarrassed to having been born an American.}

Good god!

This is all going on a bit, couldn't be bothered reading all the posts! We are all grown ups here, and in football the banter about managers will alwayss be there. If you can't take it then stay home and watch it on TV - they edit it nicely for you.

Why don't we all man up and take the banter with a pinch of salt.

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Whilst I don't think that BR's signings have been excellent, we haven't exactly been trading in the upper tier due to the lack of European football and our lowly league position before he arrived. Give him 2-3 seasons and then we can say whether he's succeeded.
You can't really call Mourinho though. He didn't spend billions at Porto and just because Chelsea have spent, it isn't really a stick to beat him with.
Last season was great for Liverpool and this seasons signings seem pretty good so I'm hopeful that the improvement continues.
Still think we need that experienced CL striker though and have to admit that Huntelaar would have been a decent option. Not his biggest fan but reckon he could do a job.

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19 Aug 2014 08:27:26
We all know how difficult it is to push through a transfer but I get the feeling that were plate spinning with different deals for forwards and we may end up with know one. Me personally I would push for lavezzi as that deal seems to tick 9 out 10 boxes as the best deal available atm.

Bony no no, eto'o no no no no, falcao not a chance, cavani so over rated it's unreal, so that leaves lavezzi and i'm just hoping those other names are a distraction while were getting this deal done.

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{Ed002's Note - Ok Waro we can do that for you. We need to put him off a move to Italy and then it will be on for Liverpool (a "goer" I think in your terms). The Eds will ensure he gets a couple of questionable Italian meals over the next few days - that will be enough to seal the transfer for you. Let me know if there is anything else you need.}

I can't honestly see any of those being realistic transfers.

Falcao will obviously need to be first choice and the costs associated would be astronomical. Cavani would also have to be first choice and, again, the costs are beyond us. Bony would want to be getting a lot of game time and he deserves to, considering the impact he's had in first season. Eto'O I just can't really see - he's an option and I don't share the view that he's 'washed up'. He might be past his best, but he's still a very, very good player.

Lavezzi obviously has that flexibility that would certainly suit us, but - as the Eds have said - he favours a move to Italy and I'm sure he'll get his wish.

Personally - and I know that there'll be others that disagree with me - I'd like to see us go with Borini, Lambert and Sturridge. I know it leaves us a little light, but we have the adaptability in the team to change formation to accomodate one or two strikers. If need be, we can always review this in January.

I just really hope that Sturridge can stay fit this season - I'd love to see him go that little bit further than last season. He's definitely got 25+ goals in him.

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{Ed002's Note - I would not totally discount Lavezzi not moving to Italy.}

Well since you're offering help Ed I have an ongoing issue
. I blame FSG and in particular Brendan Rodgers for the rain that always seems to fall in the second half of matches in December. February isn't much better either. Could you have a word with them about this as I don't like my feet getting wet. Its just not on.

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{Ed002's Note - It will be solved when the franchise relocates further south and Super Stevie Nicol takes over as manager.}

19 Aug 2014 11:21:33
Lavezzi is too old and expensive. A good player but I'd be happier with Kono & Bony

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