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02 Jan 2024 13:10:00
Hi Eds
Is there anything in the rumours we are interested in Kimmage from Bayern.
{Ed002's Note - Perhaps this has cropped up with representatives of his club in London talking to Fulham and Chelsea this week, but it would be hugely expensive.
Joshua Kimmich (DM) Bayern Munich will now make him available, a signifificant fee of €90M plus would be sought - well beyond what interested sides Barcelona or Manchester City would pay for a 28 year old on €400k per week although Manchester City may well look to find a solution that suits everybody. However, talks have already been held with Al Ahli over a move. A wildcard option would be Manchester United.}
1.) 02 Jan 2024 16:32:08
I’d class him in the no thank you list
Good player but better value out their and I’m not convinced he would be suited to the prem.
2.) 02 Jan 2024 17:36:31
Think he'd struggle like schweinsteiger, not for me.
3.) 02 Jan 2024 17:39:53
If he's ready for sunday league desert ball already, he can do one.
4.) 02 Jan 2024 18:48:56
"Kimmage".
Didn't know Brian Kerr posted here.
21 Mar 2023 19:53:09
But Ed nobody knows what's going on with Bellingham I would be amazed if he hasn't spoken to Liverpool players. I would be shocked if he hasn't made up his mind at this stage were he wants to go. He is smart enough to leave Birmingham and go to Dortmund, and whilst Liverpool have not opened negotiations with Dortmund we don't know if we have spoken to his agent and father.
{Ed002's Note - We know that Liverpool have spoken to his father without permission to try and influence the sale and tgat Dortmund have formerly warned Liverpool and another side who did the same.}
1.) 21 Mar 2023 20:01:26
When you don’t have the cash in hand you try cheap tricks! Not the first time we did that. Didn’t we?
2.) 21 Mar 2023 20:06:47
Is his father his agent or not? And if he is is it not legal to approach the agent of a player to see how they feel about joining?
{Ed002's Note - No his father is not a registered agent or football lawyer. Perhaps Liverpool are thinking about claiming stupidity that they don’t understand the vey simple rules.}
3.) 21 Mar 2023 20:58:10
Who was the other team, Ed002?
{Ed002's Note - Manchester United.}
4.) 21 Mar 2023 22:18:17
So has bellingham got a registered agent or football lawyer?
{Ed002's Note - Yes, indeed.}
21 Mar 2023 19:30:20
Bellingham holds the cards he doesn't have to go anywere he doesn't want to. Simply if he wants to go to Liverpool and Dortmund don't want him to go there they will be faced with a very disappointed player and we know how that works. He is only 19/ 20 and can wait out his contract and Dortmund get nothing.
{Ed002's Note - He has not suggested anything of the sort and Liverpool are not negotiating with Dortmund. Posts are getting embarrassing and the price for Liverpool will be going up.}
1.) 22 Mar 2023 03:02:57
Cheers Alwaysred, posts pushing up Bellingham price, son's crying.
2.) 22 Mar 2023 18:03:54
how do you know what Bellingham has said or done
ed02 are you his agent and how do you know it was not Bellingham's father that contacted LFC .
I bet Chelsea have spoken to his father they are worse than any football club for breaking rules .
I just think you have a downer on LFC you have for years so get your head out your arse and stop dissing LFC blue nose.
24 Jan 2023 18:49:56
Am lead to believe Julian Ward is in discussions with Jude Bellingham. No word if it happens when it happens.
1.) 24 Jan 2023 19:46:03
Reading twitter are we?
2.) 24 Jan 2023 20:51:34
Or Sky.
3.) 24 Jan 2023 21:07:01
Sometimes dream do come true we should know this being Liverpool fans.
4.) 24 Jan 2023 21:36:37
Shouldn’t he be talking to Dortmund or his manager first?
5.) 24 Jan 2023 22:03:33
Need more then jude him + 2.
6.) 25 Jan 2023 06:06:58
Julian ward off to Dortmund then?
7.) 25 Jan 2023 06:48:50
Bellingham is happening 100%. Still need atleast 1 more midfielder though. The only way it doesn't happen is if fsg don't back klopp this summer.
8.) 25 Jan 2023 08:13:22
So we’re signing Bellingham 100% unless we don’t? If we don’t it’s 100% the owners fault? No other possible reasons? That’s convenient.
9.) 25 Jan 2023 09:51:39
More chance of me signing him for my grandsons Saturday morning team. This Bellingham nonsense needs to stop.
10.) 25 Jan 2023 10:24:52
what we want to know is when anyone at liverpool is in discussions with dortmund.
11.) 25 Jan 2023 10:37:17
ORT - why do you think he won’t sign and that it’s nonsense?
The money has been made available for our targets in the past, most recently Nunez and Gakpo.
I actually think we are very much in the running for Bellingham. He may choose to go to City or Real in the end. But that’s life. It’s not nonsense to say we are trying to sign him in the summer though.
12.) 25 Jan 2023 11:09:08
Agree with you there, Navy Keith, 100%.
13.) 25 Jan 2023 13:11:37
I 100% think Liverpool signs Jude Bellingham.
14.) 25 Jan 2023 14:00:17
I wouldn’t be shocked if we DIDN’T sign a midfielder in summer tbh.
It was obvious last summer and it’s obvious Now we need 1/ 2 midfielders but we’re refusing to do anything.
