Liverpool Rumours Archive May 06 2011
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06 May 2011 23:12:22
Heyy guys :)
i really hoop we get Ibrahim Affelay or Aaron Lennon :). On the BBC Sport Football Gossip coloumn it says: Tottenham are willing to sell Aaron Lennon for £15m following a breakdown in his relationship with manager Harry Redknapp. But if we don't get Lennon then we could get Adam Johnson who is really good :), he is another one who doesn't like his manager. It defo looks like Jose Enrique is a done deal according to Guillem Balague and Slyvian Marveaux is pretty much done. This is the team I really think could challenge for champions league and maybe premiership.
Reina
Johnson Carragher Skrtel/ Agger/ Cahill Cissokho
Lucas Merieles
Kuyt/ Suarez Gerrard Johnson/ Lennon/ Afellay
Carroll
I know its a doubtful team but I really don't know what I want to do over wingers because we've got Kuyt and Suarez can play on the LW and Gerrard is really good at his best and we need Carroll and Suarez so i just don't know what to do in midfield. Kuyt has been good this season, and we need suarez and carroll on the pitch but where to play, anyone got any suggestions ?? :/
06 May 2011 23:18:12
Is it just me who finds that Hulk is slightly over-rated?
Yes, he offers alot to the physical side of the game, but we already have an abundance of that up front with Carroll and Kuyt. Hulk very rarely plays on the left aswell. He tends to play on the right for Porto due to Falcao which is not we need, width is the key for us and i'm not too sure about his pace or crossing?
I wouldn't want to waste money on him. I've just seen that a few people have been linking him with us the past couple of weeks so thought i'd share my opinion!
Stu.
06 May 2011 22:47:43
Little talk on the kop last week was about a striker coming in who is willing to play a bit part an be happy with a subs role. Only kenny could bring him back as it would split the fans, his name Michael Owen. What do you think?
06 May 2011 22:37:41
Heard a few weeks ago that the reds were going to snap up a big London based player. I have since heard that this player is non other than Gareth Bale. No fee was mentioned however, on some sites today, they mentioned that Comolli going after a target that will 'shock and delight reds fans' I understand Bale is also a reds fan although many say they are so not sure on that! Have you heard anything about this ED?? I think it would be one hell of a statement and would end any interest in Young! Please post in rumours! Thanks. {Ed001's Note - I think there is more chance of me winning the lottery to be honest, especially as he is clearly not a Liverpool fan.}
06 May 2011 22:16:38
Liverpool have already signed marevuex reckon we will move for afellay 9m tops as he wanted a move to us in january but barcelona just moved quicker and he would be in the starting XI for us also jose enrique will sign 9m-12m decent left back and spainsh so would keep renia happy expect us to move for payet 7m-10m pacey and can score goals from a wide position also matt jarvis will be targeted by kenny if wolves go down or stay up cheaper if he goes down if relegated 6m-9m stay up 9m-12m as they will need to lower wage budget has made the most crosses in premiership this year gives us two good options on the left as does payet and kuyt and afellay can play on either side also there will be a big name signing 20m-40m spent on him reckon it will be pastore or benzema hopefully pastore as he has a bit of gerrard about but with added flair also expect us to move for either blauise matuidi 6m-10m or m'vila 14m-18m prefer m'vila more talented iof the two players but matuidi cheaper and more experinced option and phil jones to sign as he will struggle to play for united vidic smalling and ferdinand are all now rotated as fredinand isn't fully fit leaving will be krygiakos , poulsen and other fringe players raising maye 10 to 15 million and then some youth players will be released expect more youngsters to come onto the scene next year like conor coady and suso also ngoo and pacheco will see a few more games under kenny as he helped norwich to a premier league spot and gained valuable experince
06 May 2011 21:15:05
I live in france and moussa sissoko has stated on several occasions if he leaves it will be to play in the champions league so we could well miss out on him if we are truly interested in the first place. also the rumours over here are that matuidi is to be our new defensive midfielder
06 May 2011 21:09:08
Expect news regarding the demolishing of the Anfield road to break soon - Redevelopment on the way folks!
