28 Aug 2014 14:27:34
Eds any idea if Ibe is going out on loan? . I tried the serch function and can't see anything recent. (im sat next to a Derby fan who thinks they are in the hunt for him)
{Ed002's Note - I believe the plan is for a loan to Derby. He will not get a chance at Liverpool and it will be the best thing for him. In the longer term it will give the club the opportunity to watch him playing at a good level and then decide what they want to do with him next season (bring him in to the squad, loan him or Brendaned.}
Ed - what is "Brendaned"?
{Ed002's Note - Try Twitter - #WonderDogSparky}
28 Aug 2014 19:01:19
Ed002? is your term "brendaned" from the urban dictionary meaning, over indulged. If not would love to know your definition.
Thanks for all the hard work.
{Ed002's Note - A recent episode of #WonderDogSparky explains it well enough.}
Eds great site and read everyday. What's with the little niggles at Brendan ie "kid in a candy store" " brendaned"
I personally think he has done a great job and no one is perfect. Do you not agree?
{Ed002's Note - IN terms of purchases neither I nor the club would agree. The club created the transfer committee to help him out.}
I am sure Eds002 and 001 could add to this but perhaps you should consider this definition:
To Brendan (verb) - to leave a player in a position where they don’t know what their role or future is at the club by any number of means including, but not limited to:
a) neither selecting players, nor allowing them to leave
b) loaning, but not caring how players actually perform on loan or how to integrate them upon their return
c) not offering the majority of young players a route to develop
It may be brought about buy buying too many players for similar positions, but failing to operate a happy rotation policy.
{Ed002's Note - You missed the kick in the balls.}
So if the club created a transfer commitee why the "kid in the candy store". anyways I feel some people can be over critical and BR is still learning his trade, great last season with some mistakes but if you learn from it, it isn't a problem I believe. I also feel that if BR feels they will fit in the team then he will play them. However People are able to have their own opinion and we could still be stuck with Woy and then no one would be happy :-)
{Ed002's Note - You can try and protect Rodgers all you want but come across as one ignorant mf because you want to make fun of a speech impediment someone may have. Personification of true fucking ignorance. This is why folks have a problem with brain dead rubbish like you - spewing hate and ignorance.}
29 Aug 2014 10:48:24
{Ed002's Note - You missed the kick in the balls.}. .
And also "Rodgered"
You mean wodgered! Lol
ED2 - Chill out dude. . . You seem to have it in for BR. Let me educate you - he has revolutionised our style of play with a fast fluent attacking philosophy. Roy was outdated in his role at Anfield and even KIng Kenny wanted Andy Carroll to lump it directly up front. BR may have made a few errors but we are going forward with a true philosophy and its not down to the transfer committee! - I suggest a weekend chill out in New Brighton for you . .
{Ed002's Note - You seem to misunderstand. I have nothing against him and I have previously explained that I like the guy. Is transfer dealings have failed in 87.5% of the cases. The transfer committee is there to help him. The club is in significant debt, largely because of him. The club is in breach of the FFP regulations again, largely because of him. The younger players that everyone was so excited about are leaving - largely because of him. Understand that if he screws up yet again, he will have to go. Why is the truth hard to take? Given that many Liverpool supporters do nothing but trash past, present and potential future players, why do you feel so protective of the man who has the club in this state?}
That is nonsense, sorry.
Non of Brendan's buys have been sold yet so there are no facts to support him making losses for the club. Quite a sensational analysis.
We probably have the fifth biggest squad in terms of squad transfer value, and he took us to second and champs league. If anything he is bringing revenue to the club not debt.
The first likely Brendan signings to be sold are Assaidi and Borini and they look like there will be returns on those investment. Aspas is next, and after his loan with Sevilla will probably get a return. Alberto is a risk and Illori is more than a 2 year investment.
I am not suggesting that Aspas, Assaidi, Borini were good decisions but the club are not going to spiral into debt and Brendan will not lose his job over them.
Also, 19-21 year olds from reserves are not going to walk into team generally which is why they ae being loaned out (Wisdom has a very successfull loan for eg). The youngsters Liveroool are excited about are not leaving.
{Ed002's Note - They have not been able to sell them:
Fabio Borini – club want him sold
Joe Allen – squad player
Oussama Assaidi – club want him sold
Nuri Sahin – loan that never worked out
Samed Yesil – left on loan
Daniel Sturridge – good buy, good price, great return on investment – let’s hope he can work with Balotelli.
Philippe Coutinho – still on the fringe a little but a good buy, good price – will he have a regular place with the new players coming in?
João Carlos Teixeira – high expectations, out on loan – will he ever get a chance
Luis Alberto - left on loan
Iago Aspas - left on loan
Simon Mignolet – played all of last season and team got second place
Kolo Touré – club were willing to let him move on but personal terms could not be agreed
Aly Cissokho – loan that never worked out
Mamadou Sakho – club may well have replaced him with a player they could have bought last year for less than half of what was paid for Kirikou
Tiago Ilori - left on loan
Victor Moses – loan that never worked out
Thanks for all the work that you do on here eds. First time poster (since registering required) and I was just thinking about something that seems to be underlying this discussion: how often do academy players make it as a regular into the first team?
We have a ton of exciting prospects, and I have been a bit disheartened that they aren't given a chance. However, I was curious if I was expecting too much from the youth after seeing how successful Sterling has been on that track. Is there any stats on "success" rates for youth players at their clubs?
Thanks again!
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of stats but they will be out there somewhere.}
Of those players the only real "busts" are Aspas, Borini and Alberto. The rest are either low cost buys that were likely the best we could get in the market at that time, youngsters who didn't quite cut it or TBC.
The Sahko signing is the one that I don't get? He was a lot of ££ and I am not really sure what his role is? Is he meant to be the ball playing CB if so I have not seen it as he looks like he is going to fall over every time he gets the ball OR is he meant to be another enforcer type, again I have not seen that?
As for Allen I think he is very underrated - never going to be top class but the type of squad player a top 4 team needs.
{Ed002's Note - You are kidding - low cost: Borini, Sahin, Allen, Toure?}
Whats your point then? You're rambling.
29 Aug 2014 16:14:03
I understand Ed002 having a go at Brendan. And fair enough, some of it has been humorous. But why would 'Liverpool fans' actually join in this given both the average age of our team and our the job he has done with Sterling, Flanagan etc. He has shown commitment to developing the academy and having the standouts around the first team.
Give him a chance to actually screw up before you start the onslaught maybe?
I said Borini is a bust. Toure and Sahin were free transfers were they not? So only wages?
I think the money we paid for Allen was not too bad?
I like the way you said 'etc' after Sterling and Flanagan as there really isn't another Academy player one could point to and say they actually got a chance under BR.
We paid ~£4M to loan Sahin from Real and then had to pay a penalty as I recall to send him back early.
I'm sure Toure had a nice signing on bonus, probably in the ~£1M-£2M range at least. Plus wages.
{Ed001's Note - yes, when Dalglish was in charge we tried to sign him.}