08 Oct 2015 12:59:44
Gary Mac and O'Driscoll leaves roles at LFC.
08 Oct 2015 13:23:54
Hope Gary Mac takes the offer of another role that's on offer.
{Ed002's Note - I would hope he has more resect for himself and after a kick in the gonads by the club walks away.}
08 Oct 2015 13:37:04
Dissapointing how the whole matter was handled. all this could have been avoided if they had just replaced BR in the summer, instead replacing just the backroom staff was always going to end in tears considering the main culprit was still in position.
08 Oct 2015 13:56:18
I don't think Klopp would have joined us in the summer
08 Oct 2015 13:51:12
Ed002, is it though? I mean in football it's common that if a manager leaves/sacked a new guy brings his team in. Being offered another role, getting the chance to work with Klopp, regarded as one of the brightest coaching talents, how is that a kick there?
He could have just been dumped like Odriscoll
{Ed002's Note - He has been sacked from his job. Get off the damp patch about the other "getting the chance to work with" nonsense.}
08 Oct 2015 14:30:20
Kenny was put in a similar position ed002 and he's still a great part of the club. I just don't see why it's a major kick in the gonads. Liverpool changed manager, when the front man goes, often times the rest are to follow, because new managers want their own staff. though I can see where you're coming from, jobs are hard to come by. If the club value his input enough to want to keep him on, it's also a sign of respect.
And to be fair, taking a role under a manager who would sell out his own back room staff was a pretty risky move anyways.
{Ed002's Note - Dalglish was totally different - it was the actions of the runt and his own abject stupidity that got him sacked.}
08 Oct 2015 14:41:02
Yeah I understand that. I'm just saying all bridges don't have to be burnt down!
{Ed002's Note - You need to get over all of this "legends" nonsense and accept that the club really don't give a toss about the likes of McAllister.}
08 Oct 2015 14:41:41
Do feel for those 2 in that they were brought in to makes things improve and have only been in a few months. Yes every new manager wants to change their staff but it wasn't down to those guys it all happened.
08 Oct 2015 14:50:55
Ed 002, you are so right, the club formally known as Liverpool Football Club, stopped giving a damn about anybody, especially the fans, since Peter Robinson left.
08 Oct 2015 14:52:41
This isn't really uncommon at other places either. Life's cruel. They'll get new jobs. If I lost a job and the company did what they could to see I still had one, there's at least some respect for me within the company. Not trying to get you worked up btw
08 Oct 2015 15:22:14
I'm going to use that 'get off your damp patch' here and there. Nice one.
08 Oct 2015 16:01:53
To put into perspective when McCallister joined in the summer I'm sure he had a feeling Rodgers nay had so much time before Rodgers went. Therefore him and O Driscoll probably had an inkling this could be a short term role.
I'm glad Linjders has been kept on and that's the main thing for me, and Klopp coming obviously.
08 Oct 2015 16:02:36
New gaffer new rules get on with it,love Gary Mac but he's a grown man he nos the crack he'll move on.
08 Oct 2015 16:53:10
As much as I respect Gary and feel for him and the rest of the team, I'd rather Klopp had the staff he knows how to work with so he can focus 100% on the players and not have to second guess whether his coaches are doing what he needs them to do.
08 Oct 2015 18:07:38
Lfc have said he still has an ambassadorial role
{Ed002's Note - Embarrassing - death by cheese and wine. Perhaps they could offer him a £100 club shop voucher to sweeten the deal?}
08 Oct 2015 18:18:45
Apparently he has taken up the ambassadorial role offered to him with the club
08 Oct 2015 18:47:56
Do you lot not think Gary mac was a bit silly for taking the role under rodgers? He was lucky to survive the chop after last season. and was the favourite to be first sacked manager from the prem.
08 Oct 2015 19:06:03
I think Gary Mac loves the club and wants to be involved, but I agree, I do feel a bit sorry for him
08 Oct 2015 18:40:35
Well its his fault for putting his fate in Rogers' hands. Embarrassing? Don't think so people get sacked every day it's like any other job he'll get his money and still be an ambassador for the club its not like he was doing any thing before. And i think Gary Mac and O'Driscoll were on a one year contract
08 Oct 2015 19:57:38
@Magico I don't think he was silly no, Everyone knows how much he loves Liverpool and yes he probably had thoughts about Rodgers leaving as we did but if we got offered the role knowing BR was in charge and that there was a risk he could be sacked and you could follow I'm sure we would both still take it regardless of that - I know I would anyway because It's Liverpool and the team I support, Could be a day, a month or 10 years i'd still do it to help, But for some strange reason I haven't had any missed calls from Jurgen yet asking me to come in for a chat haha
08 Oct 2015 20:51:07
Remember when Moyes took over the devils? He got rid of all the back room staff who were proven winners within their profession. He brought in his own staff who hadn't won anything. The rest is history, they were a laughing stock within weeks of his appointment.
Klopp is bringing in proven winners in a big league! Gary Mac was a winner as a player and he will always be in LFC folklore for what he achieved with us. But I for one am so chuffed that we've now started to bring in a whole team that can push this team forward and attract the best players (without CL football for now). We need to keep tradition and remember the past but, most of all we need to look forward and move with the times.
08 Oct 2015 19:32:38
You should all know by now that it's physically impossible for Ed2 to say anything nice about our club. He'd bawk at the very thought. Just don't rise to it. Gary Mac was always on a hiding to nothing and I'm sure he'll survive.
{Ed002's Note - Attempting to be the wanker your father should have been makes you look a complete cretin.}
08 Oct 2015 23:06:23
Man it's harsh on this forum sometimes. No need guys !!
08 Oct 2015 23:45:10
Gary Mac is a good guy and would want the best for it. He understands the football world. Ed2 has been bleating that klopp wast coming, he's here.
