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23 Oct 2021 14:22:13
Ed2 how do you see the salah saga panning out? I assume all this he wants to stay forever etc is all just posturing and trying to get the club to give him the deal he wants? I know the club need to rebuild and as u have said a few times a big money move to Madrid etc isn’t likely now? So do you think he will get his contract at the expense of someone else or be sold?

{Ed002's Note - I am sure that the club are less than happy with him coming out with this nonsense. Clubs will typically not be held to ransom by players - particularly one who could possibly have been the post-Ronaldo poster boy for Real Madrid if the demands were not so ridiculous. At 30 or thereabouts he still has some value and the club need to make a decision as to whether or not to tell his agent to find a club that will pay £xM for him in the summer or seek and agreement on a new contract. His “agent” has repeatedly spoken with other clubs about the player and that is something else the club will frown upon. I expect the club will look to negotiating the overall cost down or will make a take it or leave it offer - then it will depend on who might be interested in taking him and at what price.}

1.) 23 Oct 2021 14:57:19
Thanks Ed. I am curious where he could end up now. There are only a few clubs that would pay what he is asking for and most of them are in England. PSG have no need for him (but it wouldn’t surprise me) .

Many fans keep saying “pay the man whatever he wants” and while I’m tempted to agree, it seems he is being a bit ridiculous.

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure if there is interest from any side at this time but certainly Italy have tax law advantages over many other countries. Real Madrid and Barcelona are looking at other players. I don’t see England as an option.

2.) 23 Oct 2021 18:27:18
We’re stuck between a rock and a hard place here. We either end up giving him a deal close to what he wants or not, which leaves two options, sell him for peanuts as we certainly won’t be seeing more than £50-60m IF we’re lucky, forget any talk of £100m+, no one is paying that for a 30 year old with one year left on his contract, which means there’s literally no negotiating position or leverage for us, or we let him see his last year out and he goes for free.

Either of those two ways leaves us barely any funds to adequately replace him and given that he’s worth 30 goals a season to the club in goals and assists that’s a huge hole to fill, specially as we rarely score from midfield. Given the targets we’ve been looking at, I’ve no confidence in our ability to bring in someone even remotely good enough.

Anyone remotely thinking it’s easy to replace him, I just say this, it took us until we signed Torres to adequately replace Owen, it took us until we signed Salah to adequately replace Suarez. This time will be even harder as we’re flat broke and competing with four teams who have bottomless pits of money.

3.) 24 Oct 2021 08:06:04
no one thinks it will be easy to replace him. But that isn't a rationale to do everything possible to keep him.

4.) 24 Oct 2021 10:24:44
We are indeed btw Arica and a hard place. As much as I think Salah should kept cos it’s going to be a schtick storm with the club trying to explain to the fan base why they couldn’t keep him, I fully understand everything ED02 has said with his agent being a right muppet thru out Salah’s time here. The club wants to keep him BUTwill not be held to ransoms by some money grubbing agent, for sure. It’s going to be tough and the fans had better be ready for whatever the outcome will be.

5.) 24 Oct 2021 11:06:58
If people don't think LFC are going to have players on 3-400k a week within a few years anyway they are mistaken. someone will be the first at some stage, why not the inform player in world football? if people think our £200k is sustainable that's fine but they are going to have to be happy supporting the team while not expecting trophies which would be ok with me as i love the club but soon squad players at the top clubs will be on more than some of our top players currently are. Football wages increase, as sure as death and taxes.

6.) 24 Oct 2021 08:55:51
Hi eds2
I know this mite be hard to answer but realistically how much is salah worth right now?

{Ed002's Note - I would think perhaps the club would look for something in the £70M-£90M range.}

7.) 24 Oct 2021 12:29:25
Another great point, JH.

8.) 24 Oct 2021 13:50:24
Great sensible insight as usual Ed002, thank you. You don't see England as an option? So ruling out Newcastle making him their main signing to build the team around?

{Ed002's Note - He won't be moving to Newcastle.}

9.) 24 Oct 2021 14:12:18
Excellent! Thank you!

10.) 24 Oct 2021 17:35:06
Honestly don’t see us getting £70-90m Ed002. £60m tops. Even then, it’s not remotely enough to buy a replacement. Selling is almost as bad as letting him leave on a free as we’ll end up with a poor quality replacement and lose 30 goals a season whatever happens, who out there for less than £50m would we get who can do what he’s done today? One assist, two goals. Still, we’re battering United so there’s some good news.

11.) 24 Oct 2021 21:19:35
Only realistic option if he goes that can see, is go get Dusan Vlahovic a propper centre forward and shift mane out to right wing and play jota on the left, hope we can keep up with the oil rich teams.

12.) 24 Oct 2021 21:53:15
Vlahovic wouldn’t work, slow, doesn’t press and not the most mobile forward, even then we couldn’t afford the fee as they’d want more than we can afford,

13.) 24 Oct 2021 21:55:27
He’s going nowhere. A deal will be struck. .

14.) 24 Oct 2021 22:21:48
You either sell now and buy haaland. But you will still have to pay him 400k. More sell on value but not guaranteed goals. Salah has 3 years of 20+.

15.) 25 Oct 2021 09:17:36
I can't see how people seem nearly happy for him to move on, did you not see him yesterday? We are literally the only fanbase on the planet that would even concieve the best player on the planet leaving, its as if before Klopp we were programmed ro accept mediocrity, we are brilliant with the best manager in the world. Mo Salah leaving is just "no".