So I wouldn’t rule out another blank tbh, they might give Milly and Naby new deals and concentrate on the defence.
15.) 25 Jan 2023 22:45:18
The difference this summer is that we will be getting rid of two senior squad midfielders - Ox and Naby and will (probably) be downgrading Millie’s playing time (I think he will be a fixture on the bench and used as cover for mid and defence) and also downgrading Hendo and possibly Fabs and Thiago depending on who we buy.
I actually think we will buy 2 mids, I would like / hope one is Bellingham (in two or three years he could - if he fulfils his potential) be the best in the world and the second one is anyone’s guess. I would have said a replacement for Fabs up until a couple of months ago but young Bajcetic seems to be making a case for himself, so it might be a more ‘Thiago type’ purchase.
16.) 25 Jan 2023 23:27:39
“We’re refusing to do anything”
?.
17.) 26 Jan 2023 16:47:33
Translation - "the club isn't doing what we're telling it to do".
02 Jan 2023 17:45:12
Any truth we have bid 40m for Nunes from Wolves.
{Ed002's Note - Matheus Nunes (CM/DM) Manchester City and Spurs were very keen in the summer but it went nowhere. Scouts from Liverpool and Borussia Dortmund looked at him last season and have returned again this season. A potential option to Amrabat and others considered by Liverpool. Klopp of course has re-iterated there will be no more signings and a favoured journalist has done the same.}
1.) 02 Jan 2023 18:34:31
Nunes looks decent whenever I've seen him play but not sure he's the answer. On tonight's performance we need a lot more than 1 midfielder. We have been awful all season. Something has to change but maybe klopp is to stubborn.
2.) 02 Jan 2023 18:28:57
So we are looking at him again Ed for a possible January addition?
{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}
3.) 02 Jan 2023 18:48:04
Can’t see why they’d sell him for that much knowing how desperate we are. As long as we avoid Amrabat though.
4.) 02 Jan 2023 18:51:54
We all know spurs and City were interested in the summer. The question was did we put a bid in for him. Only the inner sanctum will know the answer to that.
5.) 02 Jan 2023 19:09:18
Yes I’ve read it the post Ed. Can anyone else answer me on there thoughts if it’s a January addition or the summer?
6.) 02 Jan 2023 19:43:10
Think this team needs more than that we are awful at the moment embarrassingly awful.
7.) 02 Jan 2023 19:52:30
Tell FSG to release fund to buy midfielders plse. Tell FSG do not let us go back to those 30 years plse.
8.) 02 Jan 2023 19:54:15
Daretodream klopp said no more signings so that's the answer right ther ?♂️.
9.) 02 Jan 2023 20:12:39
Klopps arrogance is amazing.
10.) 02 Jan 2023 20:25:23
klopp is clueless.
{Ed025's Note - come on patty, hes still one of the best around mate, stop being so fickle and reactionary ffs..
11.) 02 Jan 2023 20:32:53
ya fair enough 25, but he has had a fecking mare this season. I mean in 5-6 months there has been no discernible improvement. deterioration if anything.
Is a world class coach not supposed to improve the team through coaching? In fact the players look and play like they don't know what they are doing, or supposed to do. Maybe its the Ljinders thing but who knows.
{Ed025's Note - we dont know the whole story though patty, who,s to say hes not had a say or given the funds to upgrade the midfield?, hes not going to go public and slate the owners but i cant see a manager of his calibre not being able to see where the problems lie mate..
12.) 02 Jan 2023 20:38:04
The Matteus Nunes story is apparently that FSG don’t believe they can compete for Bellingham and they see Nunes as a viable cheap alternative next summer. Which sounds about true.
13.) 02 Jan 2023 20:50:03
We need midfielders now, not next summer.
No champions league, no midfielder worth his salt will want to come to us.
Time to sell FSG.
14.) 02 Jan 2023 21:00:34
We need midfielders now AND in the summer.
4 midfielders are likely to leave in the summer
2 of the remaining are into their 30s with Fabinho rapidly approaching.
15.) 02 Jan 2023 21:46:39
Signing Nunes is pointless. He could not play for us until next season anyway.
16.) 02 Jan 2023 21:54:01
Midfield too lightweight and slow. Need a couple of athletic ball players in the middle. No real energy at the moment or strength.
17.) 02 Jan 2023 21:05:23
I can’t see why all of a sudden our midfield looks like championship level? Everyone looks like they’ve lost a good are or 2 and is just no fight there other than maybe Thiago who huffs and puffs. Any ideas where we go from here ed001?
{Ed001's Note - we need to go back to what Klopp brought when he first got here.}
18.) 03 Jan 2023 00:00:11
Do you think we will revert back the way when Klopp first came here ED1? It doesn't look like it. It looks like he doesn't know what the problems is.
{Ed001's Note - I don't see it happening sadly but it needs to.}
19.) 03 Jan 2023 01:06:42
Well if it is not happening then we will be in for rough time. He is too stubborn and too loyal to his players. And he need to admit that we play like s*it instead of blaming in on referees.
He says we need to sell players to raise cash to buy players. Then do that instead of letting them leave for free. Can, Gini, Lallana, Origi and now Firmino, Keita and Ox to follow. Our squad planning for past few years has been horrible.
Sorry ED, little bit of rant here. Feeling bit p. off with the club.
