Liverpool Rumours Archive June 02 2017

02 Jun 2017 20:17:23
Eds. Are you a little surprised how quickly the Salah and VVD interest came about mate? VVD questions had been dismissed for months when everyone asked and neither player were on the latest Sharkopod. I certainly didn't expect either of them tbh. Did VVD come knocking on our door and not us chasing him?

{Ed025's Note - i suspect his agent will have been touting him about KR17 and with liverpool having a shambolic defence they were an obvious target mate..

03 Jun 2017 06:40:34
Of course VVD is desperate to play for LFC, he's only human.

02 Jun 2017 19:52:04
Ok, ok, I know transfer fees are a thing of the past but Southampton apparently have slapped an asking price of £70m for Van Dijk.

It really is becoming a complete joke. So let's sign him and hope for the best aka Lovren. And don't give me this crap that VVD is better than Lovren. Lovren was probably the best CB in the League the season before we signed him.

I would rather pay a bit extra for Salah than make VVD the most expensive defender ever.

Money has ruined the beautiful game.

{Ed025's Note - money has ruined the game max..

02 Jun 2017 20:07:47
we won't push through a move fro 70 mil surely, tell me we won't eds, please!

{Ed025's Note - you wont mate..

02 Jun 2017 20:20:03
And fans will complain why there are increases in ticket prices. It would lead to making VVD the most expensive CB ever along with polishing his brand new supercar and wages which hardly any fan will see in 20 life times.

Lets sign him anyway and let's then have the daggers out for FSG when they decide to raise ticket prices after signing Keita, VVD, Lacazette, Mendy, Mbappe and every other fan driven fantasy signing.

Maybe FSG are not that bad after all.

02 Jun 2017 20:31:32
Money's made the league more exciting fact. Can't believe anyone will be paying £70mil for vvd though, saints are deluded if that's what they're asking for. Lovren to Everton Ed025 :) . you can have Clyne as well. Swaps with Coleman happy days.

{Ed025's Note - i hope you mean our local solid fuel merchant rather than seamus in that swap reaper....i will give you the number for fred carno mate...hes always looking for clowns mate.. :)

02 Jun 2017 20:32:48
Very greedy indeed. Nobody should not sign him out of principle and set an example! You could get Sanchez for £70m 😉.

02 Jun 2017 20:33:19
I'm sure Celtic bought vvd for 2.2 million euro 😂😂😂😂.

{Ed025's Note - it was something like that reusch..

02 Jun 2017 20:33:35
You won't be complaining ed when your sugar daddy bank rolls the next few years at Everton.

{Ed025's Note - your dead right marshy..my principles will go right out the window mate and i make no excuses for that mate...pull up the ladder jack its every man for himself.. :)

02 Jun 2017 20:53:25
Ed the 70m rumours are wide of the mark mate right else we wouldn't be trying to land him?

02 Jun 2017 21:12:14
And why should Ed25 worry we've been bank rolled for years 😁.

02 Jun 2017 21:45:57
Ed25.

Football was ruined as soon as Murdoch got his grubby hands on the game, 1992/ 93 was the death of our fantastic game.

United fans would beg to differ though.

{Ed025's Note - your probably right nicky, i know im a bit of an old codger but i was listening to lee dixon saying how when he walks into the emirates he gets totally ignored by the young gunners who walk past him and dont even acknowledge him even though he is as arsenal stalwart, young kids on loads of dosh who think they are better than having to show respect to him, thats what money has done and its a shame as these are probably the future of the game, sad really mate..

02 Jun 2017 22:39:45
I am too ed25, turned 45 this year!

I'd like to think it's not the same at Anfield. Even though I have a season ticket on the Kop, I quite often get to go to the Carlsberg lounge ( cooperate ) and have sat and had dinner with the likes of Jimmy Case, Fairclough, Phil Neal, Aldo and Alan Kennedy. They are always in and around the club and they often talk about the youngsters etc.

I'm totally old skool mate, grew up watching Merseyside dominating the league.

At least our two teams can say we did it without having to float on the stock exchange ( the red Mancs) or have a sheik pump loads of money into the club in order to achieve success.