16.) 25 Oct 2021 09:30:19
VVVV you really need to stop stati g how 'little' the club will get for him as if it's fact. It's is literally just your opinion. You, like everyone else on here, has no insight into the actual numbers being discussed. Has ever occurred to anyone that the club may not be able to physically afford what he's asking for? LFC is a business and has financial limits, they can't just magic up money. When we bought the current best player in the world, he was a 'Chelsea reject' who couldn't make it in the PL. Great players come and go, and LFC make them. If Salah does leave, the club will carry on.

17.) 25 Oct 2021 11:08:27
Wouldnt agree with VVVV for wat wed get 4 Salah but i see his point! we would probably get enuf 2 buy an average far inferior player! ill say it again, we are the only fanbase in the world that would contemplate a player of salahs calibre leaving.

18.) 25 Oct 2021 11:25:14
Sign the man. He’s quality and has more to give. In fact he’s never been better.

Not renewing his contract and letting him run it down would be a huge mistake.

In terms of a sale, I don’t think he will be replaceable with the fee and any top player (haaland/ mbappe etc) will want equally large wages anyway.

As a fan I firmly want him to sign and would be gutted if he left.

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20.) 25 Oct 2021 16:31:57
If Salah stays, then (my guess) he would cost around 18 Million per year (350K per week) totaling 72 Million for the 4 years. If it's decided to sell him this coming summer, my opinion is that we would have have to use the same money gotten for him to buy his replacement (let's say 70 Million - buy Chiesa 😎 ) . You can call it luck or sheer brilliance of Salah (and Klopp) to propel a 4th choice winger into the best player in the World at contract renewal time, but I'm not so sure it's going to happen again with his replacement. And the new player would probably expect around 300K per week, totaling 62 Million for the 4 years. The club could go out and spend the same money on a CF and move Mane to the right or buy an adequate winger, but the net result financially would be the same.

We have a recent history of spending 60% of our revenues on wages, so I suppose we'd have to look at how high that percentage would go up with Salah's new contract. If it's higher than 70% then we'd be approaching danger areas (and we have a stadium expansion going on for the next 2 years) . Yes, there may be discord in the dressing room, but then you have a similar gulf in wages between DeBruyne and his team mates too, and they seem to be managing it well enough.

My numbers are all just guesswork of course. I could easily be far off the mark. But just on the basis of the above, I would keep Salah and spend the extra 10 Million because he offers that much certitude that the goals will come, whereas you have no such guarantee that his replacement would be just as prolific. If the difference, financially, is higher than 10-15 Million (in total) between keeping Salah and buying his replacement, then I would let him go this coming summer. It's all about risk evaluation. In a year or two we would already have Elliott, Kaide Gordon, Musialowski, Stewart and even Glatzel, in the big picture. Perhaps one of them will really click. So it's not all doom and gloom if Salah leaves.

21.) 25 Oct 2021 20:41:18
Miserable bunch aren't you. just enjoy thrashing man utd for a couple of days before moaning about King Mo and his contract situation.

22.) 25 Oct 2021 21:02:14
What's wrong with contemplating Salah's departure? Nobody in their right mind wants him to leave, but then nobody in their right mind would keep him at any cost, either. For over a decade, Barcelona fans never contemplated Messi leaving. And their management listened to them and kept paying him and paying him and paying him. And now they are close to financially insolvent, performing miserably on the field and I don't believe they have hit rock bottom yet. It will take years to get back to the level they were at. Because of financial mismanagement.

23.) 25 Oct 2021 21:14:36
Fully respect the Eds and fellow poster opinions, but I don't get this hoo-haa about his agent offering him around. that's exactly his Agent's job - to get the best overall deal (not just monetary) for their client and that's what his Agent is striving to do. It would be a different discussion if those discussions were getting to Salah's head and affecting his performance, but its not and the Agent is fully within his/ her rights to regularly tap into the market and check the best overall scenario for his/ her client.

Why does everyone all of a sudden forget that this is a profession for Footballers too and they are trying to maximize their value and appeal. Tell me one profession where someone would not want to regularly evaluate if there is room for better opportunities all around (including monetary and other benefits/ status growth, etc. ) .

Lets enjoy Salah for all the brilliance and magical moments he provides and let's keep our fingers crossed that he and the club reach an agreement which is mutually beneficial. I am not a fan of associating a negative connotation and jumping onto the bandwagon of belittling one of the best players in LFC's history, purely because his Agent is trying to get the best deal for his/ her client.

{Ed002's Note - Agents do not typically offer players around - particularly if they are happy and successful where they are. It is hugely disruptibve for clubs.}

24.) 25 Oct 2021 21:33:09
Barca also wasted a fortune on absolute dross too aray, Coutinho, Dembele, Griezmann, et al and were paying Messi double what Salah is asking. Can anyone logically and rationally see any club out there who would even contemplate paying stupid money for a 30 year old with one year left on his contract? If we sell Salah and use any proceeds to buy a replacement, it ain’t going to be like likes of Chiesa that we sign (given that he’s on a very long contract and Juve consider him “unsellable” it would take a whole heap more than £70m, double that and you’re maybe close) as we won’t be able to afford it. It’ll be the likes of Traore and Dembele that we’ll end up looking at. Good luck winning a title or even competing with one of those two up front. I stand by my view, the best thing we can do is get Salah signed up. Any other option is borderline catastrophe.

25.) 25 Oct 2021 22:05:22
whatever we sell SAlah for, I would almost guarantee that whoever we purchase to replace him won't cost that much. I mean how much did we buy Salah for in the first place?

