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12 Jun 2015 09:09:36
Hey eds have we agreed a deal with Inter for Kovacic?

{Ed002's Note - There is an agreement over the fee and additional bonuses but nothing finalised according to agent - who is very surprised at Liverpool - but I won't go in to detail about what he has said. The deal should go thru.}

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12 Jun 2015 09:38:27
Ed2 thanks once again for your cracking info. Can I ask is it a good or bad suprise without going into too much detail?

{Ed001's Note - it is not good mate, but the deal is pretty much done.}

12 Jun 2015 09:54:32
I don't know why he is surprised ed002, nothing surprises me about this club anymore.

12 Jun 2015 10:08:42
If his agent didn't want him to join its good to see a player do what they want instead of what the money grabbing agents wants.

{Ed001's Note - that was not the issue, not all agents are Aidy Ward.}

12 Jun 2015 10:11:25
Come on then ed.

you can't leave us dangling

12 Jun 2015 10:13:36
Surely if Kovacic is coming in along with Milner somebody from central midfield is being moved on? anything eds?

{Ed001's Note - there are still offers on the table for Lucas.....}

12 Jun 2015 10:23:48
Who cares what his agent has said????? They are the scum of the earth! Why the constant digs at everything liverpool do ed002?

{Ed001's Note - you are making yourself look an idiot as you don't know his agent. You should be embarrassed over the way the club have dealt with this once again, not digging at someone you don't even know. Ignorance is bliss so you must be happy as Larry. People like you are embarrassing, Liverpool is turning into a laughing stock and the digs are coming because of the way it is handling itself, while you are utterly oblivious and try and defend the indefensible from an ignorant standpoint. This club was run into the ground by Moores, who is the scum of the earth, and it still has no idea how to conduct itselt professionally.}

12 Jun 2015 10:26:25
If Lucas goes we'll actually have no proper DM. Is Rodgers actually blind? Eds do ye know if the club ensures Brendan gets his eyes tested once a year, I think he may have missed his last appointment or two!

{Ed001's Note - he gets a full medical package as part of his contract, but his eyes are clearly being dazzled by his teeth as some of his comments after games demonstrated. There is no way he actually watched them.}

12 Jun 2015 10:39:37
Another strange signing for mine, I don't get it. we have an over abundance of CM's and offers on the table for Lucas, our only DM. i'm left scratching my head. i'm guessing it will be a season shoehorning a CM into the DM role. I can see Can in the DM role, though i'm not sure its suits his skill set.

12 Jun 2015 10:45:22
On a positive note though perhaps Can will have his chance as DM in midfield with both Allen and Milner capable of providing backup in this position with rotation.

Reading between the lines Eds, the negative aspect of this potential deal is that Lucas was persuaded to stay in Jan and is now being moved on. Is it possible that he's still open to a move rather than the club doing the dirty on him?

{Ed001's Note - it is more that Brendan doesn't rate him and wants to replace him.}

12 Jun 2015 10:53:46
Rodgers want to get rid of all the players bought by previous managers. Once mission accomplished, then he will leave. Then we start again with REBUILDING. This is the only building work which has never come to an end.
kit

12 Jun 2015 10:54:09
Eds, when you're talking about Liverpool's unprofessional conduct in negotiations, do you mean the lowballing and dithering?

{Ed001's Note - there is more to it than that, but that is certainly involved.}

12 Jun 2015 11:07:18
Is kovacic open to a move then? I read earlier that he said he was 100% committed to inter.

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

12 Jun 2015 11:08:56
I agree Lucas is somewhat underrated - I feel the difference he makes is exaggerated by the poor defensive coaching though. Good news about Can (hopefully) moving into midfield, I feel he'll offer a great deal there, he has good defensive qualities despite having a tough time at RB (Lucas would struggle there as well) and offers more going forward. If only the new backroom appointments are aimed at solving the back line issues, here's hoping.

Thanks for the reply Ed.