03 Jun 2017 23:42:23
If it truly is 70m then we have to walk away.
Only a wage cap and a transfer fee cap could ever stop this escalating madness of spending in football, and we all know that won't happen.
But there are defenders available in europe for around half that fee, who can perform to 80-90% of VVDs level.
The problem is that the super rich clubs like City will simply pay the 70m, or 150m- or whatever it takes to get a player they realy want. And clubs who can't or won't join the mad spending spree will always be second best- barring the odd miracle like Leicester's title win.
If this sport is so money driven that a cb sells for 70m, you do start to ask yourself what it is that we as fans are actually supporting.
Are we supporting a team or filling the pockets of agents and obsecenely overpaid players?
It makes me wonder.

02 Jun 2017 16:53:05
Eds its been said all along that Klopp has his 4 CB's and one won't arrive unless one leaves. With now the likely arrival of VVD, is it fair to say one will indeed go, Gomez the most likely one? that's all asuming we can rectify the situation with VVD-do you beleive we will?

{Ed001's Note - Lovren was given a new contract to protect his value, he is not entirely safe and we would listen to offers.

Klavan similar, we would not dismiss offers out of hand, it is just unlikely anyone will want him.

Gomez is simply the most vulnerable because he is the most in demand. It is more likely he will go out on loan though than be sold.}

02 Jun 2017 18:32:21
Cheers mate, about what I thought. And do YOU think we will sort a deal out for the big man with a Pony tail?

{Ed001's Note - we always sign the players I don't want, so yes it will almost certainly happen. He is very keen to join us.}

02 Jun 2017 18:50:41
Could you see lovren leaving next season and Klopp loaning Gomez out to get 1st team football eds.

02 Jun 2017 18:43:02
So ed001, how are you feeling about Salah then? :P.

{Ed001's Note - meh, not particularly bothered either way.}

02 Jun 2017 19:06:20
You don't sound too enthusiastic Ed001. I guess you're unhappy with our summer plans. Still have faith in Jürgen Klopp?

Personally I trust him to get things right whomever we sign. I questioned the signing of Wijnaldum last summer and was totally proved wrong so I shan't judge any other players until I've seen them under Klopp. Van Dijk for example, is a player I dislike as much as you Ed, but I would trust Klopp to improve his concentration and make him the defender we need!

{Ed001's Note - I believe he wants players he can develop into better players and the players he is targeting are all ones with clear areas that could be improved easily, if the player wants to. So yes, as it comes down to the ability of the coaches to get that improvement and they have shown they can make a significant difference. My faith is not lost, signings are not really anything that excite me particularly anyway. I would rather we signed players to fit our system than the best individual players.}

02 Jun 2017 18:59:21
If you don't mind me asking Ed001 which players would you like to see us go after?

{Ed001's Note - I would like to see us go all in for Mendy and Sessegnon. Other than that, there is no one out there I have seen that would particularly stand out as players I want.}

02 Jun 2017 19:10:41
so ed001,
In an ideal world who would you like us to sign? Im sure a LB is top priority but who would you like?

Personally even tho i feel VVD isn't first priority for us, i think he is still a step up from what we currently have at CB both in passing and aerial power, if he can actually lead from the back and organise that back line then even better.

I feel that salah, VVD, a LB (or 2) and a good RB would be good enough this summer, assuming we don't have unexpected outs.

I haven't even seen Mendy play this season so i can't judge, but im hoping every1 here complaining we've missed another major target are not judging him from youtube compilations and have actually seen him play. Honestly, after last summer with the Wijnaldum saga im more than happy to give Klopp the benefit of bringing anyone he wants.

02 Jun 2017 19:12:03
And by the time i wrote the post above, all my questions were already asked by other posters and answered haha.

02 Jun 2017 19:17:55
Mendy has to be the one. Then either of vvd and salah for me.

Mendy i didn't even think he was a thoght in the back of our minds, let alone an actual option.

02 Jun 2017 19:27:35
Thanks for the reply ed i agree we should go all out to secure our top targets at left back as that is quite cleary our main position of concern.
I do also quite like Salah if we manage to get him especially if he shows the form he has produced in Italy.
I do think a top centre back is required although i'm not sure VVD is the answer.

02 Jun 2017 19:48:00
Of the names mentioned for a CB that we're looking at VVD is the best by a mile.

02 Jun 2017 19:59:59
Cheers for your replys ed. Get ya self a large G and T. Deserved😥😥.

{Ed001's Note - I will let Ed002 have mine but thanks mate.}

02 Jun 2017 21:15:00
I wondered why we'd go all out for VVD, Salah and possibly Keita but not Mendy, turns out he's one of two players ed001 wants. Thanks a lot ed.