Main stand to be redeveloped once Anfield road finished - ending in a capacity circa 60,000+
Keep your eyes peeled kids ;-)
Pricey x
heard this today also but i was told that work would start end of the season got posted on banter page and ed shot me down did you hear anythin on when it begins
cheers kopman
Very reliable source who has 'staked his reputation' on it mate - I think he said work due to begin at the end of May. I'm a little bit sceptical of it myself as i live in Liverpool, grew up in Anfield, and there's been nothing about planning applications etc but seriously hoping it's true! !
Cheers, Pricey ;-)
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A friend of mine who owns one of the few houses left on Lothair Road has already been approached by a firm in town, who claim to be operating on behalf of the club, about purchasing his property. He's certain they're redeveloping but doesn't have a definite date. Also, a building firm approached his tenant offering to buy the house for about £15,000 over the going rate, so they must be sure it will be happening and expect the club to pay well over the odds because there's no way anyone would buy a house there anymore as an investment, especially now a lot of the regeneration money has been pulled. So two potential purchasers in a street that you couldn't give a house away leads me to believe that our home will be redeveloped, and I for one am all in favour.
06 May 2011 21:09:37
Aguero could happen this summer, he stayed with maxi over christmas in liverpool and as maxi looks to be set to stay at least another season and athletico are openly saying Aguero could leave provided he pays the tax on a transfer fee personally then the decision appears to be with the player. Maverick
06 May 2011 20:08:33
06 May 2011 19:41:42
Hello fellow Reds, I have drew up a list of players that I expect to sign. According to my men anyway.
Juan Mata/ Adam Johnson
Ashley Young
Phil Jones
Moussa Sissoko
Jose Enrique
Karim Benzema
Xavier Martoez
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Is this likely to happen Ed? {Ed001's Note - I very much doubt all of them will come in.}
06 May 2011 20:08:42
I've heard off quite a reliable source that Liverpool have already agrred a fee with Newcastle to sign Enrique. The Adam deal will be done in the summer regardless whether Blackpool stay up or go down. Strong links with Downing, with an official enquiry to Villa made. I think We will sign Downing + another winger which would result in Kuyt being used more as a striker next season.
I've heard that Phil Jones from Blackburn is believed to be the next big thing and wouldn't be suprised if we make a move for him.
Hopefully with the above signings and clearing out abit of deadwood we could be seeing Champions League football again at Anfield very soon! !
06 May 2011 19:41:42
Hello fellow Reds, I have drew up a list of players that I expect to sign. According to my men anyway.
Juan Mata/ Adam Johnson
Ashley Young
Phil Jones
Moussa Sissoko
Jose Enrique
Karim Benzema
Xavier Martoez
06 May 2011 19:49:43
Juventus Meet With Agent Of Atletico Madrid's Sergio Aguero - Report
The Argentina international is reportedly one of the top candidates to strengthen Juve's attack this summer and his agent will meet with the Turin side on Friday
Goal.com
So they are going to buy aguero but won't pay full price for aquilani? don't think so
06 May 2011 19:27:48
So Macca is saying Adam Johnson is certain? That's good enough for me, get in there you beauty! {Ed001's Note - no, he said it wasn't him who posted that.}
06 May 2011 19:28:15
Sorry to spoil the redevelopment of Anfield Road rumour but there are things you need to know.
There has to be a 'Validated' Planning Application in with the Council for any development. That could mean all requisite paperwork, environmental and ecological studies completed and a host of other odds and ends before the Council even accept the Planning Application as 'Valid'.
Once that is done and the appropriate fee paid up front the Public are invited to comment and that could take 6 - 8 weeks at least. Presuming there are no objections the Plans would then be put to the appropriate Committee and a decision made.
Add another 3 or 4 weeks for that to happen. Its not the same with every Council in the land but you will see from that brief timetable that its going to be close to the start of the 2011 - 2012 season. My bet - No rebuild until the end of next season at least.
06 May 2011 18:42:13
To my friend asking about Adam Johnson, Kenny and Commoli rate him higher than Downing and with him reportedly handing in a Transfer Request, Interest has been ignited. Chelsea enquired about the avaliabilty and where touted at £19million. I do believe though there could be a serious chance of signing him.
Also, Moussa Sissoko is extremely likely to sign.
Xavier Martoez
06 May 2011 18:37:38
{Ed001's Note - Gervinho has come out and said he only wants to join a team playing in the Champions League.}
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But unfortunately for him (Gervinho) champions league clubs are not interested in him (as far as I know). Arsenal is a very small maybe, but the rest of the clubs chasing him will be playing Europa at best.
