Liverpool Rumours Archive July 01 2017

 

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01 Jul 2017 20:32:43
Liverpool to move for Kieran Gibbs.

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01 Jul 2017 21:34:34
Robertson is a better player.

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01 Jul 2017 21:47:02
Hope not lol.

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01 Jul 2017 22:18:43
I'd rather clichy on the free than Gibbs. Then again, I'd rather neither.

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01 Jul 2017 22:21:32
I'm a better player.

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01 Jul 2017 22:26:37
Moreno is a better player than Gibbs. Gibbs is woeful.

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01 Jul 2017 22:32:29
Why not luke shaw instead of gibbs. if manu are going fir a celtic player.

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01 Jul 2017 22:26:37
Moreno is a better player than Gibbs. Gibbs is woeful.

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01 Jul 2017 22:40:48
Why not none?

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01 Jul 2017 23:14:39
We would be better off going for Robertson than Gibbs. In fact we'd be better off sticking with what we have than wasting mkndg on Gibbs.

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01 Jul 2017 23:29:20
Would rather we went for Barry Gibb.

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01 Jul 2017 23:49:54
Nice Ron, but I hope that is a compliment to the Bee Gees as you would deeply offend me.

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02 Jul 2017 01:14:58
As a 2nd or 1st Choice?

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02 Jul 2017 01:24:45
"Liverpool move for Kieran Gibbs"

Are we hiding so he can't find us?!

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02 Jul 2017 05:41:34
Ed001 do u tnk i have a chance (≧▽≦) i mean i would need very very less wage and would be a free signingʕ•ٹ•ʔ (^。^) (^。^) (^。^) though is being a pro footballer better than medical field? im studying medical (・ิω・ิ) (・ิω・ิ)

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{Ed001's Note - you couldn't be any worse than Gibbs, no need to stop your studies though, you could turn up half cut, after a night studying medicine and still be a better option.}

02 Jul 2017 08:57:40
If we bought Gibbs it would bee a tragedy.

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02 Jul 2017 09:59:39
Arsenal fan here. Correct me if I'm wrong but I read the OP as a joke because Liverpool are in the Oxlade-Chamberlain.

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02 Jul 2017 10:00:25
I now believe that the Robertson rumour has a lot of merit and he could be a LFC player next year, 8m is cheap for an EPL proven player and still only 23. Wages should be low and the way things are going if he does not work out then we can offload him within 2 years for probably a profit. I have not seen enough of him to rate him with my footballing hat on but the business hat this does makes perfect sense.

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02 Jul 2017 10:45:02
Wire, the papers linked us to Gibbs, no idea why as he's shown nothing at Arsenal to demonstrate that he's a decent left back. As for Oxlade, if we bring him in for a centre midfield position then we're asking for trouble as he's useless in centre midfield.

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02 Jul 2017 10:50:57
Every player mentioned in these posts are donkeys.

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02 Jul 2017 12:17:06
Nice one "no fun way". 😄

Surprised that post didn't cause a chain reaction.

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02 Jul 2017 12:44:12
I hope the lights all go out on this rumour Ron.

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02 Jul 2017 13:32:13
Doubt it Hansens, this rumour is Staying Alive.

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02 Jul 2017 14:59:20
Ah gotcha Hansen. Dunno why he'd bother, he's barely better than Moreno. If I were him I'd be trying to get to Soton or the like if Bertrand goes, not really good enough for any of the top teams.

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02 Jul 2017 16:11:04
I would prefer the OP at LB instead of the perrenially awful Gibbs.

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03 Jul 2017 01:20:49
Every player mentioned in these posts will likely appear on other sites as Liverpool interested in during the next week.

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03 Jul 2017 13:29:03
51 thumbs down for "gibbs looked at by liverpool" that must be a record, certainly most activity I've seen on a post. Says it all. Back to the drawing board. Robertson should be biting klopps arm off, is it true he is weighing his options?

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01 Jul 2017 18:15:04
Ed01 I wanna ask u do u think we will get Naby Kieta and another centre half if gomez leaves on loan except VVD have u got any information from your sources
Thanks for your hard work.

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{Ed001's Note - we have not agreed anything with RBL, who are not keen to lose the player this season, even knowing there is a good chance he will go for less next. Money is not really an issue for the club, what they want is the best possible squad for the Champions League. So it will be difficult to get him, without paying obscene amounts of money, which was what we baulked at doing with regard to VVD.
I don't know of any other centre back likely to be joining this summer.}

01 Jul 2017 18:30:12
Thanks a lot Ed01 for your reply its better we wait and see now what will be enfold in few weeks.

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01 Jul 2017 21:58:36
i really wish we would man up and pay what it takes to land our main transfer targets.