End of the day this will come down to perceived value from 2023 onwards. I don't think the club will pay him as some kind of reward for his current performances. and so they shouldn't. I would love to see Salah go on and dominate world football for the next 5-6 seasons, well into his mid-30s anyways. But will he? lol that is the question!

{Ed0666's Note - The thing is to offer him an incentivized contract is embarrassing the guy. The form he is in he can go and get the money he wants anywhere in the world. Sometimes you just have to pay the going rate to appease the fans, the talent and to hell with the accountant. We have a genuine world class talent here. A generational talent on par with any modern Liverpool great I.e Torres, Gerrard, Alonso Suarez. They all went to chase glory (besides gerrard who very nearly went) Salah has glory at his doorstep but why should he martyr himself financially (relatively speaking) I wouldn’t, most wouldn’t. FSG pay ridiculous sums to their baseball players (David Price, Manny Ramírez etc) it’s fine they do the same for Salah et al.

26.) 25 Oct 2021 21:30:26
Fair enough Ed002, but its a business decision from Salah's Agent. I fully get that Agents don't offer their clients around if they are happy, but he probably feels that Salah is not fully getting what he deserves and if fishing for a better opportunity. I still don't see why that is wrong and unfair if Salah is not letting it affect his devotion and application when he steps on that green turf.

As for the clubs, if the club doesn't pay blind loyalty to players, especially business-savvy owners such as FSG who are more inclined to taking business centric decisions (and that is absolutely fine to do), then I don't see why a player and their Agent should just keep chugging it along without assessing better external opportunities.

Anyways, let's agree to disagree since I see this slightly from a practical point of view than emotional, even though every single cell of my being wants me to clench my fist and emotionally blackmail Salah into staying at LFC until the end of his career (which I really hope he does) .

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure FSG are in this loop explicitly. As I have explained before, Salah has been offered around to try an match his desire. The opportunity has likely gone.}

27.) 26 Oct 2021 00:02:12
I don't disagree triple6. If there is an exceptional circumstance to do something different, then this is probably it.

having said that, it is still a gamble, and probably a big one considering the history of the game. Is it worth it? well, it ain't my money so I'm going to say hell yeah! lol but in reality it is far more tricky than that and I don't think that should be lost in all the hooplah.

{Ed0666's Note - Hooplah? Lol.. He’s the best player in the world lol. When’s the next time we’ll be able to say that about one of players again? If we don’t sign him it will be a case of ‘you don’t know what you got till it’s gone’ but we do know what we have.

28.) 26 Oct 2021 02:06:53
yup, again ed, we talking about right now. the discussion is about from the 2023/ 24 season onwards.

{Ed0666's Note - just offer the man a contract that compensates him for the player he is and stop the penny pinching. Sometimes in business you overpay and you have assets that aren’t gonna get what you paid for. We have to take the risk. What’s the alternative? Hoping that Ismael Sarr or whoever can score 30 goals a season? Hoping that Mane steps up
Productivity? That a new striker/wife forward/winger can hit the ground running? Well get at least this season and next season of his prime and if he wanes after that then we’re idiots for over relying on him and not supplementing him with other game changing players

29.) 26 Oct 2021 10:02:04
I think the perception that we got Salah on the cheap is somewhat false to a degree. The fee was an initial £36.5m with achievable bonuses up to £43m. Which in consideration of the higher of those two figures (given that we’ve probably had to pay up those bonuses! ), £43m was just outside of the top 10 transfer fees that summer so was definitely in that upper quartile (although it is still hilarious that Everton paid £45m for Gylfi Sigurdsson) . That said he’s been incredibly good value compared to the money that United spent on Lukaku, PSG spent on Neymar, Barcelona spent on Dembele and Chelsea on Drinkwater/ Morata/ Bakayoko.

All I know is this, even if we sell for £60/ 70m (and I think that’s wishful thinking as the age/ contract count against a fee higher than that) we’re only going to have £50/ 55m to replace him after fees, tax etc. at most, which leaves very little room to manoeuvre. I genuinely can’t think of one player in that price bracket who looks capable of stepping up to Salah’s level across Europe. And even then, what’s to stop Salah refusing to move if we agree a fee, like McManaman did when we’d agreed a fee with Barca.

Just accept he’s an exceptional footballer, playing to an exceptionally and consistently high level and appropriately reward him because he’s that difficult to replace.

30.) 26 Oct 2021 12:24:46
He has to be paid what he wants and we have to get Sarr on board at the end of the season.

31.) 26 Oct 2021 06:53:46
Yeah, like I said earlier, I'm all for it. lol you seem to keep glossing over this haha I am on board :p

I am also playing devil's advocate and imagining the other side of the argument which I can see as well. The alternative would be that we buy a like for like (unlikely) or that we rebuild that frontline. I can see a reality where we rebuild the frontline progressively over time.

32.) 26 Oct 2021 23:22:11
Hazard went for about £90M with massive add-ons potentially rising that.

Yes it is not exactly the same comparing Hazard a few years ago (younger) and now due to C.V. the market will have gone down a bit too, however that was with Hazard going in to the final year of his contract.

Hazard was superb before his move but Salah is clearly a phenomenal player. Maximum £60M is not realistic, I'd rather the club let him go for free than accept £60M next summer.

Hopefully he will agree a new contract but if he doesn't then I think minimum £80M.