Roy
06 May 2011 17:10:17
Glen Johnson is buying a new home in formby so he's going no were which I'm happy bout woolster
06 May 2011 16:47:47
Good afternoon ed can you rate these players out of ten to come to liverpool
honda , young, bojan, benzema, allefay, sahin, m'villa, taarabt, sakho
lennon {Ed002's Note - 4, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4, 2, 4}
06 May 2011 16:46:54
Liverpool are preparing a bid for cavani, kk wants him and Suarez in a 4 3 3 with carrol, bid of 17 m plus pacheao will placed but more Lilly to be 20 m + pacheao. We are also preparing a bid for m'vila for 16.25 m. (eds do you think those three strikers could create a lethal partnership) {Ed001's Note - yes, but then anyone who would not get in Suarez's way would be good to play with them. Though I would prefer to stick with 4-4-2 myself.}
06 May 2011 16:36:34
Expect news regarding the demolishing of the Anfield road to break soon - Redevelopment on the way folks!
Main stand to be redeveloped once Anfield road finished - ending in a capacity circa 60,000+
Keep your eyes peeled kids ;-)
Pricey x
heard this today also but i was told that work would start end of the season got posted on banter page and ed shot me down did you hear anythin on when it begins
cheers kopman
Very reliable source who has 'staked his reputation' on it mate - I think he said work due to begin at the end of May. I'm a little bit sceptical of it myself as i live in Liverpool, grew up in Anfield, and there's been nothing about planning applications etc but seriously hoping it's true! !
Cheers, Pricey ;-)
06 May 2011 16:36:52
Reina
Johnson Sakho Agger Enrique
Gerrard Mereiles
Young Suarez Hulk
Carroll
Sakho-15m
Enrique-10m
Young-17m
Hulk-30m
Adam-8m
=80million
06 May 2011 16:22:39
Expect news regarding the demolishing of the Anfield road to break soon - Redevelopment on the way folks!
Main stand to be redeveloped once Anfield road finished - ending in a capacity circa 60,000+
Keep your eyes peeled kids ;-)
Pricey x
heard this today also but i was told that work would start end of the season got posted on banter page and ed shot me down did you hear anythin on when it begins
cheers kopman
06 May 2011 16:00:18
Aguero could happen this summer, he stayed with maxi over christmas in liverpool and as maxi looks to be set to stay at least another season and athletico are openly saying Aguero could leave provided he pays the tax on a transfer fee personally then the decision appears to be with the player. Maverick
06 May 2011 15:42:04
New poster here. . . . . . . .
Expect news regarding the demolishing of the Anfield road to break soon - Redevelopment on the way folks!
Main stand to be redeveloped once Anfield road finished - ending in a capacity circa 60,000+
Keep your eyes peeled kids ;-)
Pricey x
06 May 2011 15:43:10
Gevinho wants CL football. Source: Skysports.
"At the end of the season, me and my advisors will speak to the club and see what to do but if I am leaving a club which will play in the Champions League, I will only go to one who is in the Champions League."
That might take Liverpool out of the equation then?
-Witto.
06 May 2011 15:30:37
I know this seems unlikely and far fetched but just think about it, we could possibly get Samir Nasri and Adam Johnson in the summer. Johnson isn't happy under Mancini, so if the manager isn't sacked he will be on his way out. As for Nasri, he will only have a year remaining on his contract as of the summer and isn't looking like signing a new one, for whatever reason. If our summer signings are to be as ambitious as our January ones (which doesn't seem the case at the moment wit Jose Enrique apparantly being a done deal) then we should go for these players. Is this possible Ed?
Also, is it true that Liverpool had a £28m bid for Aguero in January rejected? Apparantly we have said that the offer is still standing for the summer if Atletico change their minds, not that the signing is at all likely. {Ed001's Note - we did ask about Aguero, but I don't believe any formal bid was made at all, I was told they basically said he was going nowhere in Jan. Johnson is unhappy with Mancini but it looks likely Mancini is leaving as City, they have been knocked back in a move for Jose Mourinho recently for instance. As for Nasri, I am not sure he is what we need, he is yet another central attacking midfielder, though it does seem likely he might be on the move soon.}
06 May 2011 15:37:34
06 May 2011 15:03:48
Brace yourselves for more Auguro rumours. Twitter is going mad for it, theyre saying the reason maxi has come out and said he wants to stay, even as a bit part player! I for one won't believe these rumours but im guessing there will be a fair few that will!
