Liverpool Rumours Archive June 09 2013

09 Jun 2013 21:18:16
E. D's you wouldn't happen to know any details concerning Luis Alberto would you? I hear that we've agreed personal terms but haven't reached an agreement on a fee just yet. Is this because of the agreement between Barca and Sevilla?

Also why do Barca not appear keen on him? He looks like a fairly capable footballer with vision and intelligence to match even the biggest of stars.

All of this info is coming from wildly different sources though so I have no idea what is true and what is just a plain fabrication.

Also any development on the Aspas front? Are there still problems with his agent (Although from what I can gather it's not an agent which represents him, how the hell does that even work?)

Thanks for all your time and patience E. D's {Ed002's Note - Read the posts - what I know is there.}

Its funny why barca don't rate him hope its in the same way inter milan didn't rate couthino could be another gem from rodgers

09 Jun 2013 21:03:52
Just heard Swansea have now targeted Sterling on a season long loan due to missing out on Aspas! Expect a lot of the youth players to be loaned out this season! Cheers PDLFC

Don't be silly, sterling will play more games than last year for us. he has proofed he can cope with the prem. so I say play the boy if fit

If he was up for it I think that would b a good move for a season. Don't think he will play regularly next season as the team will be better equipped with players and we are not in Europe so less opportunties

Daniellambretta

I am sceptical still. Got a ways to go yet till he is the finished artical.

Have I miss read this? why an earth would we loan players out after missing out on a player. surly if we was to sign aspas then just maybe we would consider loaning certain players out. sterling will not be loaned out

I think he is definitly part Of are squad next season. but I think suso loan to swansea would be perfect at least till jan anyway because all he needs is games and I don't think he will get that many as were not in europe.

Ynwa

Wouldn't think so but I think it would be best for his development, with the players we bring in this season I would think he would get less minutes. But as for real wingers we have Downing and Sterling, Downing will go I assume leaving with only Sterling for the sake of Depth I think we will keep him this season.

> Have I miss read this? why an earth would we loan players out after missing out on a player. surly if we was to sign aspas then just maybe we would consider loaning certain players out. sterling will not be loaned out

I think the post is saying Swansea were in for Aspas too and missed out so they want Raheem on loan.

Personally I think this would be a fantastic loan if we want him to develop and can't give him the game time. They can take Suso and Shelvey too.

Does anyone else think. That not being in europe isn't such a. bad thing. We wouldn't have many games but still concentrate on the vital ones. To get us back in CL
Sterling shouldn't be loaned. Specially to an epl rival.

Have to say, I think letting Sterling go on loan would be a great idea. We are clearly looking to strengthen that area of the team, and it would be very good for him to get a full season of Premier Leage football under his belt. Just look at what it did for Sturridge and Wlishere at Bolton.

Same goes for the likes of Suso and Shelvey
Verdad

09 Jun 2013 18:18:21
Hello Eds,
a lot of people mentioning Lamela and Mkhitryan as players to buy if Suarez leaves. While I know of our interest in Mkhitryan, I don't see Lamela as a realisitic buy for us. So wanted to ask you do we still hold an interest in georginio wijnaldum?

I know we were interested before he signed for PSV. He could be an excellent buy for RW and should be available for around 15-20 million. {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}

Wijnaludum 15-20m? Maybe 5-10m! he's been crap since he joined PSV and one good U21 tournament doest triple his value!

RedKopite

09 Jun 2013 17:05:09
Agents - The latest episode to stoke my ire is Aspas. There have been so many examples of agents popping up asking for a cut as they "once held the player's hand crossing a particularly dangerous road". We have seen extortionate agents fees paid in this country (ourselves being a prime example) and reports of some rather ethically questionable behaviour. I recall John Henry referring to it as like being in the Wild West. Coming from tightly regulated US ownership, that's understandable.

My question for anyone that knows Eds or otherwise - Are there plans in place to tighten regulations around agents? I seem to remember either the PL or the FA doing something, but clearly something needs to happen globally.

JF {Ed002's Note - One of the problems is that "agents" or "representatives" will tell a club that they can broker a deal for a player when they have no contract to represent that player. Another is a player who was previously represented by an agent can find that agent subsequently making a claim on his transfer when they may not have had contact for years. Another is an ex-employee of an agency making a claim for work he previously did with a player. The rules about licensed agents have been tightened up. It is much better than it was and clubs are certainly looking to reduce what they spend on agents, representatives, sharks and other intermediaries - which last year totalled around 28% of the total transfer fees for cross boarder (international) transactions. This is another reason I try and avoid discussing money - folks simply cannot grasp the costs involved.