{Ed0666's Note - are you on the Claas A’s mate? You’d rather have 0 British Pounds than have £60 million British Pounds? Please don’t run a business whatever you do.

33.) 26 Oct 2021 23:24:42
I know I'm coming in late on this but if we don't pay Mo near what he is looking for then how do we hope to sign a replacement?
Ever possible player that is "near" being good enough will think "even if I reach a pinnacle beyond Salah, Liverpool will never pay me what I'm worth"
We don't want to be that club.
We don't want to let possibly the best player to have played for us just walk away because we wouldn't pay him his worth.

34.) 27 Oct 2021 09:41:34
Hahaha Ed0666 I wish! I think £60M next summer is at least £20M short of Mo's valuation so yes I would reject it.

The ultimate goal would be to get Mo to agree a new contract and continue banging in the goals for us. His value on the pitch in terms of prize money, sales of club merchandise off the pitch etc I think that would cover a lot of the £60M figure quoted above so I would rather keep him the extra season than accept that.

You would take £60M next summer so Ed0666? Of course this question is on the basis that Mo has not signed an extension before then.

{Ed0666's Note - If he was in the final year of his contract I’d take £60 million yes mate. I think it’s pure folly not to. Hopefully they announce the extension soon I don’t want this to drag.

35.) 27 Oct 2021 13:56:32
Pure folly for me so Ed0666 haha I'm fine with that 😁

Ya we all want him to sign above all else.

I love Raphinha and think he would be a great buy for the club for example but if he was Salah's replacement then we would be down 20+ goals a season and he is one of the best realistic replacements. I think he would be a superb addition to add some more quality depth to the attacking positions but I suppose that's a bit greedy.

{Ed0666's Note - why can’t we have Salah & Raphina mate?

36.) 27 Oct 2021 16:27:37
@Ed0666 ya sorry that's what I meant in my last point that keeping Salah but adding Raphinha for better quality squad depth. I said that might be a bit greedy, realistically it's a reasonable amount to have 5 top players for those 3 positions but financially we keep hearing we have to sell to buy and we don't have players left to generate much funds now. I think Raphinha would be a class addition and it would give more formation options too where 4 of them could play together at times with either Bobby or Raphinha in more of a number 10 role behind three forwards.

{Ed0666's Note - I have a feeling Mane & Bobby leave in the summer. Just a hunch no inside knowledge or anything.

37.) 28 Oct 2021 09:20:25
For what we'd get for bobby and Sadio in the summer i think we'd b better of keeping them, its ok saying take the money but we'd be losing 2 huge players for relative pittance. i doubt enough would come in between them to buy 1 top player. we have young players that can come through then at their own pace and the likes of Minamino, Origi might be sold for a few quid.

38.) 28 Oct 2021 12:17:38
Would that be Bobby wanting to leave? He seems very popular so could cause disruption if he was sold unwillingly, Don't see why Salah can't be offered easily reachable incentives on his new contract, something like £1 mill after 10 app, 20 app, 30 app, 5 goals, 10 goals, 15 goals.

39.) 30 Oct 2021 08:11:02
They're just dotting the i's and crossing the t's.

40.) 31 Oct 2021 20:56:41
Let’s put it this way Lancaster. The teams he could go and play for would give him the salary he wants (or very close to it) AND those bonuses.

Footballers are employees like anyone else. I’d imagine if any of us were offered the opportunity of a significantly higher paid job with higher basic salary which was far more than was offered in our current job and with similar other tangible benefits and terms, in say for example, Paris, Madrid, Barcelona or Munich, none of us would stick if the best our current employer was an offer was a similar basic as currently on with increased incentives. Cash rules everything regrettably, sentiment is meaningless.

41.) 01 Nov 2021 09:37:10
The 4 clubs you have mentioned don't have much interest in Salah. If they did I might see your point. As an Ed has already pointed out that Italy MIGHT provide an option because of their tax laws and I'm not even sure too many of the "top" clubs there could even actually afford his demands. So the ball isn't entirely in Salah's court in my opinion, so some sort of wage compromise is entirely possible. Cheers.

02 May 2021 19:16:56
Ed’s do you see any big money moves happening this year with all the C.V. loses etc? Harry Kane? Mane? Mbappe? Haarland?

{Ed0666's Note - not sure mane would be classed as a big money buy

1.) 03 May 2021 07:21:09
Carraghers vile spitting incident (for which he shudda been sacked from Sky ) makes it really hard to sit and listen to him pontificating to others .
He’s full of his own sh** . Him and Neville need to put a sock in it or better still just go!

2.) 03 May 2021 10:07:06
Agree. neville and carragher are both idiots. Carragher is so full of his own self importance it's unreal. Eds1 do you find yourself feeling further and further away from these sorts of people?

{Ed001's Note - defo, they disappear up their own backside when they get in their position. Their self-importance is disturbing.}

3.) 03 May 2021 10:40:49
I find it harder and harder to stomach listening or watching these guys. Football is well and truly in a bad way. Thanks for the reply eds, I value your opinion.

{Ed001's Note - I don't listen or watch them.}

4.) 03 May 2021 13:37:15
I prefer macca, he's a tad biased but he's pretty fair and definitely not a knee jerk reactionist.

{Ed0666's Note - Macca isnt exactly interesting and offers little in the way of analysis. Don’t get me started in steve nicol. ESPN have awful pundits.

5.) 03 May 2021 14:13:47
The pundits on ESPN are just the worst especially the two Ronnie's oh sorry I meant Robbies🤭.