20.) 03 Jan 2023 08:00:43
Blaming Klopp when the owners have let the side burn out? I feel for Elliott as he is being made a scapegoat now, is clearly not the type of midfielder Gini was but we have reverted to high full backs, with no cover and the stupid high line which is exposed every time, we changed formation and it worked, hoping Gakpo brings something with him as that midfield is done.
21.) 02 Jan 2023 21:52:32
I agree with that Ed he’s not stupid but he is very very stubborn. To continue the high line with this squad will never work.
{Ed025's Note - imo mark pep has got too much input and is the reason for the change in style. For me you need the press back but you may need a couple brought in for that to happen mate..
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10 Jul 2023 21:00:19
Hendo is 33 at most he has maybe 1/ 2 years to play, if an offer came in for him that allows us to go and buy another quality defender/ midfield player then we should take that and move on. The problem is Liverpool hold on to players through loyalty when we need to be more cut throat in our dealings. We have limited funds and cannot afford to be sentimental. Unless an existing player can be a first choice then we need to move them on.
1.) 10 Jul 2023 22:06:12
OP, Hendo is going nowhere, IMO. He will now play the Milner role, IMO and Klopp won't sell both leaders and captains in one window. I do not see that happening. That is not being sentimental. That is being pragmatic.
2.) 10 Jul 2023 22:39:01
I agree with Oli. Hendo shouldn't be pushed out the door. If he chooses to go that is different, as there is no point forcing an unhappy player to stay.
3.) 10 Jul 2023 23:39:02
How much would you expect us to get for Hendo? I'd we signed a midfielder for that amount I would expect the pages here to be full of abuse. We won't be able to afford a third quality centre mid this summer so let's keep our captain and he should be able to contribute on and off the pitch.
4.) 11 Jul 2023 01:54:34
Hendo will be fine and can play another 2-3 seasons here at a reducing role over that time.
People are far too video game about how they treat players.
5.) 11 Jul 2023 06:49:33
Agreed faith. He has another year or 2 in him in the reduced role of milly. However like players of his age I would like to see him retire from England and prolong his club career. John Barnes did it for years in midfield.
6.) 11 Jul 2023 10:20:25
If people think Klopp will sell Hendo for whatever money we will get for him should he go to Saudi Arabia just to finance their shiny new toy du jour then, they had better get their complaints in early cos that ain't going to happen this summer.
7.) 11 Jul 2023 13:22:22
I personally don't think Henderson will be sold, we have lost too many leaders recently for klopp to allow that to happen. A 32yo who has been here 10 years is not the issue.
However, there needs to be serious questions asked how many players we let run down contracts who could attract sizeable fees. In recent years Gini, Can, Origi, Keita, Firmino, Ox etc have all left on frees. there needs to be decisive action when contracts are ending. This baffles me, clearly klopp is too loyal at times and decision needs to be taken by the club.
8.) 12 Jul 2023 00:42:17
Have you seen how ripped Hendo looks preseason? Guy ain’t going anywhere, clearly looks up for the fight.
04 May 2023 13:10:40
Real Madrid have a reputation for paying over the odds for players and yet those young players fail to reach their full potential. Honestly for 132m we can buy great quality midfield players, if we had spent all our money on Bellingham we wouldn't have any money left to buy supporting players to play alongside him. Bellingham would have become fed up having to do all the work. We have too many players leaving that all need replaced.
1.) 04 May 2023 13:21:03
Alwaysred, RM have rich people problems so they can afford splurges like that for Jude. We have way worse problems than they do. How people though we had the same problems they have and could afford 132m for one player with no history of ever spending that on one player, continues to beggar belief.
2.) 04 May 2023 13:35:27
Real Madrid didn’t sign Athur Melo on loan to solve years of midfield neglect ?.
3.) 04 May 2023 13:49:39
I’m not saying we are interested or claim to know the fee that would be involved. I’m simply stating the player I would go for in regards to that attacking midfielder role and that would be Florian Wirtz. He literally turned 20 years old yesterday and is so composed for his age both at club and international level. He has so much potential to improve further and I believe he could, with the key word being could. But he could become world class. Florian Wirtz alongside Mac Allister and Bajcetic or Ugarte would complete our midfield for years to come. Funds permitting of could but all that would left is to sign a class defender (Gvardiol) and we are back to challenging in all competitions.
4.) 04 May 2023 13:56:50
They’ve replaced Kroos, Modric and Casemiro with Bellingham, Tchouameni and Camavinga. That is amazing squad planning, which is unfortunately well beyond what Liverpool can or are willing to do. Real Madrid don’t have the quality they used to (Ronaldo and Bale to Vinicius and Rodrygo is a HUGE downgrade in quality, and Rudiger will never replace Ramos) but they will win many more Champions Leagues with that midfield should they replace Benzema properly. It’s genuinely irritating how, had we planned better, two of their new midfielders may have been ours.
5.) 04 May 2023 15:04:32
Awk Real Madrid just have much more cash than us i'm afraid - shame if he does go there though, i'm not sure if Tchouaméni gets much game time atm does he? A midfield of him, Trent and Bellingham would have been amazing for us for years to come
I must admit though I do have a smile everytime I read Perez complaining about PSG or Man City and the unfair way they compete in the transfer market - whilst I do agree that it's not fair, the paradox is not lost on me as it is exactly the same thing that Real Madrid and Barcelona did for years upon years.