12 Jun 2015 11:12:28
Does Can even see himself as a DM? He's more box to box like hendo in my eyes. I wouldn't let him playing in CB and being physically big make you think he somehow has defensive minded qualities. I think he will be restrained there. If Lucas goes he's our only option though.

I'm going to go ahead and stick my nose where it don't belong and question you even further Eds! When you say the Kovacic situation isn't good, please say we haven't spent 30m?

{Ed001's Note - it is nothing to do with the price.}

12 Jun 2015 11:21:14
Tell us already :(

12 Jun 2015 11:24:07
Is low balling considered unprofessional? I would assume that is what any business person would do to test the waters?

It's funny though because you don't hear much about how clubs are run besides sites like this so most people are oblivious to these things. I'm sure the city of Liverpool knows what's going on but other than that.

Just wondering Eds, are there legal reasons to why you cannot fully explain stuff such as the above Kovacic situation? If so, then I'll actually stop pestering you lot >.

{Ed001's Note - it is a lot more than lowballing though, there is lowballing and then there is taking the mickey. It is not legal reasons, just no point getting into it, the subject will just draw in the bells who think they have to jump to the defence of the club no matter what and have no grasp on reality.}

12 Jun 2015 11:37:17
Please note, this is completely from my imagination based on what I've read in recent weeks -
Nikky Vuksan will be angry at LFC because we seem to have ignored traditional routes. We never spoke to him or his client but went straight to Inter and Mancini in order to move the deal forward. Vuksan didn't even want his client to leave Inter but there has been some tension between him and Mancini - particularly with reference to Mancini (according to Vuksan) not knowing how to play Kovacic. and we might have utilised that to our own benefit whilst also knowing that Mancini and Inter are interested in two of our players.

There is little surprise that our club is fast making a name for itself. unfortunately that name is one of moral turpitude. FSG showed this themselves over Suarez with John Henry boasting to the business community not long afterwards about how legally useless contracts were in the EPL. Our club then proceeded to leak information about Sterling not signing and then pretended to take the morally high ground when Aidy Ward stepped in (it was badly done but actually we were the spark that lit the flame that caused the fire). Now, I agree with Ed001 that this has been developing since Moores but at the moment we appear to be the metaphorical 'headless chickens' running around in a yard whilst trying to bully the laughing foxes.

12 Jun 2015 11:43:44
Haha fair enough, I understand. I can live with low balling. But I can imagine the types of things you are talking about which would be considered "taking the mickey".

I guess I'll keep the conversation going, if you'll do me the pleasure. Do you feel FSGs heart in the right place concerning the club? I know they're not Hicks and Gillett but it does hurt knowing the way the club is conducting its business.

{Ed001's Note - the problem is the attitude they are displaying. I believe they want to succeed but they are going about it by trying to bulldozer their way to success.}

12 Jun 2015 11:46:29
Hi Ed, first time poster but long time reader.

I just wanted to point out that it's difficult for people to know the whole truth if you don't share it. I'm certainly not defending the club nor am I oblivious to the way we conduct business. It would be helpful for those of us not ITK if you told us what you know.

Thanks

{Ed001's Note - that is as may be, but there are reasons behind why we don't give out some pieces of info.}

12 Jun 2015 11:47:17
Great info ed as always. Another attacking midfielder ? This is embarrassing. some of these days we might just start addressing the problem areas in our squad eds?

{Ed001's Note - if only.}

12 Jun 2015 11:49:56
Appreciate that you don't want to get into the details of what the agent has said. But if you could shed a little more light on it would appreciate your insight. I see this as something Liverpool have to address, whether we like it or not agents are part of the modern game and we have to deal with them. If were getting transfers wrong eventually less of our targets will join. Enough of the midfielders we have a number of options already and yet there are other obvious areas where quality additions could make a real difference CB and ST spring to mind. On a positive note we do seem to be getting our business done early, Milner, Ings and Bogdan although not necessarily star signings will improve the squad and Kovacic could be a great signing IMO.