6.) 04 May 2021 19:17:32
I’ve gone right off Carra. He seems to just copy what Neville says without any real clue of what he’s on about. He’s the archetypal ex footballer with a very limited intellect.
Neville is just as bad. I find it very difficult to accept football analysis from a person who bombed so badly when he was asked to actually manage a team. He obviously has absolutely no clue about tactics so for him to analyse any manager in the PL is a joke.
As for the rants about the ESL they should both be held to account and at the very least reprimanded. The are inciting the fans to riot. Plain and simple. There’s no balance to anything they say. They’ve not even tried to understand why the ESL was even thought or acknowledge their own employers part in all of this.
Clowns the pair of them. Or should I say puppets?

7.) 09 May 2021 04:54:25
I don't think Neville should be forfeited an opportunity to work as a football analyst just because he had an unsuccessful managerial career. If pundits need to be as good as or better than the managers they are criticising, then there would not be many football pundits as they would all be managers instead. Someone's ability to manage an elite football team has virtually nothing to do with their ability to read and dissect a football game for a wide audience.


I also think far too much is read into Neville's and Carragher's agendas. They're just two passionate football people whom have strong opinions about what is happening to the game at the moment. They're not trying to be self important, they're just trying to be an influential voice for the ordinary people who get shafted by these owners in our game. We may not always agree with the specific ways in which Neville and Carragher use their voice, but i'd like to see the evidence that they are ill intentioned.

25 Apr 2021 09:55:42
Hi ed2 I was reading earlier that if Liverpool can resolve their finances they may make a move for Sancho? I assume this is only if salah or mane are sold and is there any info on why they may go for him?

{Ed002's Note - Jadon Sancho (RW) Manchester United messed everybody around last year and he has again been offered elsewhere to those who had previously enquired, but they are still not interested. If Manchester United want him they are going to have to agree a deal before the summer. I would not be surprised to see interest from Liverpool but they have financial issues which could impact any offer, meaning if Liverpool wish to bid for Sancho the money will need to come largely from sales. The pandemic has hit BD particularly hard as they operate in a similar manner to a number of other clubs where the budgets assume both the relied upon income (broadcast and gate receipts) and a certain amount of income from a run in European competition. With broadcast down a little (or in the case of France, gone completely) and no gate receipts they are not in a good place. They are currently fifth in the Bundesliga with improving results with the top four performing reasonably well - and in the worse case the lack of Champions League next season will be a real hammer blow to them. The value of the club has nearly halved since the pandemic started and another share issue would bring short-term income but would further devalue the club. Therefore the answer is to raise money through sales - and there are a large number of significantly valued players who will be available including Sancho. Their new coach was selected with youth and bringing players through in mind - they have had a long list of potential Sancho replacements I understand they spoke with Marco Rose about even before he was appointed.}

1.) 25 Apr 2021 15:41:47
Thanks for that Ed002. If BD are in financial difficulty, could Bellingham be available for sale?

{Ed002's Note - They have told an interested side that Bellingham is not available.}

2.) 25 Apr 2021 21:43:51
Thanks Ed002, that’s a shame, but understandable.

3.) 25 Apr 2021 22:25:42
Don't watch much German football, do you believe sancho is as good as the hype/ price tag suggests ed?

I guess their plan is move on Haaland for a huge profit and bed in that young striker Muokoko. They really are a club who bring through fantastic young talent. I believe Claudia Reynas son is making a name for himself there as well.

{Ed002's Note - The on to costs push it to a huge fee.}

4.) 26 Apr 2021 08:19:43
Sancho, prime example of the hypocrites in football, suddenly going deaf when caps are mentioned, joke.

14 Apr 2021 20:47:58
Ed’s which teams are interested in mane if he were to move is there any solid interest?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approaches to Liverpool for Mane. If Liverpool want to make him available it will be done through his agent.}

1.) 15 Apr 2021 12:58:48
Worried that he has lost that burst of pace a little, seems to be struggling with all parts of his game though.

2.) 15 Apr 2021 14:08:33
Mane and firminos cycles have come to an end at liverpool as consistent first teamers. Firminos decline has been for a couple seasons now and it’s been clear for a while we’ve needed an upgrade in that position, especially when you take into account we were about to bring in Werner in the summer. I personally think firmino should move on and it would be best for all parties, he gets a fresh start and the club tries to upgrade with hopefully a decent fee from his sale. At most he should only be a squad player, if he is to stay, but somehow I see us persisting with him in the starting 11, much to our detriment. Mane is following the same trend, we see glimpses of the old mane but he’s lost his edge, we see more of the poor sides of mane that we’ve come to see in recent years rather than the good sides. I’m still willing to give him time, but I just think his fate is the same as firminos at the moment. Both need fresh starts and we need decent fees from their sales, problem is salah could force his way out and that leaves us in a whole heap of problems, if salah wasn’t an issue and was guaranteed to stay at the club then I would let mane and firmino go and try bring in better performing players offensively in a heart beat.

3.) 15 Apr 2021 17:13:43
Kman, Sadio will be grateful to you I'm sure.

17 Jan 2021 14:48:12
I’ve a very bad feeling for today’s game I feel like it’s going to be like a Crystal Palace perfomance were we click and Man U get hammered 5 or 6 nil I feel very bad at watching Man U being humiliated.

{Ed025's Note - thats a bit premature andy..

1.) 17 Jan 2021 15:04:39
Come on ed25 join me in my world I feel a beating of the highest order today coming! Lol.