KTG {Ed001's Note - they are right about Maxi, he does want to stay, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will.}
Juventus Meet With Agent Of Atletico Madrid's Sergio Aguero - Report
The Argentina international is reportedly one of the top candidates to strengthen Juve's attack this summer and his agent will meet with the Turin side on Friday
Goal.com
06 May 2011 15:37:56
Liverpool have emerged as favourites to sign Valencia forward Juan Manuel Mata, with Manchester City now concentrating on signing Spurs star Gareth Bale.
story comes from sportingo.com don't know how realiable the thing is like but fingers crossed!
what u think ed? {Ed001's Note - I don't know how reliable it is either sorry, but we have shown consistent interest in him. I would not expect us to move for him though, simply because I want us to!}
06 May 2011 15:29:11
Liverpool will sign Ibrahim Affellay and Aaron Lennon instead of Ashley Young and Stewart Downing as they are just as good and quite a bit cheaper
Im pretty sure you will find that lennon doesn't like liverpool and therefore wouldn't play for us! i think there is a video on youtube with his sidlike towards us
LeeWils
06 May 2011 15:14:28
Hi Ed, Ed 2.0, ed, eds, Ed002 et al,
I have read some stories about Affelay being unsettled due to only four starts this season, I seem to remember we looked at him before he agreed to join Barca and he looks a decent, young prospect to develop with more playing time. Have any of the team (of editors) heard of any interest or is it an agent kicking up dust to see what settles where? Could you rate the likelihood of us having serious interest please.
Also I have been reading Readies book about the previous owners and it reminded me of the week last Sept when it all went off in the boardroom, the courts and any hidden location that the deal-makers met and being off work that week watching it all on the site was immense it still is one of the most intense experiences I have had as a fan and that's as one who attends every home game and used to attend every away game for seventeen years. Thanks again to you and the fellow reds who were pitching in, it really felt like we were connected through the site. The book is a very interesting read (Read) by the way and has shown how close we were to real difficulty, Kenny is back and going the match feels like it should do again.
(Arise Sir Kenneth. . about time I think! )
YNWA. {Ed001's Note - the Afellay stories are just an attempt to get him more first team football from what I can find out. He doesn't seem to have any real interest in leaving, just wants more playing time. The takeover was hard work, I don't think I slept for about 4 days at the end of it. Every time it seemed to be sorted something would come out of the States, usually just as I decided to call it a night and go to bed!}
06 May 2011 15:03:48
Brace yourselves for more Auguro rumours. Twitter is going mad for it, theyre saying the reason maxi has come out and said he wants to stay, even as a bit part player! I for one won't believe these rumours but im guessing there will be a fair few that will!
KTG {Ed001's Note - they are right about Maxi, he does want to stay, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will.}
06 May 2011 14:48:26
Liverpool will sign Ibrahim Affellay and Aaron Lennon instead of Ashley Young and Stewart Downing as they are just as good and quite a bit cheaper
06 May 2011 14:45:36
Any realistic chance of Hulk eds?? and if so how much would he cost to us or who ever end up buying him {Ed002's Note - A slim chance but don't hold your breath. Value, perhaps £25M or so.}
06 May 2011 14:38:42
Ed i've heard a lot of reports about Ibrahim Afellay are these true {Ed002's Note - I don't know what you have heard.}
06 May 2011 14:29:51
Liverpool Ins
£12M- Charlie Adam
£18M- Honda
£6M- James Mccarthy
£12-16M- Gary Cahill
£15- Aaron Lennon
£8-10M Jose Enrique
free - Mavereux- french guy already signed
Liverpool Outs
£16M- Aquilani- Milan/ Juventus
£3-5M Maxi Rodriquez- Villareal/ Getafe/ Mallorca
£10M Joe Cole- Spurs/ West Ham-Could be used in Swap deal For Lennon Harry Redknapp is ready to sell saying the player after a few bust ups this season, he is also a fan of Joe Cole.