12 Jun 2015 11:56:09
Ed001 - I know you won't tell us what exactly is happening and I understand why. But could you at least tell us: is it Ayre who's responsible? I am often left to wonder, when things like this have come out over the last few years, whether Ayre is the cause or a symptom.

{Ed001's Note - it is the club as a whole, Ayre is a symptom.}

12 Jun 2015 12:07:14
So Ed, if these guys in the club are paid 'professionals'. then why can't they get anything like recruitment right?! It bewilders me that some fans on the internet actually seem to have more idea than those in the club. It's obvious to everyone for example that we need a DM, yet the 'pros' in the club paid to know such things. don't actually know it. Mind boggling, considering football is a simple game.

My trust in FSG has begun to wane a little bit. I've appreciated what they've done for the club commercially, and certainly what they did to save the club, but they seem to get next to nothing right in the football department. Is their lack of football background perhaps a massive issue?

{Ed001's Note - I think we just employ the wrong people. I do feel that the club is suffering as a whole partially because of their lack of a footballing background, but partially because those that do have a footballing background are still full of the arrogance of the 80s domination. They still think we are better than everyone else and it has not sunk in that no one is better than any other. There is a lack of respect shown to other clubs which stems from that arrogance. Similar to the way Real Madrid act, but instead of just swanning in and taking who we want by paying whatever it takes, we act like we are doing clubs a favour and so they should sell them to us for less than they want.}

12 Jun 2015 12:10:34
Mentioned on here that Lucas out as a replacement is being looked at, Joe Allen can play that role. A replacement coming in and maybe a youngster being promoted to the 1st team?
I'm not a big Brendan fan. Even with Suarez there was obvious signs we needed to tighten up in other areas.
I know we need a big squad

12 Jun 2015 12:23:08
Fiorentina were also very displeased at Liverpool a few years ago over what they called "a broken promise " regarding aquilani, sadly is not something exclusive to these owners but as the ed says it's the club as a whole.

It actually put Fiorentina off giving lucas a new home a year ago.

It's a shame we cannot conduct things properly because the things that players have said about us (potential ones from Italy anyway) have been very positive. People in charge though are not fond of doing business with us.

12 Jun 2015 12:27:43
Yeah, and it seems that we employ the wrong people because FSG have little footballing background, and ultimately have a lesser idea of what's best- despite their advisors.

Do you see LFC returning to glory under FSG? Because I'm genuinely not sure if I do. Compared to clubs like Chelsea in the way we operate, we pale in comparison.

{Ed001's Note - I think they have shown a complete lack of leadership and so no, I really can not see a return to glory, no matter what is spent.}

12 Jun 2015 12:34:49
Whilst I agree with Ed1 on his views at the moment and fully respect his knowledge and opinions I had to laugh at the point that we often offer less than we should. Considering we paid horrible amounts for the likes of Lovren, Lallana, Carroll, downing etc etc we paid well over the odds.

I'm just completely disillusioned by everything with our club at the moment. We move from one disaster to another with minimum effort and no sign of acknowledgment or desire to improve matters.

12 Jun 2015 12:45:23
Cheers for that ed001, not sure that was deserved but hey! If you or any other ed give information of a player close to joining followed by a negative comment that you don't care to emphasise on, why write it at all? Us fans don't see behind the scenes like you guys, clearly we are oblivious to what goes on behind closed doors! Just don't see the need for the constant liverpool bashing if you can't release any more information on the matter, to give us fans a better understanding!

{Ed001's Note - so unless we can give you all the details we should say nothing? Are you being serious? We give the information we can but now you want us to just give nothing? Only there is never going to be a situation when every minute detail is going to be given out to you, so let's not bother then shall we? I really don't think you have thought it through at all, you are just being a bit petty because you aren't getting everything you want.}

12 Jun 2015 12:46:46
I don't know if this has been done to death or not, or if it's a stupid question, but would they ever look to sell in the near future?