Taking Liverpool as an example, in the past three seasons the club has spent a shade under £25M on agent/representative fees alone.}

Once again underestimate the knowledge the Eds have, Thanks and keep up the good work

That's really interesting, thanks for that Ed002. Glad to hear efforts are being made. I recall us being near the top of fees paid in this country, on the likes of Jovanovic, Cole etc.

I once met a young Robinho (true story, when he played for Santos before the Flamenco match) wished him luck in his future career and gave him my trademark back slap. He went on to have a shocker that game, but turned out pretty well I guess. I think my motivational chat could be worth a % or 2. I'll send him an email.

JF

09 Jun 2013 18:44:21
Yes thanks Ed002.

That was very interesting and informative.

Regards

Mark

It always gets on my nerves when people say "x player is worth £5m, why player is worth £15m" where do these people get that info from. Because the price stated by these people (including the press) usually has to add a further £5m+ on top.

Too much guess work, let's leave the figures to the clubs

Nice work if you can get it how does one become an agent ed? {Ed002's Note - You have to work your way up from charlatan to shark to intermediary to representative then agent.}

I think it is scandalous that a club pays an agent anyway. the PLAYER should pay HIS agent a fee from his own money

Puzzled

09 Jun 2013 16:12:44
Hi eds sorry about sending another post, forgot to include it in my last one. Question specifically for Ed02, have Liverpool enquired or held talks regarding any player of which interest is not widely known as being there? {Ed002's Note - Given the repeat questions it seems nothing is widely known by the posters. Right now I am not aware that Liverpool having held talks about any players not discussed. Enquiries as to availability are made regularly and I am sure there are many that have not been discussed. Obviously we steer away from the South American players because of previous issues, but I will say that an enquiry has again been made on behalf of Liverpool regarding German Pezzella. And there is nothing I can add to that right now.}

Great to hear a fresh name tossed into the hat! Thanks Ed. I would imagine that Pezzella would be an alternative to the Illori deal, but for the sake of inquiring minds, does he actually have a European passport through Italy? Or would he have to apply for a work permit a la Sebastian Leto? {Ed002's Note - I think you are confusing him with someone else - Italy does not come in to it.}

Is this a fresh enquiry ed? I think we made an enquiry with regards to this player previously? I maybe wrong of course. {Ed002's Note - THis is a recent enquiy on behalf of the club.}

09 Jun 2013 15:58:00
There seems to be strong rumours that we are after Mignolet, Papadopolus, Ilori, Kucka, Mkhitaryan, Alberto & Ferreyra.
Plus we've already secured Toure & Aspas (almost). I for one think its shaping up to be one of the most exciting summers ever, regardless of the Suarez situation. I'm not expecting all of them to happen, but do the Eds think these would be good signings if we could pull them off? and is there any in the list that are just not going to happen?

Mick D {Ed002's Note - I don't see Ferreyra or Kucka moving to Liverpool. Papadopoulos has been done to death and like Mkhitaryan is perhaps over-valued by his club. Mkhitaryan is being offered around and Liverpool has an interest but, like Papadopoulos, there has been no bid placed. Mingolet, Ilori and Alberto are seemingly the most likely I would think. Try the search function for detail.}

09 Jun 2013 14:49:07
Hi Eds, great site. Just wondering if you know of any interest in sessengon from LFC and if we may consider a move along with mignolet {Ed002's Note - Sunderland want Sessegnon to stay but he is determined to leave. Palermo has previously shown an interest in the player but I suspect a move there is unlikely. He would like a move to Marseille but is likely priced out of that unless a player could be included in a transaction. There is a thought in my mind that Spurs may consider him.}

09 Jun 2013 13:47:10
Hi Ed, been looking at posts over last few days and nobody has asked this question so I was wondering if you know.

What is currently happening with Suarez, obviously very very likely to leave but are Liverpool currently actively seeking a buyer or are they simply waiting for an approach or has any team made an approach?

I imagine that we are actively seeking a buyer then that could decrease value but at the same time the longer that goes without a buyer must also affect his price in a negative fashion? Also do you anticipate Aspas signing by next week as he is talking as if everything is done?