6.) 04 May 2023 15:13:23
LoweLFC. Yep, that’s called proper forward planning. Something we have zero of unfortunately. I’m over Bellingham but the fact we pulled out because we can’t spend that much on one player is no one’s fault but our own. If we forward planned well we wouldn’t be left doing a massive rebuild in one transfer window and most likely would have signed Bellingham as it would simply be a case of quality in one or two positions.
As for Madrid Ronaldo cannot be replaced. Well, he could be replaced by one player. Actually, two players currently playing and the funny thing is in a years time they will probably have both players. I see Madrid selling a number of their players to raise funds and reduce the wage bill to sign Mbappe this summer. Then next summer Haaland’s release clause activates and they will most likely sign him. Now a forward line of Mbappe and Haaland alongside that midfield trio of Bellingham, Tchouameni and Camavinga would see the Galatico days return but this time with purpose and as a team.
7.) 04 May 2023 15:17:22
Did we ever ever have history of spending 75 mill on a centre half or 66 million on a keeper before we signed Vvd and Alison.
8.) 04 May 2023 15:23:02
Yeah that Vinicius is crap, never caused us any bother at all ?.
9.) 04 May 2023 15:31:09
I don't think the overspend matters to a degree. Real Madrid brand themselves at the top of the pyramid and they need to uphold that imagery. Why build a small church, when you can buy a cathedral? It's expensive branding that has worked in the past.
10.) 04 May 2023 16:12:47
We were linked with all of those players at one point or another! It would be foolish of me to suggest we could have competed against Madrid for any of them. It seems that in addition to the obvious pull of Real Madrid, the way that they have presented a vision and a plan to these players has clearly been very impressive. They are moving away from the Galacticos project, and younger prospects have been very enticed by what they have been promised.
Contrastingly, we are a mess and have been for a few years. I hope we can put that right, but maybe it is one of those things where it had to get worse before it could get better. I hope we never make the mistakes we have made over the past 4 summers again.
I think Bellingham was only ever viable within our old, broken strategy. The club didn't believe it needed to sign anybody else, just him and whoever else the coaching staff took a fancy to, no matter how long they had to wait or how much they had to sacrifice. They were happy to occasionally add players they were impressed by, but didn't think it important to engage with much else in the way of succession planning. They thought it was possible to have the most intense style of play and the longest-serving squad, which of course is ridiculous.
I'm very disappointed because I was so excited to see Bellingham in a Liverpool shirt, and I really do think he will go on to be the best in his position. Unfortunately, it just doesn't seem right. It was the pipe dream of a strategy that ultimately, I think we can all agree, has been a disaster. We need more than Jude Bellingham, and the exhausting circus that now follows him.
What does that look like? I'm not so sure. Mac Allister? Thuram? What about centre back? Where will Trent play? Which senior players will leave? Which academy players will be good enough? I have honestly no idea. There's simply too much uncertainty and too much that needs to change, and the fact that we now recognize that is a good thing.
Jude Bellingham was only ever viable in a fairytale land where we kept all of our most senior players into their 40's, where nobody needed to be replaced, where we only added one player every summer, and where we no longer played pressing football. That is where we were headed, and it doesn't look like we're headed there anymore.
I allowed myself to get my hopes up, and I am gutted, but the alternative we are now pursuing is the only way to get back to the top.
11.) 04 May 2023 16:44:11
Did Klopp not spend time in Monaco last Season trying to convince Tchouameni to choose Liverpool over Madrid?
12.) 04 May 2023 16:57:01
Real Madrid aren't run like that anymore to be fair to them, their recruitment of young players over recent years has been phenomenal. Vinicius, Rodrygo, Valverde were all masterstrokes. Even their senior signings like Tchou, Camavinga and Militao have all been sensible signings as well.
13.) 04 May 2023 17:08:17
I know we may want to pretend that Bellingham will flop at Madrid to make us feel better. But he will tear it up there (barring any injuries), win multiple La Liga's and probably a few Champions leagues too. If he plays his cards right he may become the best british player and go down as a legend for them.
Personally, I think he has chosen Madrid, who could blame him. But he isn't going to a direct Premier League rival and there are plenty of fish in the sea. Onwards and Upwards.
14.) 04 May 2023 17:44:02
WYred. I agree mate. Just glad he chose Madrid instead of City. Mac Allister, Ugarte, Florian Wirtz and a defender if there were to happen would probably be our best transfer window in recent memory. Now that would truly be onwards and upwards.
15.) 04 May 2023 17:52:43
Real are owned by Royals, and Franco money. They benefit from all kinds of subtle and not so subtle biases.
What happened to our fans in Paris was a f'kin joke-No RM fans suffered that.
These fine margins have won them tournaments.
Can't stand the bunch of cants.
16.) 04 May 2023 18:45:01
I've never known so much hand-wringing about one player who we had such little chance of signing in reality. I pray he signs for RM today so that we can all move on stop chatting about him on here!
17.) 04 May 2023 19:37:46
Johnnyr1970. Jude Bellingham is fantastic young player with a lot of potential but he ain’t signing and like you the sooner the Madrid deal gets done the better. Mac Allister, Ugarte and an attacking midfielder whoever that maybe. Personally Florian Wirtz is my pick but just a good attacking midfielder and we go again. Oh, and don’t forget a defender. Those 4 signings would be a great window.