{Ed001's Note - there has been no mention of it, but there are people who think they would sell for the right price.}

12 Jun 2015 12:54:06
I'm gutted at potentially losing Lucas (should be Allen IMO as offers little other than a terrier in midfield - not enough for a top 4 side) but to be fair a midfield of Milner/Hendo/Kovacic/Can/Coutinho/Llalana looks pretty useful to me and far better than what we had this season + plenty of scope to improve further.

I agree I don't think Kovacic should have been a priority with Striker and FB positions weaker than midfield, but Kovacic is a shrewd signing provided we can move on Lucas and Allen in near future at reasonable prices to fund improvements elsewhere.

12 Jun 2015 12:55:20
Eds without being disparaging, I sort of know the way transfers in American Football work with drafts etc, but do you think that having American owners has affected the way that we have done our business transactions. Are they doing what they would normally do if it were an American sport such as baseball or hockey? I may be way off the mark. It's just sad to see Liverpool making themselves into a laughing stock.

{Ed001's Note - in baseball they own a team considered to be one of the top sides, so they can just steamroller sides. There is only one league to worry about, so being in the top couple of MLB sides makes you one of the biggest in the world. This is a totally different situation, there are multiple leagues with multiple teams that are huge. You can't just bully your way to the top, even when you have Citeh's money. As Man City have accepted, you have to work with the other clubs showing them respect to get anywhere. FSG haven't seemed to have grasped the reality that we, despite our huge worldwide fanbase, are not in a position to bully the big Italian and Spanish sides. They don't like English clubs anyway, they see them as a threat due to the money available in the Prem, so you need to treat them with respect and earn theirs in return. You don't earn respect by messing people around.}

12 Jun 2015 13:06:34
Lol ! Looks like some daily Fail,S*N,Sly,Goal,Mirror reporters & journalists are lurking here to investigate the truth behind the scene from EDs !

12 Jun 2015 13:10:35
Hey eds - just wanted to thank you for the transfer snippet, always appreciated!
Personally, I do not know how to react - I rate Kovacic highly, but niot sure we needed him that much. I am afraid we will ease him in as we did with Lazar - badly. Still, if he works out like little Cou, inter fans will hate us forever - after each of his howlers I enjoy reading one of Inter's forums, they really appreciate Cou there!

12 Jun 2015 13:14:55
Let's be honest, they surely would sell.
Their top men are based in Boston, their prime business is baseball and the company is named after the Red Sox' ground for gods sake, and they are naive at best I think on many aspects of English football and its culture.
This is not being xenophobic or laying the blame at their door solely ; it started under a local owner after all.
But they show no sign of getting to grips with the nuts and bolts of the football side of things - taking the right advice, putting in place strategy and systems, recruitment etc.
Their attention is largely on the commercial aspect, selling the club and chasing the dollar. I cannot blame them for that, as that side of business needs to be taken care of in the modern game.

To be fair to them also, I think there is a real discord / disconnect between the 'traditional' support (Scousers / older fans) becoming apparent in the transition that they are trying to bring about - the selling of the club, ground, atmosphere to new supporters or even one-off visitors, the introduction of corporate facilities whilst the average fan is being priced out or excluded. Chelsea and Arsenal have done that to a large extent I think, but there is so much more money and a greater population base that they have gotten away with it. I'm not sure that Liverpool could do the same. At some point, in the not too far off, things will tip at Liverpool and many people will be alienated. I know that a European Super League may be the future, but I want no part of it. That's the type of issue that they will never get to grips with. They're trying to be all things to all people.

12 Jun 2015 13:16:58
My limited understanding of the situation is that the editors give us the information they can, without putting themselves into any jeopardy,
Can't you all just be pleased they have been able to break the story to us in the first?