Maybe a bit worried that there will be less to choose from when Roman weilds the axe at the ridge lol
09 Oct 2015 03:51:09
I suppose ed2 only goes off the information he's given. If solid media reports are to be believed, Liverpool only directly contacted Klopp's reps on Monday.
{Ed001's Note - the issue was always Liverpool not showing any interest in him, which was made clear repeatedly. The moment they did we got him. It is a surprise because FSG had rejected names put forward due to them having English as a second language, then suddenly changed their mind and went for Ancelotti and then Klopp. I would love to find out what made them drop that particular requirement.}
09 Oct 2015 05:57:13
A lot has been said on the circumstances of Macca and O'Driscoll, but I feel like the debate has been very polarized.
On the one hand-- LFC are persons who have kicked two LFC legends in the balls.
On the other, "life sucks, get a helmet". As in, sorry, life is cruel, get used to it!
I don't think either perspective is correct or accurate.
No matter how you slice it, this is an unfortunate circumstances for both of these guys, particularly Macca who is a Red legend (for his role in the treble of 2000/01, among other things).
At the same time, I cannot see either of these guys taking these jobs-- at the time they did-- with the clear understanding that their stay could be short. Why? They were being brought in as new staff for a managerial regime under BR that was on very thin ice.
Macca/O'Driscoll had to know that if results did not come, BR may be shown the door and if a new manager hired, he would bring his own staff.
I'm sure this was conveyed to them, and that both took the job with their eyes wide open, thinking that despite the risk that the job may be short, it was still worth it to give it a try to coach for the Reds. Who would turn down the opportunity?
In other words, it's entirely consistent to believe that it sucks and is very sad (and unlucky) for Macca/O'Driscoll to be let go so son; while also believing that LFC and FSG are not disrespecting these two guys, or "kicking them in the gonads".
That's all I'm going to say on this.
{Ed001's Note - sorry but both men were hired with the premise they would stay in place should Rodgers go and be there to smooth the handover to a new regime.}
09 Oct 2015 06:57:34
That is just not a realistic promise to make, nor to trust, in the circumstances. Why would any new manager not be allowed the opportunity to bring his own coaching staff?
{Ed001's Note - the point was we were going to be going with head coaches in the future.}
09 Oct 2015 06:58:16
Ed001, when you consider that they've always admired him, and that he was readily available, I think they just decided to trust their instinct and ignore what their stupid advisor said. They certainly didn't want to be left with any regrets.
Are you surprised that Klopp was interested? Personally, I'm not, but there was always a baseless rhetoric that Klopp wouldn't be interested. I've taken a lot of joy in throwing eggs in the faces of people told me I was some 'deluded scouser' because I said Klopp would say yes to an offer.
{Ed001's Note - of course I am not surprised, I mentioned many times that I was told he would be very interested, keen even, to take on the job.}
09 Oct 2015 09:11:37
So in the months leading up to this, did Klopp's representatives ever suggest indications to Liverpool or other people that Klopp is keen?
09 Oct 2015 15:15:01
I think it's all part of the footballing world. There's a lot at stake, and as such - from the perspective of the club being a business - nothing should ever be taken for granted or be too much of a surprise. Being realistic, if the club wants to succeed, they can't be too sentimental - (I'm not saying I would like our club to outright shady in their dealings, I don't believe that's what's happened) things change and you have to react accordingly.
I had dared to hope we would attract Ancelotti and I would love to know why that didn't come to pass; whether it was just his year off and this apparent "side project" - or if the job just doesn't interest him. His record is impressive, but equally, Klopp has virtues that LFC need right now and the bloke has proven his quality despite a below par last season at Dortmund.
ED1 - would be keen to hear your thoughts on something.
There has been a story that Klopp said to someone he believed he would one day manage Man U. I've found nothing to say he said it on record, if he said it at all. It has also been apparent for a while that he would be keen on the Liverpool job - if the mill is to be believed.
Klopp seems to me to be quite an emotional fellow, genuinely committed to his cause - the tears when he left Mainz, and clearly sentimental about BVB. Yet he apparently was also been keen on Bayern - which seems to me to be a bit like Kenny Dalglish going to manage Man U. I know Rafa went to Chelsea, but Klopp strikes me as made from different stuff.
So my questions are:
Is there anything in The Man U story, and what is your take on him wanting to switch to Dortmund's biggest rival?
Do you think/know if he intends his time at LFC to be a long term project? I want to get behind him, but the idea he could up and off to Bayern or Man U makes me uneasy.
Thanks as always,
Rob
{Ed001's Note - I have never heard anything of him saying that about Man Utd, nor have I heard any indications of him being willing to take on the Bayern role. If he wanted that he only had to wait until the summer, yet he chose to take a job with us. He has very publicly said a number of times that Bayern would be a job he could not take due to his time at Dortmund, so I have no idea why the media were spinning the chance of him going there, he is a man of his word I believe.}
09 Oct 2015 15:26:50
There is not a professional business in the entire world which would not step on or sell out it's employees if it would further their business. So while ED002 might feel that liverpool have conducted their business in an unprofessional manner it's simply the way of business. singular employees are never as important as the business itself.
{Ed002's Note - One excuse after another. I really don't care if the club wishes to act this way - but the fans are the ones always going on about "legends". They can't do that any more.}
09 Oct 2015 16:50:48
Just watched his press conference.
Said all the right things, and comes across as a genuine guy.
I am believer.
No doubts.
10 Oct 2015 06:08:21
i feel for gary mac , but he was part of the set up and went along and had input to the way team played and we all know how the team performed week in week out so he has to take some of the blame , i loved him when he played for us but he must have known BR was out of his depth , i hope he stays but he can't be blameless for our very poor performances