18.) 04 May 2023 19:41:53
@johnnyr, why do you think the kid signing for Real Madrid will stop the chatter mate? There are people on here who still talk about us needing to replace Wijnaldum and he’s been gone for about 15 years now. Just you wait until they announce that Bellingham has a five year contract, the countdown to 2028 will begin.
19.) 04 May 2023 20:26:46
I like to think of the "years of midfield neglect" as "years of midfield mismanagement". We ended up with a midfield consisting of regular visitors to the rehab unit and youngsters coming through (which I love) . Not sure having 9 first team midfielders, is neglectful, but it is mismanagement.
20.) 05 May 2023 01:11:35
LFC Hopeful -
Vinicius destroying us time after time says more about us being awful and going to pieces against Real Madrid than about the player’s actual quality. He’s a good player but not in the same league as Ronaldo. And forget the Rodrygo-Bale comparison.
Madrid won 4 Champions Leagues with Ronaldo and Bale, and a few league titles. Now, they’re being destroyed in the league by an awful Barcelona team and will likely get knocked out of the CL by City.
21.) 05 May 2023 03:01:08
We, as LFC fans want to see things through rose tinted glasses. Real Madrid are head and shoulders above LFC, in all departments. It's no luck or by chance that a team wins 5 European cups (amongst a slew of other cups) just in the last 10 years. Apart from Hazard, I don't think there have been major transfer failures at RM either, plus they have recouped good money on players they have moved on.
Being a LFC fan we can all keep chalking the success of clubs like RM, Man C, Bay Mun, Chels (forget this season) to money they have/ had, but the fact is these clubs are not just successful because they had money; they are supremely successful because winning is all they think about and are extremely focused and motivated with winning. Money certainly helps them, but it's about the mentality of the club through and through, something which LFC just hasn't been able to instill and sustain for a long period.
I love Liverpool football club, but there is a difference when a club is able to maintain a certain calibre of football and winning streak for over a decade/ two decades, vs. clubs that do it for 3-4 years.
29 Mar 2023 18:58:50
A footballer can get an injury that finishes his career fir ever with one innocent tackle. I know of a few under 18 players who picked up a stupid injury but that injury was enough to finish their career. Players train every day and have diet plans they have to stick to and can get dropped by their club at any stage. There are limited numbers that can play at any time so they need to be super fit. If your a plumber you can do that job for 40 years, with no threat of injuries and hey you might not be paid the same but you can enjoy life just as much.
{Ed025's Note - what a load of tosh, either a plumber on £30k a year or a mo salah on £350k per week....let me think?...oh yeah i will choose the latter and have a working life of 15 years then retire to my yacht off a caribbean island, instead of being a plumber who has a 4 day holiday in a caravan in robin hood camp every 2 years..
1.) 29 Mar 2023 19:48:44
Lionel Messi dreams of becoming a plumber when he retires.
{Ed025's Note - well hes made a good start thunderbird...hes already the biggest shirthouse in football mate..
2.) 29 Mar 2023 20:24:03
I'll have nothing said against Robin Hood camp. except for the lack of a guard rail on their helter-skelter in 1982, which resulted in a 10-foot fall and a broken wrist. for yours truly. Otherwise 8/ 10.
3.) 29 Mar 2023 20:58:18
Wow that first post really is wild and incredibly out of touch, what an odd comparison to make, especially to say plumbers or any tradesmen for that matter don't have any injuries. Most lads at that age after 30-40+ years working are struggling to walk, hell even people sat on their arse in an office end up with a bad back.
You can try and make the argument being a footballer is a tough job and some people might agree, but please not compare earning tens or hundreds of thousands a week to the real world.
{Ed025's Note - spot on AAR91..
4.) 29 Mar 2023 21:23:58
Unless you come from a long line of plumbers dating back hundreds of years… and your surname is Plumber…. and it was your dads dream for you to become a plumber… and your sole mission in life is living up to your dads plumbing legacy seeing as he won plumber of the year 20 years on the bounce… that aside, I cannot logically understand anyone that would choose plumbing over being a footballer. even with the ‘dangers’ it poses.
5.) 29 Mar 2023 21:27:39
I take it always red has never had a hard days work in his life, coz if he did, he wouldn't be saying that.
6.) 29 Mar 2023 22:38:34
Do footballers have a lot of dedication to keep themselves fit? Yes 100% but they also turn up for 180 mins a week (some weeks 90!) and then the training in between. I would wager a guess that if I had that much spare time I would be happy to spend some time in a gym. Footballers have a far easier life then those on the tools.
If given a choice between grafting 40-50 hours a week for 30k or earning 350k a week to be a pro footballer, I'd be dropping that plunger quicker then you can say Mo Salah!
7.) 29 Mar 2023 22:26:48
I agree thunderbird, when messi retires, he'll grow a little moustache, don some red overalls and a cap, then off he goes fulfilling his lifelong plumbing dream.
Dun dun dun, du du du du dun dun, dun dun.
8.) 30 Mar 2023 04:04:44
Paul Merson reckons being a plumber is harder than being a surgeon! Being a footballer is bloody easy. The money they earn is beyond a joke for what they do! Im sure it comes with it's challenges but try being a doctor or nurse working 70 + hours a week for next to nothing! The money in football has pretty much ruined the game.