£2M Christian Poulson
£1m Degen
£2.5M Konchesky
£4M El Zhar
£6M Jovanovic- Wolfsburg/ Dortmund/ Leverkusen/ Bremen
£5-6M Ngog
also expect Liverpool/ Utd/ Spurs and Man City to fight for Ashley Young Signature, If We fail Expext a January Bid for Bojan or Hulk
06 May 2011 14:09:04
Hi ed. do you think Elia is still an option. would he be a second choice if other deals didn't work out?
irishred {Ed002's Note - He was considered in January and Liverpool walked away from the price being quoted - about £10-12M.}
06 May 2011 13:54:57
"06 May 2011 13:34:20
ONE forward is deifinitely coming in. It will be either Alvaro Negredo, Gervinho or Mario Gomez.
ONE winger is going to come in - options include Ibrahim Afellay, Aaron Lennon or Eden Hazard.
ONE half-back is coming in. No centre-backs are coming in. The half-back most likely to join is Jose Enrique.
FIVE first-team players will be moving on. This includes Christian Poulsen, Milan Jovanovic, Paul Konchesky, Alberto Aquilani and Sotrios Kyrgiakos.
Our team is likely to be something like this:
Starting 11: J. Reina, J. Enrique, J. Carragher, D. Agger, G. Johnson, L. Leiva, S. Gerrard, R. Meireles, I. Afellay, L. Suarez, A. Carroll.
Bench: B. Jones, M. Skrtel, M. Kelly, D. Kuyt, M. Rodriguez, J. Cole, Gervinho."
One winger? Maybe, if we play a forward three with Suarez out wide it'd work to only have one on the pitch, but to only have one in the entire squad defies logic when we need width. Either way i doubt it'd be Hazard, Lennon or Affelay.
06 May 2011 13:48:39
ED, What are the chances of Athletic Bilbao's young winger/ forward Iker Muniain making the switch to LFC? Has he been watched by our scouts? And how realistic is the possibility of signing him?
Thanks
Glov3z the Red {Ed002's Note - Possible, he looks like a 5.}
06 May 2011 13:49:02
Guyz, though Young quoted he wants champions league football, that won't rule out us . Recent revival , the arrival of Carrol & Suarez + LFC spending heavily this summer will attract Young.( I think the club will try to explain our plans to Young to convince him ). Kenny is very very much interested in him , he is our no. 1 target
06 May 2011 13:48:27
Ed on your opinion out of 10 what would the chances of each of these happening, Sakho, MVila, M Sissoko, Marveaux, A Johnson, Gervinho, Hazard ?
Keep up the good work
Cheers, Aussie red {Ed002's Note - 4, 4, 5, 9, 3, 6, 0}
06 May 2011 13:39:13
"{Ed002's Note - I agree with the statement that it is taken in to account with respect to sustainability but that is light years from not including it in the figures. I tried, without luck, to find out how this 16.58% of Liverpool suddenly ended up in the hands of a third party. This was a couple of weeks ago and I will try again. If I can get an answer and if there is no reason for it not to be put in the public domain, then I will post it. I suspect that it will be one of two things: (a) NESV/ FSG dividing up ownership of Liverpool by the same percentiles as the ownership is divided for NESV/ FSG. This would be fine but then there is a question of who gave LeBron James his tiny percentage as I assume it would have been a breach of some form of consortium agreement; (b) some form of simple stock trade, possibly including some cash to aid the original purchase, that will eventually see the NYT exit all involvement with NESV/ FSG. I really can't see in either case that there will be any impact on teh club itself.}"
Forgive me but who said it was not included in the figures? If you can dig out any info i'm sure i won't be alone in being very interested. If i were a betting man i'd say your scenario B is pretty much spot on - NYT were always going to extricate themselves and hopefully once they do that'll stop all the conspiracy theories about Carlos Slim. ;)
As for Forbes - i've always struggled to see how such ballpark figures are of such interest to fans, there has never been a truly accurate way of valuing football clubs and there likely never will.
Btw, being US based, what are your thoughts on the LeBron James deal? Is it a shrewd business move to accrue free advertising for the club and expand the brand or is his position as a polarising figure going to blow up in our faces?
{Ed002's Note - The debt is not included in the figures as it has no impact on the value of the club. In the same way as a mortgage has no impact on the value of a house. I agree that (b) is a likely scenario even though (a) may be used to dismiss the whole issue. It would be great if we can find out conclusively. Forbes do not put the figures out for the fans - in this respect, Forbes business is simply producing "rich lists". I am American but not US based. The whole LeBron James thing is simply paying his business in stock to provide marketing, imaging services etc.. It is always considered better to pay in stock as it is in the interests of the associate business to do a bang-up job as the end results could be reflected in the value of that stock.}
06 May 2011 13:34:20
ONE forward is deifinitely coming in. It will be either Alvaro Negredo, Gervinho or Mario Gomez.