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02 Jul 2017 00:56:25
Nothing to do with manning up, Valent. If we don't value a player as highly as his parent club, we will offer less. Simples.

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02 Jul 2017 15:34:27
I think the heightened interest in kieta speaks volumes about are chances of signing vvd sadly. Could never see us shelling out for both I just hope if we do sign kieta it doesn't affect our total football attacking style with three up front. Saying that we looked fantastic playing 41212 at the end of the season with coutinio deeper and sturridge starting. Kieta would fit in with that system well I think. I can't help thinking where that leaves Hendo and can who both seem to be growing into world class cms.

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04 Jul 2017 02:01:13
I have a funny feeling Hendo's injury woes are a lot more serious than we are led to believe. There hasn't been a lot of talk about him. Can will stay and sign a new contract. He fits the Klopp mould and can only get better.

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01 Jul 2017 12:13:26
Ed002, thanks for the reply. I do understand the embarrassing statement lfc put out but just concerned we aren't moving away from Vvd. Look at how quickly Chelsea moved for a cb when they realised Southamptons stance yet we don't seem to be moving on from it.

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{Ed002's Note - Really, was there no hint in the Liverpool's statement which included the words: "We respect Southampton's position and can confirm we have ended any interest in the player."? Chelsea were told by Southampton that van Dijk is not for sale so they have been looking at other options.}

01 Jul 2017 12:20:49
We weren't looking for a CB until VVD became interested, apparently. I'd expect we do as our statement and either return in Jan or most likely next summer.
We need a LB and Klopp wants Keita. These two should've been the focus since the statement.

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01 Jul 2017 12:31:37
Even if VVD was available and for less than stupid money would he really improve the team that much?

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01 Jul 2017 13:01:27
Spot on, Max Renn. People need to take a hint and let this VVD nonsense go instead of wishing upon a star. As for Chelsea, they are going for Rudiger, who is a better, more experienced and quality CB than VVD yet would cost 30m reportedly, over twice the price VVD would cost. Go figure.

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01 Jul 2017 13:21:50
BR. rudiger is not as good as you are making out, vvd has been outstanding since he's been in the prem, he's much better than rudiger! We need to spend big to win the prem simple.

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01 Jul 2017 14:37:06
Southampton have just signed a cb from Lech Poznan (? ) . Fuel for the fire?

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01 Jul 2017 16:25:45
We do very well to start mending a very broken reputation by sticking to our word again and moving on.

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01 Jul 2017 20:28:18
Yes fuel to the fire. Apparently we are readying a bid for 35 mil for Jan Bednarek (the cb they just signed for 5 mil) . May as well. Be more expensive next year!

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01 Jul 2017 22:44:14
Should just hijack their deal easier all round.

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02 Jul 2017 00:37:40
Why don't they go for manolas who st Petersburg were going to buy but he didn't turn up for the medical.

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{Ed001's Note - because he has disciplinary issues.}

01 Jul 2017 10:49:31
Hi Ed's,

Just a quick question with the goalkeeping situation, do you think we are keeping ward for pre-season to look at him before making a decision or are we keeping him as 3rd choice the whole season?

If that is that case i am mystified as to why Klopp would ever do that!

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{Ed002's Note - Right now Ward has been told he will be third choice for the season which I think is a great pity after he did very well indeed last season - and the first half of the season before in Scotland. I am sure he would love the opportunity to play for Liverpool but third choice goalkeepers are generally those at the tail end of their career and who help out with the kids and the like - such as Manninger last season. I am sure ward will be thinking very hard about his situation.}

01 Jul 2017 11:12:46
Completely agree, if this happens it will be the second time he has come back from playing regularly and well to just sitting in the stands!

From his perspective if i wasn't allowed out on loan, i would push for a permanent transfer.

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{Ed002's Note - Huddersfield wanted to hang on to him but were told no.}

01 Jul 2017 12:07:42
I can not, for the life of me, understand this decision.

Surely this will have an effect on Danny Ward's development?

He has spent the last year and a half playing regularly, developing his skills and experience, and has progressed from Leagues that were meant to be a gradual increase, in order to prepare him for life in the Premier League. I thought that was the plan.

Now, Huddersfield are in the Premier League. This should be the big test, to see if he is ready for the rigours of the league, but, instead of doing what is so obvious. We are bringing him back to sit in the stands and possibly play a few matches in the U23's!? How does that make any kind of sense!?