9.) 30 Mar 2023 04:55:26
Being a footballer is easy.
Don’t think I’ve read any more load of rubbish trash piece of crap ever in my life.
10.) 30 Mar 2023 05:16:21
I'm sure being a footballer comes with its own set of challenges that we as regular folk will never experience and can never relate to. Although, from the outside looking in, they do seem to have it good, without ever having to worry about money, a luxury that many of us here would love to have. Still, not for me to say that their job is easier than mine.
11.) 30 Mar 2023 09:17:15
Or you can just play for a Sean Dyche team and be a footballer and a plumber at the same time.
12.) 30 Mar 2023 09:17:23
A plumber is absolutely working harder than a footballer and is absolutely more valuable to society. But I don't back that up with how I spend my money. My toilet takes 2 flushes to clear and my stupid design tap shoots water across the bathroom, but I've been putting off getting a plumber in for 12 months because it'll cost about £100. In that same time frame I've bought 2 Liverpool shirts at about £50 a pop, a whole host of LFC merchandise around Christmas and also paid about £80 a month for Sky, BT and Prime.
So I'm a hypocrite until i put my money where my mouth is. We all are. Sadly society rewards how much you're worth to the business profit/ how hard you are to replace, rather than rewarding your value to society/ how hard you work. That's just Capitalism! You often see the same argument about Nurses but how many people want to pay £1000 a year to use the NHS? I get annoyed if the hospital car park is more than £1 an hour even though I'm literally seeing a surgeon who did 7 years in university for free. When you think about whether your actions back up your words you realise that we're all responsible for footballers salaries. How many of you are posting 10 times a day on an NHS-rumours site?
Ultimately we can all live without football but until we vote with our wallets nothing's going to change. I refrain from moaning about their salaries because I'm not actually doing anything about it. It's best to just detach normal reality from celebrity/ sport culture. Sometimes your moral compass is only any good for stressing you out!
13.) 30 Mar 2023 14:23:04
Christ MK, how dare you speak sense on this site.
I would much rather you blame the Nurses salary on Klopps loyalty to Jordan Henderson.
14.) 30 Mar 2023 17:43:03
I don’t begrudge pro footballers their salaries, they entertain millions and are some of the most admired people on earth. Many also grew up in abject poverty, and without football would still be there. I also don’t subscribe to the argument about social value. When you are sick, a doctor is obviously worth far more to you than a footballer, but becoming a Premier League footballer is MUCH harder than becoming a doctor, and that’s all there is to it.
However, footballers, ignoring personal circumstances that affect us all, lead far easier lives than most of us.
{Ed025's Note - but a doctor is on about £80,000 a year lowe and save lives, some of these top footballers are on nearly half a million a week mate, if a doctor or surgeon make a mistake then they have a good chance of being struck off and lose their livelihood, a footballer gets put on the bench or transferred but still gets paid, for me most of them are massively overpaid prima-donnas who are not in the real world and a lot of the time act like big time charlies, so yes i do begrudge them amazingly high salaries..
15.) 30 Mar 2023 18:46:04
Well it’s a lot easier than what we have to do faithworks mate.
16.) 30 Mar 2023 19:25:49
Agree Ed025 spot on. Football is entertainment - it’s something that the world can live without. Try removing, for example, doctors and nurses, undertakers (in the 1970’s when everyone was - rightly - on strike there were headlines in the Echo about where they could store the corpses, sanitation workers, bus an train workers … wages are what they are but you can’t help but think that for elite sports players and members of the acting profession they are excessive.
{Ed025's Note - its the conservative dream WDW, keep the working man (or woman) down and reward the rich, i dont want this to sound political but i cant stand the way the privileged get treated ahead of the ordinary guy in the street, and the proof is there for everyone to see, you only have to look at the entertainment industry and people like saville, harris, oj simpson etc who used their wealth to live a life of debauchery and went unchallenged because of their wealth and status, and together with sportspeople like rooney, giggs, barton, greenwood, mendy etc who abused their status and station to commit crimes and get away with them, i call it the "do you know who i am" society mate, it also pertains to business as well like man city who have fiddled the books and cheated for years because the can pay a lawyer millions to find loopholes in the law, i just give up with it all now..
17.) 30 Mar 2023 21:39:13
Let’s think, Iv worked my ass since before I could legally start work, in that time Iv delivered newspapers, served burgers, served in the military, collected debts then educated and trained myself with 2 degrees to become a H&S/ Quality and Environmental manager for a top UK company, all this over the course of about 20 years. Still if I make a mistake in my job people die and along with that guilt I’ll lose everything I’ve worked for to support myself my wife and two kids. In that time Iv probably earned less than a prem footballer does in a single year. So yeah, I’d take the relative ‘risk’ and ‘hard work’ of being a footballer. Love a challenge me ??♂️.
18.) 31 Mar 2023 01:19:55
Living through the miners strikes and mass labour disruptions of the 70s and 80s, I would never have thought that politicians could get away with what they have done for the past 15 years or so and there not be mass demonstrations and riots.
The old standards have bee; torn up. If you get caught, just throw a dead cat on the table until people forget, or pretend an innocuous curry is equivalent to late night parties, vomit, suitcases full of booze and broken kids swings.