12 Jun 2015 13:20:49
We are in deep trouble with everything the Ed has shared with us. We are a complete mess and the American way unfortunately, is to just throw money at probs in the hope that they will just go away. The probs we have are those money can`t fix. Also, Kova coming in is another pointless signing which makes NO sense at all. We BR has spent well over 200m YET our defence is a shambles and we are still tootheless in attack BUT we are collecting mids like a Kim Kardashian collects selfies. When are we going to address the real issues with the squad and the club`s deep rooted issues? We are spending the way Chelsea and City were doing with NOTHING to show for it and many on here are just ignoring this blatant fact all in the name of "support the club no matter what" or "stay positive". NONSENSE! God help us because with the kind of leadership or lack thereof, we will be come a perrenial midtable team.

12 Jun 2015 13:39:02
I only poke my nose so far! I tried to ask what their specific job title was once. got the cold shoulder haha. Worth the try. But Eds maybe I was just trying to get an apprenticeship? Taking anyone on?

I love the interaction though. Ed002 is easily the most sarcastic person I've never met - its fun to watch.

Anyway Ed001, serious question. I asked previously but it slipped through the net. Why hasn't there been official statementof the sacking of Marsh and Pascoe?

{Ed001's Note - I thought I did reply to this? Maybe you missed it mate? Anyway, they are always slow with these confirmations, every time someone goes the speculation is rife around the net for ages before the club get round to confirming it.}

12 Jun 2015 13:39:49
The sad thing is that our 'bulldozing' through the use of crap such as lowballing has got us absolutely nowhere. Did it stop us from paying around 20m for Markovic? 25m for Lallana? 15m for Allen?

12 Jun 2015 13:44:48
Redohio, you've been posting for months tearing into Rodgers but saying things like "FSG will not tolerate failure / they did X, Y and Z in baseball" etc etc. People were trying to say to you that the issues go deeper than just the manager.
When the new television / streaming markets mature in the Far East and USA, FSG will cash in and be off back to their baseball mate.

12 Jun 2015 14:02:48
Hi eds

Thanks for the input. Best we don't know the petty things that are disruptive. However we do know that there are "BAD" things going on behind the scenes.

Lets just hope that the player comes in and be a success and not let these things effect him.

YNWA-SA

12 Jun 2015 16:17:27
Eds
i just want to say thank you so much for being as candid as you have been on this thread. I have genuinely always been perplexed as to what that imperceptible and intangible factor has always been that has seemed to make transfer dealings regarding this club so much more strained and tenuous than, seemingly, what occurs with other clubs.

12 Jun 2015 16:54:26
Agree with South Aussie Red, and thank the Ed's as its good to understand why we seem to fail so regularly with transfers. Personally I would love it if Ed001 were to be proved wrong about us not returning to glory due to lack of leadership. But we seem to be a club that's constantly is a state of transition, and have owners who don't fully understand the game and team we love.

12 Jun 2015 19:23:19
Cheers for the info eds. Keep up the good work

12 Jun 2015 22:43:48
Juicer, I was wrong and I admit it hence, the furor you feel in my comments. I thought the owners were diff but now, I know they and BR are all the same.

12 Jun 2015 22:51:55
If we pull this deal off, I will be very excited as I think this guy is a class act and at such a young age for central midfielder. My fingers are firmly crossed Ed001 on your comment, but understand to not get excited until it is confirmed. Thanks to all for info.

13 Jun 2015 01:19:07
Is there any way to find out what the agent has said online Ed apart from here where I understand why you wouldn't want to say it. This kind of stuff interests me as I do business and a module based around negotiations in college.

Cheers

{Ed001's Note - no, it was not said publicly.}

14 Jun 2015 15:00:30
Very disheartened to hear LFC is being run like this. Although it is hardly a surprise, given the fiascoes we have had to stomach in recent years.

I'm just surprised people who have been so successful in VERY competitive arenas such as hedge funds, television, and major league baseball, are making such a pig's year of running LFC.

Up til now I was glad we were run by "proper" businessmen rather than oil and gas oligarchs from dodgy countries.

But I am rapidly losing faith. Perhaps 2017 and a change of ownership is our best bet?







 

 

 
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