Loris Karius could hardly get a game last season, a player Klopp has made a number of promises to, I believe. I can not recall Alex Manniger, the third choice keeper, ever playing a single game for us. In fact, I don't believe he ever did.

So, how does it make any sense to put Danny Ward in this position!? To undo all his hard work, while out on loan. By the time Klopp decides Ward could do with another loan, it is likely that Huddersfield would have already brought in a new Goal Keeper. Meaning another closed avenue for development.

I cannot understand why we don't just use Kamil Grabara, or one of our other young Goalkeepers, to fill in as third choice but also play regularly for the U23's. It would be a great experience for them, to train and, on the rather occasion, play in matches with the first team. If you cannot bring someone older, who has experience and pedigree on his side, then why not turn to the youth?

I really hope we don't end up alienating Ward and losing him in the next Transfer Window because I believe the boy has the potential to be a very good option for us. However, with Mignolet first choice and impressing, Loris Karius being promised all kinds of thing, where does that really leave Ward!?

In all honesty, in order to further his career, I think Ward needs to leave on a permanent transfer. It pains me to say this because I have nothing but respect for the man's abilities and mindset, but perhaps it would be best for all parties if Ward was to be sold.

I don't know how other people feel, but, I believe this might be the best course of action for the young lad.

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01 Jul 2017 12:17:18
Migs starts season drops a clanger puts Karius in Migs gets arse on goes in summer Ward then goes to no2.

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01 Jul 2017 12:23:52
What exactly was Karius promised.

Ward has the same opportunity in training to claim a place. Mignolet was clearly 2nd choice, but look what happened. Klopp and his team are not fools. If Ward impresses he will get a game.

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{Ed002's Note - Karious was named the number one public after Klopp explained to Mignolet he would not be starting.}

01 Jul 2017 13:04:29
And that was the right decision Ed, IMO as Migs at the time had been wretched though out his time here before Karius arrived. Things may not have worked out and the reasons why can be debated BUT Klopp did the right thing as Migs was killing us big time. As for Ward, it boggles the mind why we don't just let him go as clearly, being third choice is just stupid at this time as he is well-thought of outside of LFC and is a Welsh international.

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01 Jul 2017 13:07:16
What klopp did clearly worked though! Migs was outstanding after being given that wake up call!

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01 Jul 2017 13:09:42
Nothing more than a gut feel tells me one of Migs or Karius will leave before the end of the window.

Like I said, just a guy feel.

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01 Jul 2017 13:57:30
"Like I said, just a guy feel. "

🤢.

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01 Jul 2017 14:14:31
Not sure if this is the right place for a guy feel, Zed.

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01 Jul 2017 14:57:05
Come on lads we are not here to judge.

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01 Jul 2017 16:48:23
Oh dear! What a time for auto correct on 'gut'!

😂😂😂.

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01 Jul 2017 16:51:33
Think Ward should be given chance in PL with Hudder. instead of being 2nd or 3rd option here.

The exp is invaluable.

Not sure what Klopp is smoking on Goal keeping front.

Cheers.

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01 Jul 2017 17:40:05
I think players like Ward, Ojo, Chirivella, Kent will be allowed to show during the preseason whether they are ready to be part of the first team squad and if they are not, they will be loaned or sold.

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to assess them over the preseason before making a decision.

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01 Jul 2017 21:42:50
Ward may prove himself either in training or games. There's rumoured interest in Karius, so even if nothing happen this window perhaps Ward could force his way up the order. Perhaps Klopp sees something in Ward, and knows something we don't about either Migs' or Karius' future. Window's not really even open as yet, so they may be more to this than we've seen.

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02 Jul 2017 12:10:33
Ward is now fringe international as well if he wants to develop he needs to move on. No point having ability sitting in the stands. If LFC don't want to sell then there needs to be an aim to use him and not as a break glass.

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01 Jul 2017 03:46:07
Hi Ed002,

Did you confirm that Liverpool have agreed a fee with RBL for Keita in a post about Laimer to RBL which seems to have been taken down?

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool has not agreed any fee with RBL over Naby Keita and unless something has changed overnight they have yet to make any offer to RBL.}

01 Jul 2017 08:43:45
The tabloids are loving it, looks like this Keita news is going on overdrive this weekend.

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01 Jul 2017 09:08:05
When the news is that Liverpool are 'preparing' a bid for the player it just shows how bad the leakage situation is at Liverpool. I'm not sure any other club has this problem to the same extent. Ed please can we have you opinion on who is to blame for the porous nature of information-security at our club and what can be done to fix it?