ONE winger is going to come in - options include Ibrahim Afellay, Aaron Lennon or Eden Hazard.
ONE half-back is coming in. No centre-backs are coming in. The half-back most likely to join is Jose Enrique.
FIVE first-team players will be moving on. This includes Christian Poulsen, Milan Jovanovic, Paul Konchesky, Alberto Aquilani and Sotrios Kyrgiakos.
Our team is likely to be something like this:
Starting 11: J. Reina, J. Enrique, J. Carragher, D. Agger, G. Johnson, L. Leiva, S. Gerrard, R. Meireles, I. Afellay, L. Suarez, A. Carroll.
Bench: B. Jones, M. Skrtel, M. Kelly, D. Kuyt, M. Rodriguez, J. Cole, Gervinho.
06 May 2011 12:48:49
Sakho, MVila, M Sissoko, Marveaux, A Johnson, Gervinho, Lukaku
06 May 2011 12:06:58
I'm not bothered that we may have to look elsewhere than Ashley Young, since he said publicly he wants CL footie, and maybe thus given a hint about where he'd like to go.
We'll get CL the following season anyway, so its not like he would have to wait a long time with LFC, but I was talking to a Villa fan and she wasn't even bothered by him leaving.
She said he's well known for turning it on in an England shirt, but not performing quite so much for Villa.
I think for 15mill plus that they would want, add in another 5mill, and we could look at targeting near world-class wingers, and much more consistent ones.
I reckon Man U's interest would be a blessing in disguise, if its true.
Let them have him, we can do better.
06 May 2011 11:51:49
Ashley Young being quoted on radio as 'wanting champions league football'
Guess that indicates he is not likely to join LFC. . .im not that bothered tbh
Sven
06 May 2011 11:33:43
Sorry to be a nuisance, but surely the club is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it? Considering NESV/ FSG paid around £300 million, surely that's all the clubs worth?
If anything, the low valuation probably shows just how stupid H&G's lawsuit is, and how overvalued the club was considering the chaos before the takeover.
{Ed002's Note - It is not what the club is worth that is in question here, it is what the club is valued at. As for the H&G case, it is nothing to do with the value of the club per se, it is to do with there being a better offer on the table to buy the club, with that offer being rejected by RBS.}
06 May 2011 11:36:43
06 May 2011 10:27:37
06 May 2011 08:35:40
So Liverpool made a loss of £20 million for the last finacial year, but the value of the club has went up 16% since the takeover! Nice work if you could afford it!
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - The two are not quite so easily related and the club has actually be devalued by Deloittes over the past year by 33% to £332M or so as shown on the latest Forbes list.}
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Ok, I could have sworn I read it on a Deliottes page in the last 2 days.
The Irish Rover
{Ed002's Note - The Forbes 2011 Entry for Liverpool - note the -33%:
Placement #9
Club: Liverpool
Country: England
League: Barclays Premier League
Owner/ Majority Shareholder: John Henry, Tom Werner
Stadium: Anfield (Seating Capacity:45, 300)
Current Value: $552 mil
1-yr Value Change (U.S.): -33%
Revenues: $276 mil}
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My bad ed, It was an article by Mike Oznian on a Forbes blog. What he actually said was the club is worth 16% more than Nesv paid for it. Which just goes to prove you should always read things twice. :-)
The Irish Rover
{Ed002's Note - No problem, but at least there was some interesting discussion resulting from it.}
06 May 2011 11:29:05
"{Ed002's Note - The values reflect the market value of the clubs and not the value adjusted for "debt" otherwise your argument would value Chelsea as a negative - or taking it the other way as at more than £1B. You simply need to accept that the value of Liverpool has been downgraded. The easist way to figure this out is to value the 16.58% no longer owned by NESV/ FSG. I will see if I can have someone let me have detail on it.}"
I have no problem accepting the value of the club has gone down, i would expect no less. However that point is mutually exclusive to the one i'm making about Forbes and their valuations. They most certainly do take debt into account, but it's the sustainability of the debt that is the main factor hence why Chelsea would certainly not be downgraded and Barca have taken a bit of a hit - "Forbes executive editor Mike Ozanian says Barcelona's decline is due to "a combination of high debt, a stronger U.S. dollar and uncertainty surrounding the financial stability of the media company that broadcasts their games."