{Ed025's Note - it could well happen andy, but you know how them refs are so biased towards united mate.. :)

2.) 17 Jan 2021 15:24:47
That’s what his missus said last night Ed 25.

{Ed025's Note - i have given up on all that lark pegleg, give me a bacon butty now anyday mate.. :)

3.) 17 Jan 2021 16:26:23
I don’t by the bias unless we have 7 goals ruled offside by a pubic hair and Man U get 7 pens! Come in boys.

4.) 17 Jan 2021 19:15:58
Got old very quickly that post ha ha ha.

5.) 17 Jan 2021 19:47:45
That post didn’t age well, not sure what gave you the impression of a Liverpool battering. Have you not seen us in our last 3 games, we’re atrocious in front of goal.

Andyjh04's banter posts with other poster's replies to Andyjh04's banter posts

21 Oct 2022 11:56:21
Can we put to rest now that Stevie G will take over from one of the GOAT managers in a few years now please?

No defending Stevie the manager, amazing player, terrible manager.

1.) 21 Oct 2022 12:27:11
I said as soon as he went to Villa. If Tyrone Mings out lasts Gerrard at Villa, I want nothing to do with him in a Managerial role at Liverpool.
Worst CB in the premier league and stripping him of Captain isn’t enough. Should’ve got rid in that Window, he couldn’t see the problem, therefore my mind was made up before he Flopped anyway.

2.) 21 Oct 2022 14:46:56
Don’t even want to think about Klopp leaving us .
But when the time does eventually come, surely the hierarchy at Liverpool wouldn't even consider Gerrard as Manager. It doesn’t bare thinking about tbh.

3.) 21 Oct 2022 15:03:21
We will never know? but did his decision to take off Coutinho
after he had just scored to give Aston Villa a two nil lead over man city with 20 minutes remaining cost us the prem on the last game of the season, on the basis of "if it ain't broke, don't try and fix it"! that terrible substitution stinks of ineptitude and inexperience.

4.) 21 Oct 2022 17:15:53
In fairness, he bought Carlos and Kamara to be guaranteed starters and strengthen big weak spots and both have had major injuries at the start of the season and his squad couldn't cover for their loss hence why Hause and Mings have played so much.

And he achieved something with Rangers noone else could achieve for a very long time.

Its difficult being such a high profile name early in your management career im sure, so let's not completely write off the guy in his first few years of 1st team management!

Would probably benefit from some time as an Assistant or with the Unders to really work on his craft with less pressure. let's see what happens.

The guy was an icon for Liverpool so he's earned some credit from me and I'll keep on wishing him the best!

5.) 21 Oct 2022 17:17:47
Careful 007, you'll be accused of hatred and whining.

6.) 21 Oct 2022 17:20:40
But if he goes onto become one of the best managers in Europe you’d take him back in a heartbeat. The man has tried his hand at it you should all be wanting him to successful because without a shadow of a doubt he would put us first if we needed him. Shameful some of the comments.

{Ed025's Note - if he goes on to be one of the best managers in Europe… I will show my arse in John colliers window John. He hasn’t got a scooby mate..

7.) 21 Oct 2022 17:33:34
The ironic thing is people suggest Linders as a possible manager when Klopp leaves.

8.) 21 Oct 2022 18:11:59
Blimey one of his first jobs and at PL level. Of course you lot all criticising him were perfect and knew everything in your first jobs didn’t you!

As you all no doubt did, he will learn from this and improve. His career is not over quite yet!

9.) 21 Oct 2022 18:18:28
JK in his pre match conference has just said he had a brief conversation with SG this morning and said "we all have knocks in life it's how you respond to them that counts".

JK also stated since he retired from playing football he notes SG has not had a proper rest, so must have advised SG to take time out for a bit, similar to what JK did when he left Dortmund i suppose.

Ibou and Keita will resume full training on Monday, also praised Curtis Jones saying he was an exceptional player and exceptional talent and can play different positions in different formations and glad to have him back.

He also confirmed that he has played 4-4-2 in the last two premier games because of stability and closing gaps that were left in previous games, and also when you play the same specific system for so many years which we have done, players lose "desire for the detail" he also said "little things change a lot", so had to change a big thing (formation) to accommodate this giving players more responsibility than the previous system. He also said he does what's best for us and worse for the opponent when making tactical decisions.

He never mentioned Nunez injury concerns (if there are any? ) . LFC have a zero in one of our premier league results columns i fully hope that is replaced with a number one tomorrow (our first premier league away win this season) .

10.) 21 Oct 2022 21:55:45
It’s coming from Ed01 @Irish. And you know what happens when he likes someone, the whole page like him ???. Linders is worse than Steve Bruce to me.

{Ed001's Note - are you always going to lie about me? I don't want Linders near the job you troll. Why are you always so damn ignorant Harry? You do this constantly, make up complete bull in your head and spout it all over these pages ad nauseum. Just give us all some peace and troll somewhere else.}

11.) 22 Oct 2022 01:08:12
May I ask you one thing Ed01? is 6times Harry as well?

{Ed001's Note - I doubt it as Harry changes his tune with every other post, whereas 6times stuck to his guns constantly.}

12.) 22 Oct 2022 04:35:16
6Times is formerly Frankly Mr Shankly and ViktorVaughanVaudevilleVillain.

13.) 21 Oct 2022 23:38:21
Ed25 stevie probably won’t become one of best managers mate but some of the rubbish getting said on here I had to say something. He tried and failed in the eyes of some. ( not the rangers fans) Site of your arse tho I be happy if he didn’t make top top spot.

