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20 Sep 2017 21:16:20
Hi eds
I know we signed matip on a free way before the transfer window opened. Is there anyone We could sign in the coming weeks leading up to Jan that would help our defence in anyway. It would be nice to know that we had someone lined up ready.
As always thanks.

{Ed001's Note - not that I know of.}

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21 Sep 2017 02:51:23
We signed Matip early because his contract was expiring, not many players contracts expire in January.

21 Sep 2017 03:42:34
I did a search and Joe lescott is available ;)
Two interesting players in Jan Kirchoff and flamini are available too.

21 Sep 2017 08:11:40
Jan Kirchoff? The massive German who kept Sunderland up single handedly 2 years ago?

That can't be right. If it is he must be injured. He is a decent centre back/ holding midfielder from what I've seen. Sunderland were soft, lacked leadership, lacking in steel and fight etc and he went in there and was a massive part of their turn around.

I didn't see enough of him to know if he is good enough for Liverpool, but he is a better defender than Lovren and Klavan that is for sure!

{Ed001's Note - he is awful MKS, he is slow, cumbersome and got the credit for no reason I could see. He was always about 6 yards behind the play, but he put in a couple of good passes and suddenly he was the reincarnation of Beckenbauer in the media. One man kept Sunderland up that season and it was not Kirchhoff, it was Allardyce. Kirchhoff is injured, he did his cruciate, but he is simply not as good as people believe. He makes Matip look lively when chasing back.}

21 Sep 2017 11:50:56
How can you claim he kept them up single handedly then further state you didn't see enough to see how good he actually was?

I like your efforts MK, I just don't think the knowledge is there.

21 Sep 2017 11:52:13
I'm not saying he'd suit us Ed. Every game i saw him in though he was arguably man of the match so that's all i can go off of. I agree he looks too slow for us and i only saw him 2 or 3 times so I'm certainly not going to suggest we sign him. He was a monster at set pieces though and seemed to get the best out of the useless players he had around him. As a pure defender though he looked decent. Nothing special, just decent. If he signed for us he'd just be another stop gap so I'd rather we wait anyway.

I was just surprised he didn't have a club. He'd suit a team like West Brom, Palace, Huddersfield etc. If he has a cruciate injury though, that explains it.

21 Sep 2017 13:58:33
So the day we feared has come injuries too centre backs an they were already rubbish, now we have no cover total crime too neglect the transfer window for defensive cover.

21 Sep 2017 15:23:13
Lol ed (≧▽≦)

21 Sep 2017 16:47:03
Smplfc, i can only judge what i saw. I watched Sunderland with and without him that season and they were a completely different side. Maybe I've confused the impact of Kirchoff, with the impact of Allardyce. But those two coming in definitely coincided with Sunderland becoming much harder to beat and a much more solid looking unit. Then when they didn't have him last season they were back to being an flaccid bunch of strangers. Again, could've been Allardyce being gone too though.

Unfair to suggest I've not got any knowledge though when all I've done is call a player I've watched a few times decent. Hardly gone over board with the praise have i 😂 although i have since noticed i missed an almost out of my original post. It should've read "almost single handedly" so perhaps that is why people are jumping down my throat for daring to suggest Kirchoff is a mid table Premier League player 🙄 Khazri, Kirchoff and Kone changed their season i thought. I mean you can disagree but when they signed Sunderland looked doomed to go down, but their fortunes were completely changed. You are all so quick to claim that you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear when i defend our players, so you can't then in the same breath say that Sunderland staying up was 100% down to Allardyce. He clearly added players who could make the difference, but that is my point. Kirchoff was part of the change that made that difference.

Anyway, feel like we're splittng hairs over terminology, my choice of cliché phrase (which has seemingly been taken way too literally), and people are perhaps jumping to the conclusion that i think he'd be a good signing for us. I'd still be surprised if Kirchoff struggles to find a mid table top flight club once he's fit. Be that in England or back in Germany the bloke is clearly a decent player. From a Liverpool perspective i appreciate he's not good enough, but for a team dwelling at the bottom struggling to keep out goals he would be seen as a big step up in defensive quality. Horses for courses mate, you can't view everything from Liverpool's world or else we are saying that a good 95% of pro footballers are terrible! It's all relative 😉.

21 Sep 2017 17:58:03
You have also taken my point out of context mate.

My point isn't your end assessment on the player, it's the fact that you made the asssessment and then when Ed disagreed you stated that you had only actually watched him "2 or 3 times". Not once did I say I don't rate the player or it was all down to big Sam, nor am I pushing something down your throats for having an opinion.

I actually agree with your initial statement. I disagree with eds views and although Sam definitely signed players to pay to his strength, he was one that looked like he had a bit of class about him.

My point is and that's all it is in my opinion, lack of experience leads you to make large opinions without backing them up properly or forming them to either agree with Ed or to disagree with the majority.

Like I said mate it wasn't a dig, all a bit of light hearted banter, but I actually rate Kirchoff!

21 Sep 2017 20:44:27
We started to go downhill when Djimi Traore and Kewell left.

22 Sep 2017 00:28:14
omalley is correct, everything is clear for me now.

22 Sep 2017 10:30:21
Actually that Hoffenheim CB is pretty fast, he caught up with Mane when matip started 1st.

22 Sep 2017 12:56:48
Relaxlabrudder,
Are you referring to their captain who needlessly gave the ball to Salah near the half way line and almost gave us a throw away goal?
I can appreciate anyone making a mistake but a glaring one like that is not really needed in a defence like ours at the moment thanks lol!

22 Sep 2017 21:30:00
Klopp must have forseen the scenario loosing Matip/ Lovren. I would guess he just have a lot of FAITH in Gomez. Maybe WE should support this?
I really really like Gomez. He's got pace, he's calm, he has ability on the ball. He may lack a bit of rutine, and some belief in himself. Maybe both Klopp and me would have chosen to ease the "kid" in over the season, but HEY, he might grab the PL by the balls, in september!







 

 

 
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