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{Ed002's Note - Well it was Klopp who briefed the press - so him. As for the "preparing a bid" I have no idea what that means. Are they going from sofa to sofa looking for cash? Is some one checking the spelling on the fax?}

01 Jul 2017 09:39:11
ed002 why do you have to try and be funny and blunt about the wording people use? obviously you know what the guy meant.

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{Ed002's Note - I answered his question - it was KLOPP who briefed several members of the press so he is to be held accountable. Are you some sort of halfwit? You tell me what "preparing a bid" means then.}

01 Jul 2017 09:52:15
Haha, thanks Ed. I agree. Maybe they're wrapping up a cake and some prezzies with shiny paper and ribbons and hiring an old Spitfire to drop it over Leipzig. Not sure RB will appreciate the gesture.

And thanks Gayfish, but he wasn't being rude towards me, I was only using the phrase in the press, which makes little sense to me.

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01 Jul 2017 09:58:17
It clearly means sat with the transfer committee, talking about what would be an acceptable first offer! Prepare the £15 million offer from liverpool! 😂.

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01 Jul 2017 10:12:01
I recall that Klopp said that talks were ongoing regarding transfer targets. I don't recall him talking specifically about who so I'm not sure how that makes him accountable or even what he'd be accountable for.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about. The talks with van Dijk were the result of an illegal approach from Liverpool and Klopp briefed certain members of the press in order to unsettle targets. If he also made illegal approaches to the three other players then it would be reasonable to expect retribution. This has been done to death.}

01 Jul 2017 10:15:09
I would imagine the powers that be sit round a table and decide how much the player is worth and if they are prepared to pay the asking price.

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{Ed002's Note - What "asking price" would that be?}

01 Jul 2017 10:26:26
Even I felt it was odd when late last season, Klopp was saying that "talks were on going with prospective targets". I have never heard a manager say that in public regarding transfers. I do not recall him ever mentioning players by name tho I could be wrong but even if no names are mentioned, it still seems odd which goes hand in hand with the tapping up nonsense he seems seems unable to stop.

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{Ed002's Note - He briefed members of the press and gave them four names in order to unsettle the players. Why do you want to drag this all up again?}

01 Jul 2017 10:49:12
what do you want posters to do? know exactly how transfers work step by step and know exactly what wording to use?

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{Ed002's Note - It has been explained to posters how transfer work and most are fine with that. Perhaps you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself if you read posts on the site and searched for such things.}

01 Jul 2017 10:50:18
Just a quick question:

Who is really invovled on transfer talks with the player/ clubs? Surely it can't be just the manager. Because everything i mostly read on here regarding the tapping up situation or anything transfer talks related really is about Klopp doing stuff.

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{Ed002's Note - Klopp was the one who met with van Dijk and then continued communicating with him. The two letters warning the club over illegal approaches last summer both related to approaches made directly by Klopp.}

01 Jul 2017 10:57:27
"talks were on going with prospective targets". Internal discussions targeting certain players nothing wrong with that.

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{Ed002's Note - It is like some sort of joke. So you think Liverpoool did not illegally approach van Dijk? Isn't that a very stupid position to take?}

01 Jul 2017 11:19:09
When we get charged by the FA for an illegal approach then I'll believe we did. Until then Ed even you can't claim we did anything wrong. Innocent until proven guilty and we have not been found guilty of anything.

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{Ed002's Note - I am sorry. The club issued a grovelling apology and withdrew intersest in van Dijk. You are some sort of idiot if you are still in denial of this. And don't forget that club are already serving one ban for making an illegal approach.}

01 Jul 2017 11:25:21
I may have missed a post concerning this but who were the two letters from and about who? I know this must go on all the time but isn't Klopp treading a fine line?

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{Ed002's Note - It was dealt with last year and unimportant. Klopp is well over the line - this has all be dealt with recently but again all of those morons in denial are out.}

01 Jul 2017 11:28:01
Could that not just be because they respect the position of Southampton so apologised for any misunderstanding and withdrew their interest to avoid any animosity between the clubs? Nothing has been proven, I'd argue you'd have to be some kind of idiot to condemn someone without enough evidence to convict. Isn't that what the law is based on in all walks of life, not just football?

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{Ed002's Note - A complaint sits on file with the Premier League. Why do you want to drag up all of this yet again?}

01 Jul 2017 11:33:23
I don't Ed I'm just putting another spin on it. At the end of the day we've not been found guilty of any wrong doing regarding VVD. I think we should accept this, move on and stop bashing the club and Klopp when in actual fact according to the FA who are the law in our league we have no case to answer.