{Ed025's Note - I just don’t think he has what it takes John. You need personality and charisma to deal with the prima- donnas in the game these days as well as good social skills and that’s not his bag mate. By the way my butt is legendary in woolton.. ?

14.) 22 Oct 2022 08:53:58
You have had some crush on Linders in the past Ed01 ??. I have repeatedly said I am not “Harry back”. Why are you getting offended mate?

{Ed001's Note - don't talk bollox. Why keep lying? Just give it a rest or better still get out from under your bridge and give us all a rest. You can't even be honest and admit you are Harry, which you clearly are.}

15.) 22 Oct 2022 09:29:10
It's so obvious. There's questionable stuff posted on here from time to time, but your nonsense is at a whole different level. I've been reading it for 12+ years. The style is the same. The content is the same. And his name is spelt Ljinders.

16.) 21 Oct 2022 23:18:56
I'm enjoying your serious posts 007.

Also the lack of respect and gloating over SG having a hiccup in his managerial career is disgusting.

17.) 22 Oct 2022 10:59:39
At least 6 Times is having a well deserved break ? Harry being Linders book makes sense.

18.) 22 Oct 2022 18:55:51
It's Lijnders, actually, ArAy.
That's not a double barrelled surname, btw ?.

17 Oct 2022 13:18:04
Klopp still out? Salah still gone down hill since he signed his contract? Milner passed it? Team is needing torn up and rebuilt. mmmm amazing what a few good results does.

1.) 17 Oct 2022 14:06:12
From the 2 games we’ve played City this season it’s clearly visible we can get ourselves up for those type of games still and match anyone in world football.

The next step now will be to get ourselves up for West Ham and Forest to come. Yesterdays result took us to 8th in the table.

Plenty more football to be played this season and if we show up like we did yesterday and have predominantly done under Klopp it will be another great season.

2.) 17 Oct 2022 14:27:19
Andy chill, I don’t know anyone who said Klopp out lol
Salah has been terrible by his standards since the new contract.
Milner playing in CM has looked past it. Great performance yesterday and very disciplined but one result doesn’t change the issues we need to address nor does it guarantee a champs league spot. Easy for the team to get motivated for city when anfield is rocking. We need to keep the level of that performance and get back to winning consistently.

3.) 17 Oct 2022 15:33:00
VVD also looked a different player yesterday. Needs to play like that every game.

4.) 17 Oct 2022 16:42:45
JK, maybe it's my wishful thinking but I do think that we have turned the corner. Simply because 3 of our "theoretically ideal" players (TAA, Henderson and Diaz) did not start and had virtually no influence on the game. And yet we managed to win. Could be and should be an eye opener. We can win without TAA's crosses. We can win without Diaz's dogged determination. And we can beat one of the top European teams without Henderson playing. Where or how high this will lead us, is yet to be seen.

5.) 17 Oct 2022 16:48:15
No LFC fan wants Klopp out. It's only those in the media and rival fans trying to stir things up. Pretty sure no one in the club ever brought it up. That said, let's pup the breaks. Even Klopp did not do his regular fist pumps into the Kop after the game. Even he knows this is just a step. Huge step BUT a step none the less. This win will not mean much if we do NOT confirm vs WH. Let's hope so.

6.) 17 Oct 2022 17:33:05
I only recall one post out of 1000’s saying Klopp out. It’s only one game and we are still 6 points off top 4 and even behind Man U. Hopefully we will finally get going now. We have to win all the PL league games before the World Cup.

7.) 17 Oct 2022 18:27:53
To be fair I've questioned if klopp should leave. A few good results don't make a season.
I think no top four and he goes similar to Rafa.

8.) 17 Oct 2022 19:30:27
Markp08, clearly you don't visit the live chat during games. ?

Walter, I think these owners will give Klopp far more slack, than those cowboys did to Benitez. And I think much will depend on what he proposes as a way forward (if he fails to get top 4).

9.) 17 Oct 2022 19:57:55
Josh I have to pull you up there. Salah has been off it since he returned from AFCON. The new contract had nothing to do with it and to suggest it did is to question his character and commitment which is bang out of order in my view. The lad is a Liverpool legend and deserves to be treated as such.
None of us can possibly imagine the pressure that guy is under in his national team he’s far and away the best player they have ever produced and so much is expected of him. Losing in the final obviously crushed him and he took loads of stick afterwards like it was all his fault.
We should be supporting the guy not accusing him of signing a contract and downing tools.

10.) 17 Oct 2022 19:58:23
Glad your not in charge neggie.

11.) 17 Oct 2022 20:22:43
Nunez is now coming on leaps and bounds and even more to come hopefully, however was he needed as it looks like Salah is our new centre forward for the big games this season.

The aspect i have liked so far these last few game is we are very flexible in our formations now and not stereotyped like 4-3-3 for donkey years, we should park the bus more often and win more 1- nils instead of falling for the suckers punch, let's have a mentality now of you come and have a go at us for a change, and you can be the suckers instead of us!

12.) 17 Oct 2022 20:57:40
Aray - I don't think any of the proper posters even on the live chat really believe - Klopp out. There are a few trolls but in the main even in the live chat people are behind him and the team.

13.) 17 Oct 2022 22:01:46
You'd have to be a bona fide idiot to want Klopp out. The man has the highest winning percentage of any Liverpool manager (61%) since the 1900's. Yes, better than Dalglish, Paisley and Shankly.