{Ed001's Note - some things never change!}

02 Jun 2017 22:21:48
Ed you've got to like that he's very keen to join us especially with Chelsea and city sniffing around.

{Ed001's Note - I guess.}

03 Jun 2017 04:43:48
Hey Ed001, any change in the LB situation after Mendy and Sessegnon are not options now? Sincerely hope Robertson is not who Klopp's turned too coz there are better out there.

{Ed001's Note - best I say nothing then!}

02 Jun 2017 14:54:29
Hi Eds

Re: Sessegnon, you guys have labelled the pursuit failure down to Fulham's bad blood, while others have suggested that it's because Liverpool didn't offer first team opportunities straight away like Spurs did.

Is the truth just a bit of both?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - yes mate. We could have potentially had a deal done before Spurs came in for him anyway.}

02 Jun 2017 15:17:35
Another Dellle Ali mistake?

02 Jun 2017 15:33:53
100% Nicky. This kid is the real deal. It's so obvious!

02 Jun 2017 15:43:06
So, it sounds like that Fulham were reluctantly cooperating with Liverpool, until Spurs came in and Fulham said 'oh, thank god you're here, can you please buy him instead? '

{Ed001's Note - no, that was the point. If we had been able to get Fulham to reluctantly cooperate with us we would have had the deal wrapped up before Spurs came in.}

02 Jun 2017 15:51:49
It's not a mistake, it's a matter of Fulham not wanting to cooperate with us. At least MK Dons were cooperating with Liverpool.

Thanks for the info ed. I suppose you won't hear in the press that Fulham refuse to deal with us.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea what the press will have to say, sorry. I have not read the press in years.}

02 Jun 2017 16:27:20
Possibly down to an inexperienced chief exec new to football?

{Ed001's Note - what has he to do with it? If anything having him is an advantage as he is untarnished by the mess before.}

02 Jun 2017 16:21:18
Can hardly blame Fulham for their stance. We behaved appallingly.

02 Jun 2017 16:30:07
It's not over until it's over, the lad is a Liverpool supporter. Must be something we can do to sign him.

02 Jun 2017 16:45:44
If not Danny rose finished article and would suit us?

02 Jun 2017 16:45:34
Fair do's ed so the offer to sessegnon was on klopp then?

{Ed001's Note - no, it was on the previous regime that tapped up Dempsey and then never made any attempt to smooth things over afterwards.}

02 Jun 2017 21:09:59
Ah that explains it, thanks for the info ed.

{Ed001's Note - welcome.}

02 Jun 2017 13:12:53
Eds I really do not want to seem lazy so I checked buh couldn't find anything. did we actually make a 28mill£ for Salah? . I see it every where but seeing it here will make me believe it. if true then I'm sure we'll reach an agreement with Roma sooner or later.

{Ed025's Note - i believe that is the case HTM and i think an agreement can be reached mate..

02 Jun 2017 14:14:44
Considering they are talking about 50m for Perisic if we can get Salah for 35m who is 5 years younger and coming off a more productive season I think that's decent business.

{Ed025's Note - so do i craig..

02 Jun 2017 14:34:58
I think £35m for Salah is good business all day long. The lad really wants to come and it was our fault it went wrong before. Him and Mane on either flank will be a nightmare to defend against.

02 Jun 2017 14:47:38
Transfered salah to liverpool last ight and let me tell you. It works.

Salah on the left abd mane on the right wowza. Haha.

02 Jun 2017 14:50:04
I agree though it was in slower paced Italy he scored 15 and assist wise 11, in 29 starts and 2 sub appearances, he can play anywhere across the atrack C/ L/ R, so that's more than decent stats wise he is also a very willing defensive runner he will track back close down and try to tackle, 35m I say yes.

02 Jun 2017 12:37:50
Anything new on Naby Keita Eds? seems to have gone quiet.
He kind of reminds me of Essien, looks a quality player, hope we do get him.

{Ed025's Note - interest is still there mike but im not very confident of it happening to be honest mate..

02 Jun 2017 14:05:49
Do you see him happy to stay put at Liepzig or is it just he has no interest in joining us?

{Ed001's Note - they don't want to sell, he is not pushing to leave and they don't need to sell. This has been answered a ton of times already.}

02 Jun 2017 14:08:00
Apparently nothing will be decided until Keita comes back from his holiday, that's what i read!

{Ed025's Note - sounds feasible tadders..