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{Ed002's Note - There is no "spin", the club and Klopp get "bashed" because people like you keep dragging it up. I have no idea what the FA has to do with this. You really don't get how bad the club and the manager have been behaving.}

01 Jul 2017 11:34:37
I'm not sure how anyone can deny what happened given the club itself issued an apology, it's like you all live with your heads in the sand. I love the club and Klopp but poor mistakes have been made. To be honest I'm not sure why we're dragging all of this up again.

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01 Jul 2017 11:42:20
Liverpool's embarrassing apology to Fulham sees Clint Dempsey tapping-up complaint dropped. 2012.

Liverpool banned from signing academy players. (Stoke 12yr old)

All this is Klopps fault is it. Obviously a fundamental issue within liverpool Im sure the idiot transfer committee or agent has badly advised Klopp.

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{Ed002's Note - You do want to drag it out then. Nobody has blamed Klopp for either of those matters although he could yet be dragged in to the issue over the ex-Stoke player whose career the club screwed up if that goes to court as planned. He wasn't even at the club when there was tapping up when there was the tapping up of Dempsey, nor when the club had Gerrard tap up players on their behalf. Klopp is far from an innocent party but of course you want to blame the "idiot transfer committee" or "agent" and absolve him. This really is the sort of nonsense that does indeed make some fans a complete laughing stock.}

01 Jul 2017 12:48:50
Why doesn't the club put a gagging order on Klopp with respect to other team's players?
I don't get it, it's like they want him to keep doing it.

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01 Jul 2017 13:11:58
Thanks, Ed for the clarification and for full disclosure, I have and will never defend the club or Klopp for any tapping up issues we and he have had. What he has done is flat out disgraceful and should be reprimanded internally by the owners. And to those defending the club or Klopp and deflecting on this issue, you seriously need to knock it off with your pathetic excuses and arguments for defending the indefensible. It is becoming pathetic and like Ed02, I am fed up with it.

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01 Jul 2017 13:41:35
Just for the record Ed I didn't drag anything up if you look at the thread it was being discussed before I got involved. It just makes me laugh that we've got so called Liverpool fans bashing the club and manager for an issue they know very little about. If we were found guilty of tapping up and the details made public then we could all have an opinion good or bad. Until then there has been no proven guilt so we need to forget it and move on. There's no point criticising base on hearsay and half truths.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have been found guilty - you seem to grasp any of this.}

01 Jul 2017 14:08:10
I bet some of you wish you'd "prepared" your postes more! So just to summarise; Southampton are out of order!

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01 Jul 2017 16:25:07
Are we, honestly, still talking about this? I leave the page for a week and it's still happening? Klopp was a jerk. LFC have been jerks.
We need to buck our ideas up and do the right thing by other clubs and their players whilst we still have some clubs who want to deal with us.
It's not difficult. We know the rules. Break them, we pay the price.
Fully deserved as well.

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01 Jul 2017 17:02:41
I'm sure we were done for tapping up Christian ziege all them years ago. Were masters of tapping up. Haha. Not good tho.

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01 Jul 2017 22:26:42
Blimey, this thread has got a little rancorous. Just like the good old days!
Liverpool has picked up a reputation for sailing close to the wind over several years and Klopp seems to be continuing that trend. Naughty, naughty. However, singling out LFC and its fans for special treatment is not really fair. When compared to several top-flight continental European teams, Liverpool is relatively clean. Relatively. And as for Chelsea.
This is hardly the most heavily regulated industry in the world and is dominated by individual owners whose staggering wealth has been almost always been gathered by questionable means, assisted by dodgy advisers, agents and others.
I would suggest we move on from this subject and focus on the tiny nuggets of reality amongst the torrent of transfer speculation.
And "done deals", of course.
Cheers.

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02 Jul 2017 12:21:00
Ed002 can i clarfy something that may have caused the initial confusion at the start of this rehashing. Where you say briefed journalists I'm reading that as the old fashioned quiet chat, unofficial, off the record type of thing not formal press conferences. Would that be correct and why people are struggling to see where Klopp has briefed the press?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, a number of journalistes were briefed by Klopp and given the names of four players in an attempt to unsettle the players.}

02 Jul 2017 17:20:53
Thanks fot clarifying Ed002.

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03 Jul 2017 01:08:52
Some facts for you kids:
1. What the club has done is shameful. No other word to describe it.
2. We have done that before, plenty of times.
3. Other clubs do it all the time, but that is not an excuse.
4. We do not want the same done to us, although it happened (e: Suarez)
5. A manager does what the club allows him to. He knows very well that this is against the rules, so he could only have done it with unofficial backing.
6. Players and former players have been involved in this activity as well.

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