Forbes system for calculating value has always been a bit off, but they the assertion that debt is not in any way taken into account i'm afraid is a falsehood. A few years ago Forbes placed greater emphasis on longer term sponsorship contracts (Liverpool did well from it), but recently that has started to be less of a driving factor as it is seen as binding clubs that aren't reliant on the income to secure against debt repayments, construction etc as being potentially constrictive.
I'd still be interested to see those figures though. ;)
{Ed002's Note - I agree with the statement that it is taken in to account with respect to sustainability but that is light years from not including it in the figures. I tried, without luck, to find out how this 16.58% of Liverpool suddenly ended up in the hands of a third party. This was a couple of weeks ago and I will try again. If I can get an answer and if there is no reason for it not to be put in the public domain, then I will post it. I suspect that it will be one of two things: (a) NESV/FSG dividing up ownership of Liverpool by the same percentiles as the ownership is divided for NESV/FSG. This would be fine but then there is a question of who gave LeBron James his tiny percentage as I assume it would have been a breach of some form of consortium agreement; (b) some form of simple stock trade, possibly including some cash to aid the original purchase, that will eventually see the NYT exit all involvement with NESV/FSG. I really can't see in either case that there will be any impact on teh club itself.}
06 May 2011 11:11:53
"{Ed002's Note - I think your knowledge of economics needs brushing up. The size of the debt is entirely irrelevant with respect to the value of a club. Use a house as an example. You might own a house worth £500k with no mortgage. Having a £100k mortgage on the property does not reduce its value.
One of the significant issues for restricting the loss was Champions League involvement. What is not clear yet is whether the figures take account of the first year of teh Standard Chartered sponsorship or not.}"
With respect i think your analogies are the aspect needing attention as in this case it is flawed. Forbes certainly takes debt into consideration when making its assessment of value, estate agents do not. They look at the risk of debt against the revenue stream.
Take Chelsea for example (a page i'm assuming you are well aware of) - "Two years ago Roman Abramovich moved his 726 million-euro loan to his team to his holding company Chelsea Limited. Even though the loans from the holding company were converted to equity by the team last year we include the debt in our leverage figures because it is still repayable to Abramovich, who owns both entities."
The problem with Forbes has always been their vagueness regarding what they are taking into account and just how much emphasis they place on such things. They bumped us a few years ago presumptuously when the Stanley Park plans were floated around and since then our value has been erroneously inflated.
{Ed002's Note - The values reflect the market value of the clubs and not the value adjusted for "debt" otherwise your argument would value Chelsea as a negative - or taking it the other way as at more than £1B. You simply need to accept that the value of Liverpool has been downgraded. The easist way to figure this out is to value the 16.58% no longer owned by NESV/FSG. I will see if I can have someone let me have detail on it.}
06 May 2011 11:07:10
Thank you ed002, I never knew that so you have given me some new knowledge, and I thank you.
06 May 2011 11:04:00
Is there any progress on getting Ashley Young ? He seems to want to leave Villa . He would be good on the right side.
06 May 2011 10:52:32
"{Ed002's Note - The two are not quite so easily related and the club has actually be devalued by Deloittes over the past year by 33% to £332M or so as shown on the latest Forbes list.}"
To be fair Forbes' previous valuation was something of a joke considering we were on the brink of administration and throttled by debt, the change in value has as much to do with realigning their own skewed idea of how much we were worth than anything else. So long as no one wants to sell, what's the point in valuations?
I was more surprised that the loss was only £20m.
{Ed002's Note - I think your knowledge of economics needs brushing up. The size of the debt is entirely irrelevant with respect to the value of a club. Use a house as an example. You might own a house worth £500k with no mortgage. Having a £100k mortgage on the property does not reduce its value.
One of the significant issues for restricting the loss was Champions League involvement. What is not clear yet is whether the figures take account of the first year of teh Standard Chartered sponsorship or not.}
06 May 2011 10:27:37
06 May 2011 08:35:40
So Liverpool made a loss of £20 million for the last finacial year, but the value of the club has went up 16% since the takeover! Nice work if you could afford it!