But not to worry, uncle Rupert, viscount Rothermere and the Barclays brothers will get you out of it. The bbc will be too scared to ask real questions, the mail will serve up more vomit, and the plebs will doff their caps and tug their forelocks and back to work we go.
Anyway, I’m going for 2 all v city.
19.) 31 Mar 2023 05:12:22
I’m heading off from Liverpool banter, so will just add one last thing. For me Alan Bleasdale summed up the pain and suffering like it was (and is) with The Boys From The Blackstuff. You look at what’s happened since Attila The Hen was in charge and it really does make you want to cry. 2023, Ronaldo, as an example earning literally hundreds of millions as a basic wage and decent hard working people having to resort to using foodbanks. Yes I know that’s not the footballers’ fault but it does say that the way society is being run is a f**king disgrace.
Rant over, back to hoping some maga rich Arab state buys us and we can shell out £ 300 million on Bellingham, Rice and Gvardiol.
20.) 31 Mar 2023 04:37:26
Plumber on 30k a year? You must know some pretty underpaid plumbers Ed lol.
{Ed025's Note - i was talking about mates rates there FMS.. :)
21.) 31 Mar 2023 07:08:15
Gis a job WDW2.
22.) 31 Mar 2023 21:16:47
The Great Tom Finney used to work Saturday morning as a Plumber by trade when it was part of a compulsory working week (44 hours), and then played Saturday afternoon as well for Preston Both Ends!
Six of us (all lads) went to the Robin hood Camp in 1973 aged 18, we had no sugar one day, so the caravan right next to us was all girls from St Helens similar ages, the girl who the lad first asked for some sugar, her first words to him were " i don't like Scousers".
They are still happily married after 50 years with loads of children and grand children, living in St Helens!
23.) 31 Mar 2023 21:45:08
Football generates that kind of money. Id rather players get the big wages than the owners keep it for themselves.
24.) 31 Mar 2023 22:40:16
“Shake hands” @Burkey.
25.) 01 Apr 2023 01:30:49
WDW2, I'm with you on that.
I try to console myself with the 'facts' that Thatcher was stabbed in the front by her own party, died miserably because of that and was too partial to a drink because of it.
Meanwhile, King Arthur is still going and a cult hero.
Never forgive, never forget.
27 Jan 2023 20:16:12
There are so many moaners on this site at the moment. Yes our revenues have increased, but in conjunction with that are wages are the 2nd highest in the PL. These moaners used to complain we couldn't sign the top players because we wouldn't pay the high wages required to get these players but you never hear these moaners compliment the owners, it's all doom and gloom. There are 3 midfield positions up for grabs. We seemed to have found a kid who can play DM and we have Tiago so that leaves one position free and we have 6 players available for that position.
Our issues are 2 fold we concede to many stupid goals mainly from Trents side and we have lost 3 experienced fowards to injury.
An adjustment in tactics and getting some of the injured back and I can see us going on a great unbeaten run.
1.) 27 Jan 2023 20:33:41
Is right always red. Wouldn’t worry too much they only want a ride out of you.
2.) 27 Jan 2023 20:37:58
There is a lot of sense made in your post 'Alwaysred'
3.) 27 Jan 2023 20:43:04
Unbeaten run is useless we need wins.
Thiago are you sure? Part of the problem for me.
Trent is just about our most important player going forward.
The kid is not ready to play that position week in week out he needs help.
As many questions as answers.
4.) 27 Jan 2023 21:32:19
Just skip by them Alwaysred there is a lot that offer nothing but complaints without substance.
5.) 27 Jan 2023 22:58:06
And then there’s the moaners moaning about the moaners ?.
6.) 28 Jan 2023 00:12:57
Think we are all victim or at least the majority of us are to the odd moan, It’s human nature. I fell victim to it earlier today. 100% right though we have no god given right to win every game. That’s never been a thought of mine or the majority of the supporters on the forum. I think it’s the manner in which we have been defeated this season that took most of us by surprise not the defeat itself, although of course that’s disappointing. I honestly don’t mind drawing or losing the odd games here and there as you long as you see some pattern of play, cohesion but importantly fight and spirit or even just the basics in terms of passing etc and to be honest all of the above have been missing for most of the season and we are fast approaching February now just to add some context. This is what has caught us all of guard. Not to mention the drop in form from nearly all the players has been strangest thing I have seen from our team in a while, especially when you consider the quality we know a lot of our players posses, minus the midfield of course. Usually 1 or 2 players are off form and the rest are playing well. Or you can go a step further and say maybe 3 or 4 but to have 9 players out of the first team dramatically underperforming for the length of time they have has been concerning, which I’m sure even you can agree on that.
But come rain or shine, highs or lows I will support the club I love. That is non negotiable and never in doubt. Been here through the days of qualifying for the Champions League being seen as the holy grail. There was a period when we had to watch our Europa Cup against teams none of us had ever heard of on Channel 5 with John Barnes in the studio hosting (dark times that was) . Sometimes we didn’t even qualify for Europe at all. Qualifying for the Champions League was not a given until a certain Jürgen Norbert Klopp, literally the best thing to happen to our club took over. Before he arrived challenging for the title never crossed our minds.