02 Jun 2017 14:47:16
Cheers lads. Pity that, maybe things will change.

03 Jun 2017 12:53:39
I think for this deal to happen it will be after he has seen us make it into to the group stage and dependent on wether RBL will be playing in the CL next season.

02 Jun 2017 11:35:33
Hi Eds.
Any views from around the club in John Flanagan?
I know the loan season didn't go as planned but on the pitch he has never let anyone down and shows the heart of a lion. Will he be given a shot in pre-season?

{Ed025's Note - i very much doubt it fitz..

02 Jun 2017 12:42:35
No definitely, he's barely featured for Burnley. Seems a great honest lad, but his knee injuries have had killed any bit of his speed. Should move to the championship and get a few few seasons under his belt.

02 Jun 2017 13:43:21
I read an article after his breakthrough season that said on average he was taken on more per game than any other full back in the league. That's stuck with me that Maybe we got carried away on him a little. Obviously injuries have struck but maybe he just wasn't as good as we all thought.

02 Jun 2017 14:20:52
I saw him in the bar of the Radisson in Manchester after Burney had been knocked out of the cup, by Lincoln I think? He was caning the beers with Joey Barton, so if he's been hanging out with that bell end and listening to his career advice his is virtually over. Shame as I liked him when he broke through.

{Ed025's Note - comparing him to barton is a terrible thing to say about a bell end pieboy.. :)

02 Jun 2017 14:37:06
Personally think the injuries have taken too much of a toll on him, sorry to say as he was very promising.

02 Jun 2017 15:38:09
Hanging out with Barton? Damn, that's bad news. Thanks Ed and all.

02 Jun 2017 09:39:37
Erm worst thing i have read today.

Crippling tbh. Went light headed an all that.

Mendy wanted us! The most sought after lb probably in europe wanted us and we have lost him now.

Same with vvd and probably with salah.

Tbe ox tho, why. he's always injured. Has sporadic good games where he performs bu5 there so few and far between. Unless its a 7 mil deal then im noy happy with that one.

{Ed025's Note - well...as long as your happy.. :)

02 Jun 2017 09:53:52
"Has sporadic games where he performs"

So just like Gini when he was at Newcastle?

So many people knocked that transfer when he came in but Klopp saw something and he has become a very important part of the first team.

Yes the Ox's injury record is an issue but he's still young. He bulked out way too fast in my opinion and caused stress on his body by doing so. It looked like he was being compared to Walcott too much and as such he decided to bulk up to differentiate himself.

Put on the right training regime for him and I think lots of his fitness issues will go.

Arsenal always seem to have these sort of issues with a number of their players, I wouldn't be too concerned.

02 Jun 2017 10:12:34
This does not take the spotlight away from the point being made. We are an old elite club with midetable wage structure and can't hope to compete with the moneyballers yet. Much as we would like to believe otherwise, the owners are in this for the money and would always have that at the back of their minds. One thing we can be happy about is that we have a wonderful coach who actually improves a team. So be rest assured that whoever he brings in (no matter their cost), would improve the team.

{Ed025's Note - yeah kick those yanks into touch and get the venkys in or even thaksin shinawatra, maybe peter risdale would fancy it?...have a day off mate..

02 Jun 2017 11:21:53
Losing out on mendy is disgraceful.

Again th3 ox an wij aren't comparable.

Wij won the dutch league title hitting double figures then moved to newcastle where he had agai hit double figures.

Ox has had 4/ 5 years in the prem and barely played through injury. Never been that good. Abd as i said had sporadic good games.

02 Jun 2017 11:43:26
Mid table wage structure? hopefully Eds can correct me if I'm wrong but we are the third highest wage payers in the league, and eds have repeatedly stated we need to sell first, I'm not happy with the changes in mind, contract wise but 180k for VVD wow, players are going where the money is and not for reasonable amounts but extortionate in my opinion, what happened to players that wanted to pull on the shirt and create their own history I'd wait for those players over high priced no heart, transfer to another team when the trophies aren't coming in types football is changing power wise an not for the better can't wait for a wage cap.