Thanks, {Ed002's Note - Liverpool are aware of the interest of five clubs and they are aware that at least other one club that is not interested. They will be expecting offers and proposals and it will be just like any other transfer. I cannot say when any deal for Aspas will conclude but I suspect it shall soon. There is an issue with another agent saying he has a claim on the deal - this is actually not uncommon at all. But they will figure it out.}

Who are the 5 clubs? {Ed002's Note - Done to death - read the posts please.}

Thanks, as I am not a manager I wasn't very certain on transfer dealings and how they go down. The agent issue I saw you said is common but is it exactly, does he just have two of them or are they squabbling about money.

As I said very grateful for the answer!

Its asset stripping. Club's been for sale for 16months +

Cant get silly money, so they;ll sell it off in chunks. And the personics will lap up the excuses, as usual.

09 Jun 2013 12:24:26
Ed 02 You should read Ed 30 article that has been linked on the banter page. Stand by for a busy day on the Erick Lamela front. {Ed002's Note - There has been a slight change in the situation with Lamela in the past couple of days - but I have no idea what Ed030 has said on the matter, nor of course how it is relevant to the Liverpool page.}

Does anyone have this link? I have looked through the banter page and couldn't find it, thank you to anybody who helps {Ed030's Note - What link. }

Ed is there any chance you could divulge what it is that has changed with Lamlea's situation? Cheers {Ed002's Note - To some extent. Monaco think they may be able to attract Roma's attention with a very significant bid and Roma has started to look at a player who would coming in as a replacement. An English club that were interested but stepped away because of the complex ownership and work permit issues, is again looking at the situation. None of this involves or has ever involved Liverpool.}

09 Jun 2013 20:46:10
To whoever wanted the link it is here

{Ed030's Note - I have done an article about which player I think will leave and which player I hope will sign http://www.Liverpool-rumours.co.uk/Liverpool-rumours-suitable-players-2014-season.php

If you want to read mate.

09 Jun 2013 09:34:33
Eds, Are we still interested in Toby Alderwield? {Ed002's Note - I expected Alderweireld to go to Spurs to replace Gallas or Roma to replace Marquinhos. Liverpool decided the asking price was too high, but it is certainly less than that being asked for Papadopoulos. Maybe Liverpool will look to him again?}

No ed i want papa please. :) {Ed002's Note - Sure but three teams walking away from the asking price should give a hint it will be over the odds that would need to be paid, and considering the recent injury issues, the club need to consider matters very carefully.}

Does papadopolous want to leave ed002? or he is just looking at options for now?

Kaizer {Ed002's Note - He is available and if a club matches the desired fee no doubt he would consider his options then. As of now, theree clubs have walked away because they consider the cost too high. Liverpool has an interest but has not put an offer on the table. His great desire is to play for a club where the fans know how to spell his name correctly.}

08 Jun 2013 15:06:43
Ed002 I see you state muriel needs a work permit and we would have to long him out what are the chances of him getting a work permit before this transfer windows shuts? Does his price have a impact on it I no international caps do but enlighten me please {Ed002's Note - The situation with work permits is that a player will be granted one if (a) he has played 75% of games at full international level for two years for a country ranked reasonably high up by FIFA (top 75), or (b) if an exemption is applied for and granted under the "exceptional talent" provisions. For example, if a case is made to the authorities that a young South American is a demonstrable talent and clearly one for the future, it should be reasonably easy to have an exemption granted. If however, a pretty much run of the mill or average player was being bought and it was clear they are not appreciably better than those which could be found locally, or are being bought because they are cheap, then it will be much more difficult to obtain a work permit. The downside of the system in the UK is that the "bigger" English clubs can cherry pick the decent talent available and can obtain exemptions, and the rest of the players are assumed not to be talented enough for an exemption (as Chelsea or Manchester United etc. don't want them) and therefore obtaining the exemption is much tougher. Some players can obtain work permits through their parents or grand parents being English.}

Would someone holding an EU passport being viewed under EU work rules? {Ed002's Note - Having a passport from an EU member state is not a guarantee of a WP being granted - there are many displaced people in that category and they are considered on a case-by-case basis.}

So muriel should get it handy enough he is not to be a grate player so what would our problem be?

Why compare to FIFA

Aren't Liverpool loaning out Villyan Bijev so he can obtain a work permit eds, how does that work then?

thedat {Ed002's Note - That was to help build a case for an exemption - see above.}