Having said all that I am with you on hard work and graft. The boys need to show us fight and spirit, which is all we can ask for and the rest should fall into place alongside going back to the basics. Also I do see good times are ahead. We have a number of players returning in a few weeks. Still in the FA Cup and with the Champions League anything could happen as we seem to do well in that competition. If we can put a little run together in the league we can gain some momentum, which will give us the confidence to push on from there. Let’s start with a win against Brighton!
7.) 28 Jan 2023 00:15:37
If a long post comes through that was meant for Steve Nicol Pickles thread not this one ?♂️?.
15 Jan 2023 17:40:33
I am not a new fan so as regards the performances recently, something has to change. I think it's clear to everybody Tiago Hendo and Fab are not suddenly all going to hit massive increase in performance levels. The teams that win trophies usually have the best defences, so surely we need to go back to basics and defend properly. Those defenders who can't defend either need to find a new position or club. In the last 4 years we have bought 1 midfield player so you could argue the midfield should know each other so well they should be a cohesive utik but clearly are not. You can't blame 11 players all not performing at once, so it must be the manager/ coach. It's either the manager not getting his message across, tactics, confidence either way the bucks stops with him.
1.) 15 Jan 2023 18:43:35
We’re still setting up as though we’re the superior team and the opposition fear us when more often than not it’s no longer the case. It’s like we assume teams are going to sit 10 men behind the ball and defend for their lives when they play against us, o we plan to knock the ball around and attack them. Then week in week out it’s like we’re surprised when teams attack us and cut right out through.
2.) 15 Jan 2023 18:28:52
I have a question for eds1
If and it’s a big if Klopp was to decide that pep has to leave to move forward who out there would you like to take over as assistant manager for LFC?
{Ed001's Note - I have absolutely no idea to be honest. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head.}
3.) 15 Jan 2023 20:15:15
Xabi Alonso would be a dream assistant. He is just class personified.
4.) 16 Jan 2023 16:47:16
OP, we don't even run anymore so how are we able to compete when we don't even do the very barest of minimums?
13 Feb 2024 15:53:23
Actually Xabi plays 5 at the back 2 holding midfield players and 2 up front.
14 Aug 2023 08:33:16
Liverpool will have met Caicedo's agent to find out if he is interested. As the Spurs manager said re Kane anybody who thinks clubs don't sound out a player before bidding are stupid. No club wants to look foolish, so maybe we were 2nd option. The club have moved on a number of players who clearly were not going to be the quality we needed and that's great. Chelsea are operating a very risky strategy in giving 7 year contracts and hoping if the player doesn't work out they can sell them on at a high price. Even if you amortised a players transfer fee over 8 years that means your initial investment is reducing more slowly so if a player after 3 years doesn't work out you still have to cover a large part of the initial fee in a transfer fee.
Clearly we have some issues to sort but we got a point away to our rivals, yes it would have been better to have won but we haven't lost, and we will get better. So stop moaning about what we haven't got and support what we have got.
13 Apr 2023 20:42:33
I just don't get this Barella thing. We have tried Italien olayers s few times and I can't think of any Italien player who did well in the PL apart from Zola The game is to quick, physical, were as Italien football is slow, methodical, and technically very good.
11 Apr 2023 21:03:15
No way will Liverpool look to Wolves or Championship players. With so many teams having great teams now you will need to have quality players now not in 2/ 3 years.
01 Dec 2022 16:18:36
Don't think there will be new owners just new investors.
14 Feb 2024 15:20:26
The problem is if you pick a SD and he doesn't get on with the HC or Manager then it will all breakdown. The SD buys a player, the Manager doesn't rate him and as such doesn't pick him. We have seen this before. The only way it can work is the club have a direction, the Manager sees a position problem and the SD identifies a number of players who fit the criteria. Discussions take place re price wages suitability and agreement reached and the SD tries to sign the player but the Manager has the ultimate decision who is signed as he will be employed or sacked depending on results.
07 Sep 2023 18:18:35
Taigo will leave in the summer.
11 Aug 2022 14:57:10
Problem for ETH is he needs to replace so many players in the team that it will take years to achieve this, and board and fans won't give him the time to do this. The fans think they are due success because they are Utd and the board and transfer team are so poor that they don't even have a strategy. If you look at Liverpool when they went through this, new owners once they started to grasp the concept of PL football went looking g for the right men to run the various sections and backed them. It's fair to say we rarely make a bad buy and players are now well paid, with a manager who buys into the concept of how the owners want to run the club.
Yes we have made mistakes along the way with Hodgson etc but have learned from these mistakes moved on and improved.
23 Jun 2022 21:21:09
We have 7 midfield players for 3 positions. Fabinho is a certain starter if fit, Henderson as captain will be a mainstay if again fit, and Taiago is also a likely starter, so to pay 70m odds for another midfield player who would they be a certain starter, what do you do with the rest of the midfield players.?
You could argue Henderson would cover for Fabinho, but if Milners contract has been renewed Klopp must be going to give him game time. So you are left with Ox Jones Elliott Kieta for one place. Am not sure unless you sell 2 of those 4 why you would buy another midfield player.
28 Jul 2021 13:30:04
The bottom line is Kieta has played for 3 years for Liverpool and the one thing Klopp insists of all Liverpool players is they give 100% everytime they pull on a shirt.
We have even seen him laying into Salah for not tracking back so why would he make an excuse for Kieta.
Just because Kieta decides to show us his skills against a very average team does not excuse his lack of overall effort.