02 Jun 2017 11:46:54
"Midtable Wage Structure" Are you serious? Our wage bill is around £200 million. That is in the top 10 of world football. Juventus have a wage bill of £181 million, Atletico Madrid £86 million and Spurs £120 million. You should really start doing your research before you start spouting rubbish. The fact is we have been mugged off in the past with high wages, agent fee's etc. The club needs to get this under control.

Like has been said previously by others, I don't want a high wage culture at the club where every player is looking over their shoulder at how much their team mates are getting paid. Pay competitively but not stupidly.

02 Jun 2017 12:00:35
Couldn't agree more Wirralred, I know everyones a fan but it helps to actually look into our clubs well being in all areas before demanding we give players what they want, your an owner whos already shells out 200m for current players that just about scrapped into the UCL is the idea to pay more or to get more for your money, I know what I'd do, I personally think the money teams like city and united pay for transfers and wages is ridiculous a 40-45m GK jog on son.

02 Jun 2017 12:24:34
Ive said it on numerous occasions, that FSG are all about the money. I remember asking the eds if Klopp would get the full backing, to which u replied yes. There is no point agreeing to pay a transfer fee when you won't pay the wages, and to keep leaking it to the Liverpool Echo that we are going to spend X amount. Give it a rest FSG and stop trying to make a fool out of us fans.

02 Jun 2017 12:24:39
Anyone know what Mendey was asking for? I mean if it was £100,000 a week I'd say we probably should be paying that, if it was £200,000 perhaps we've done the right thing.

02 Jun 2017 15:11:01
People realize that FSG brought Klopp in aye? He didn't just fall out of yhe sky or force JWH and co to make him manager or else. and yea, in't funny how the guys who invest the money are about the money? I wonder why. take eds advice and forget money.

02 Jun 2017 17:57:43
I think so many people miss the point when it comes to this topic. Regardless of whether FSG are in it for the money or not, the only way for them to get to the money is by building a strong profitable and sustainable business that demonstrates continuous growth. In other words a club that can finance itself whilst continually improving on and off the pitch. Isn't this what we all want? If we want to dominate at the top end for years to come we need to have a solid foundation. Be patient we are moving in the right direction.

02 Jun 2017 21:54:39
Exactly Slimz. Making money and being a competitive / successful title-challenging club are not mutually exclusive.

03 Jun 2017 23:55:54
Bottom line is nobody knows anything about the negotiations and people like the OP and Xpertoyin, need to stop spouting rubbish about the owners not paying the crazy wages players want. No one knows how much mendy was offered and how much more City put in for him and if he wants to go there then so be it.

We have been mugged in the past and we are trying to put a lid on things bu the FIFA Manager generation just can't figure that out as all they know is buying players for whatever wages on a video game. We need to be competitive in our wage offers and we must learn to live within our means. "A midtable wage structure". Utter nonsense and shows that you know nothing about LFC's wage bill as more successful clubs than ours don't even pay what we pay. Like Ed said, have a day off, X. You need it.

01 Jun 2017 20:47:08
Long time everyone.

Hope all is well.

VVD is or was very close to signing until FSG did there usual lo balling, offer one wage and try and change last minute, they need to be careful with this one, they have a guy desperate to play for Klopp, .

Thats all i have really for news other than the usual rumours, Salah is very much wanted, and the Ox is supposedly close.

Mendy wanted us but they offered a silly wage, looks like FSG will pay the transfer fee but again keep trying to pay lower wages than the others.

Cheers

Macca.

02 Jun 2017 00:26:04
Great to see you back, Macca, you have very much been missed.

About Ox, do you know how advanced talks are? How much money we are willing to spend?

Also regarding Mendy, typical Liverpool negotiations. We really are the worst, most incompetent, team to negotiate with. Why would FSG be willing to pay what must be a lot of money for Mendy, only to lo ball the player at the very end on wages? I just don't get it. Both Van Dijk and Mendy might very well go elsewhere because of these childish antics and then what. we will over spend on transfers and wages to bring in a third or fourth choice player in that position, panic because they know they messed up.

If Liverpool are to challenge on all fronts then we need to be able to compromise on certain things. Wages, you can meet the player half way, but don't insult them.

Madness.

02 Jun 2017 00:43:31
Welcome back Macca. I must admit, if VvD really wants to come to us, then the restructuring of his wage shouldn't make too much of a difference, should it unless he is money based and if that's the case, he can bugger off elsewhere? I remember God coming back for his second stint, when he allegedly said, he didn't care how much he was paid, he just wanted to play for the club again! Saying all that, we are just being our usual selves again and that needs to stop, if we really want these deals done!