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - The two are not quite so easily related and the club has actually be devalued by Deloittes over the past year by 33% to £332M or so as shown on the latest Forbes list.}
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Ok, I could have sworn I read it on a Deliottes page in the last 2 days.
The Irish Rover
{Ed002's Note - The Forbes 2011 Entry for Liverpool - note the -33%:
Placement #9
Club: Liverpool
Country: England
League: Barclays Premier League
Owner/Majority Shareholder: John Henry, Tom Werner
Stadium: Anfield (Seating Capacity:45,300)
Current Value: $552 mil
1-yr Value Change (U.S.): -33%
Revenues: $276 mil}
06 May 2011 10:33:06
Hi ed just had a look at sissoko on youtube he looks like a very powerful attacking midfielder. would you expect there to be alot of competition for his signature. In what region would his value be, cheers
irishred {Ed002's Note - I guess £12-15M and aside from strong interest from Juventus and AC Milan, Genoa and probably Napoli are also interested.}
06 May 2011 10:33:09
so what is happening with gervino ?
{Ed002's Note - Gervinho is keeping his options open but regardless of a new offer from Lille or interest from Fiorentina, I suspect that he will be playing in England next season with Newcastle, Liverpool, Fulham (if they make Europa which seems likely), Spurs or perhaps Arsenal.}
06 May 2011 10:24:00
Ashley young has said he his in no rush to leave villa and is not desperate to leave he enjoys life there and got alot of friends plus him linking with bent is catching the eye of cappello but if has said if he was to go it would only be for champions league football, my source marc albrighton a family friend
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or your source is whats being reported in the press. .
06 May 2011 10:26:59
Ed, how possible is the signing of Gervinho? A striker that can play in the hole and out wide. {Ed002's Note - He is keeping his options open but regardless of a new offer from Lille or interest from Fiorentina that he will be playing in England next season.}
06 May 2011 10:17:20
Ashley young has said he his in no rush to leave villa and is not desperate to leave he enjoys life there and got alot of friends plus him linking with bent is catching the eye of cappello but if has said if he was to go it would only be for champions league football, my source marc albrighton a family friend
06 May 2011 08:35:40
So Liverpool made a loss of £20 million for the last finacial year, but the value of the club has went up 16% since the takeover! Nice work if you could afford it!
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - The two are not quite so easily related and the club has actually be devalued by Deloittes over the past year by 33% to £332M or so as shown on the latest Forbes list.}
06 May 2011 08:27:29
'05 May 2011 22:38:38
Liverpool wil already have set up a short-list of who to sign nd relevant back-ups.
GK-Thers strng sources suggesting Reina is stayng, Douchez is a possibility fr 2nd choice, on free.
CB-I think we shud only sign 1 if we sell eithr skrtel or agger (prefered, injury prone). i'd go fr Sakho £16M, or Phil Jones £8M.
LB-I'd like Izzaguire/ Cissokho bt Enrique looks dne £12, hes decent engh.
Eithr a CDM/ CM. MVila £15M / Mousa Sissoko £12M, Adam cud happen £8M (not the best imo bt i'l trust KK if he goes with hm)
3 wingers, Sylvian Marveaux looks a dne deal, on free. LM/ LF, Adam Johnson wud b a dream £18M or back up Dzudzsak/ Perotti bth £14M, nd eithr A.Young fr £18M or Payet (my choice) fr £9M.
CF-Kenny wantd 3 top strikers, Balague is contradictive with saying we're nt aftr a ST then saying we mght b tracking osvaldo bt he could b right, Kuyt hs stepped up to plate nd perhps we mght gt a mre raw talent when it cmes to ST lyk Munian.
Douchez
Enrique
P.Jones
MVila
A.Johnson
Payet
ST?
Total £70M
RedSox69'
Mr RedSox69,
Do vowels offend you?
Redjinal
06 May 2011 08:03:55
I think that selling Maxi is a backward step for liverpool. He is a decent squad player, who doesn't mind being on the bench. We need a decent squad not just a decent first XI. Kenny will keep him!
06 May 2011 04:20:58
Fantastic site eds. Do u think maxi's recent goals have done enough to keep him at afield next season or just added value to his transfer fee? Personally not a big fan of his but if he can come off the bench and produce these recent efforts could be a firm squad player. {Ed002's Note - I think it is more than likely he will move on.}