02 Jun 2017 01:56:49
Great to see you back Macca, really hope we aren't shooting ourselves in the foot over wages, it feels all too familiar except instead of penny pinching over the transfer fee, its wages instead! Will be sad if we miss out on our main targets for all too familiar reasons.

Have you heard any news on Naby Keita by any chance? Would love us to pull that one off.

02 Jun 2017 02:06:11
Welcome back Macca - good news and colour and hopefully something is resolved around both. VVD and Salah would go 60% of the way to strengthening things.

Dissappointed in Sessegnon though as feels like he could be another Delle Ali, and we clearly have space in the squad for a young first teamer at LB (if he somehow fails to step up we would always have Milner or even Gomez that can play backup - risk would really be on him, not us) .

Main priority at LB though is a first teamer and sincerely hope we go for someone with real quality. Mendy, Gaya or Pereira (and can then play Milner at RB with TAA coming through) would do nicely thanks.

02 Jun 2017 02:14:24
It's been a while Macca, welcome back. Thanks for the information as always and while it's great that you cleared up couple of things, it certainly is disappointing FSG continue to not learn how to get deals done. If they want success, you need to be able to pay top price for it usually and they still have not learned it in 7 years it seems.

02 Jun 2017 05:46:57
Thanks Macca. VVD, Salah and Ox, for me that will be quite good.

02 Jun 2017 07:01:32
Really don't want the ox.

02 Jun 2017 07:20:09
Hi Macca, great to hear from you and hope the business is going well!

I think if we were able to pull of all those we'd have had a very good summer!

Finger crossed we can get a few done still notwithstanding the messing around.

02 Jun 2017 07:25:31
so the owners are holding liverpool back.

{Ed025's Note - FSG do not have unlimited funds im afraid grajac, holding you back is a bit harsh as i think they are doing their best and have paid off a lot of debt as well as improved the stadium and bought players, some supporters wont be happy unless liverpool are buying players for sqilllions of pounds and paying them ridiculous wages mate..

02 Jun 2017 07:26:30
always great to have you back.

02 Jun 2017 07:48:05
Cheers for the update/ returning Macca, always interesting to hear what you say.

Find it odd that we are lo balling players now - as has been mentioned by others our reputation isn't exactly glowing in the footballing world right now due to previous transgressions so why carry on with these sorts of stupid games? I mean I understand that we cannot pay out infinite wages but surely the best way to approach it is to be upfront with a player: 'this is what we are prepared to offer'. Carrying on like 'we'll give you this' - players agrees - 'actually no we'll give you lower, still going to sign though right? ' It's just phenomenally amateurish from the club - we clearly haven't learnt any lessons and are clearly falling into the same pattern of mistakes when it comes to negotiations. If we do not land our targets the blame will rest squarely on the shoulders of the owners/ negotiators.

02 Jun 2017 08:11:36
Know you are incredibly busy these days, really appreciate the update macca you total legend.

02 Jun 2017 08:52:49
Ps hope the new business Ed mentioned is doing well👍🏻.

02 Jun 2017 08:52:49
ED025,

You won't hear this much on this page, but I completely agree mate. People have very short memories when it comes to what our owners have done for us so far. Yes they are not perfect, but to say they don't spend any money is ridiculous. We have cleared a lot of debt, expanded the stadium brilliantly with potentially more to come, brought in a world class manager who won't be cheap and with that, have led us back in to champions league football.

{Ed025's Note - your preaching to the converted there smp, there are 16 other teams in the league who would bite your arm off to be in liverpools position right now yet im hearing such doom and gloom, when FSG took over from the chuckle brothers administration was knocking at the door and as far as i can see everything they have done has been positive, your not chelsea or man city and lets be honest who would want to be?, liverpool is a proper club and has proper values so be proud of that mate..

02 Jun 2017 11:12:15
Absolutely spot on Ed025!

02 Jun 2017 13:37:52
I think there is a point to be made that whatever the faults of FSG are, they aren't a certain pair of crooks.

{Ed025's Note - your right there FMS..

02 Jun 2017 13:47:03
Absolutely spot on Ed025! +1.

02 Jun 2017 14:32:49
Seem to remember we did Excactly the same to a young Michael Laudrup many years ago.
Don't blame FSG. It's (unfortunatly) nothing new.