14.) 18 Oct 2022 06:49:05
solid performance from a mid-table team putting in a shift against one of the top teams and getting a result.
not true?
lol, obviously tongue in cheek, but we need to see the team back up this performance against the majority of the league who won't have over 60% of the ball, starting with west ham in a couple days.

15.) 18 Oct 2022 06:53:27
Nunez is a bit of a maniac at the minute. Head down and all he sees is the white of the posts. A little bit of composure and he will be fine.

16.) 18 Oct 2022 07:25:12
Klopp out?

I didn’t even know he was injured ?.

17.) 18 Oct 2022 07:42:57
Anyone thinking FSG will ditch Klopp if the team don't finish in the top 4 this season has a head full of rocks.

05 Oct 2022 14:35:12
I can't believe the amount of LFC "Fans" who are so influenced by the media and the critics.

Slamming Trent at every occasion as its what the media are pushing to sell stories.

He is the BEST RB in the WORLD and will continue to be. Has he had a slow start? Yes, but Klopp spelt it out perfectly that the spaces in behind are not caused by him, a man with more tactial knowledge then most of us will ever have, yet we all want to listen to the "pundits" who don't have a clue as they never played RB in their lives.

Southgate is a tool and anyone taking notice of him not picking Trent is as big an idiot as the man himself.

To many critics out there who would never make it to the level Trent has yet feel they can crique him for having a slower than normal start.

Hes not lost his head or got it up his backside he's just literally had a slow start and will come good once the whole team are performing better again.

ED2 stated it best, its an indifferent start nothing more nothing less, if we had started in blistering form but Trent was having a slow start would anyone complain? Of course they wouldn't but everyone is a critic these days.

{Ed025's Note - I don’t think it’s his form that people are complaining about Andy it’s his application and attitude mate. Even those with rosé tinted glasses like yourself can see that. Strolling around and not tracking back does not sit well with supporters so you can’t really blame them for showing concern..

1.) 05 Oct 2022 15:17:22
I agree with ed25's sentiments, although slightly less harsh due to those red tinted specs. I don't doubt that the spaces behind him need to be marshalled better by others in the team, but you can see that Matip especially and to an extend Fabinho have been left with too much to cover while we watch Trent jog back slowly to where he should be.

He's a brilliant player, but can only help the team if he busts his gut to help the players who are covering him.

{Ed025's Note - spot on mate..

2.) 05 Oct 2022 15:20:43
Ed25, I try not to level such personal attacks on players cos I don't have any info to back it up and I don't know them personally. I used to think Daniel Sturridge was like that as well cos his body language on the pitch looked like he didn't care or had an attitude issue UNTIL Ed01 killed that narrative by extolling his virtues of being a very nice guy and how he was helping the youngsters within the squad as a mentor. So let's desist from such narratives, please.

That said, Trent is having a sticky patch and not playing as well as we all know he can even defensively and concern is more than warranted. IMO, the kid is absolutely shattered physically and mentally and needs help from everyone to help him get back to the great player he has been thus far in his career. That goes for EVERY player in the squad, mind you.

Trent is asked to play literally two positions offensively and defensively so of course in a team where nobody is playing well overall, it's physically tough to handle at times hence, it looks like he is not trying or like he is just strolling around. Oh n btw, the others aren't tracking back either. Are they strolling around the pitch too or is it one rule for them and another for Trent? Now can he do better? Yes. He has and will again. Either way, that's my opinion on the matter.

{Ed025's Note - I’m glad you brought up the issue of Sturridge oli…another lazy sod who tried when he wanted great fella or not. It’s about giving your all for the betterment of the team mate. I’m not just singling out trent though as viril and fab have been very sloppy as well. For me Trent is a defender first and foremost and should concentrate on that part of his game. I actually like the kid but we all know he can do better..

3.) 05 Oct 2022 15:28:12
Rosé tinted glasses, Ed0025?
Is that what you drink down at 'the people's club'? Well, since the nineties when you became 'the people's club? ?.

{Ed025's Note - I drink anything rigsby. Everton drove me to drink mate…and I have never really thanked them .. ?

4.) 05 Oct 2022 15:31:02
Ed025, genuine question. Are you basing your view on his application and attitude on having watched complete matches that he has played in, or is it based on highlights/ media coverage?

I haven't watched a whole match this season, so my views on Trent are very biased by the media coverage, MoTD and views expressed here.

{Ed025's Note - I watch every Liverpool game zed. Not because I’m a fan but because I go out for every game as a lot of my mates are reds. But I don’t like to admit it because I don’t want to be classed with the unwashed and the penniless mate.. ?

5.) 05 Oct 2022 18:02:27
Seems like you’re reducing it down to a false dichotomy to protect Trent. Both can be true. The tactics have been dreadful all season, but it’s clear to see that Trents individual application has been even worse. He has been a huge part of our struggles going forwards and backwards, the most significant part I would argue.

Just because you love him as a player doesn’t mean he escapes criticism. It doesn’t have to be 100% one way or the other.

{Ed025's Note - fair point AW mate..

6.) 05 Oct 2022 18:23:18
Oli you called Matip crsp the other day! ! Is that not a personal attack? A bit hypocritical of yourself.

7.) 05 Oct 2022 18:47:47
Good to know Ed025. Does that mean you stink but have a couple of bob?

{Ed025's Note - I am quite well off zed but my personal hygiene has been brought into question in the past. I usually wake up with breath like a rugby player’s jock strap and wearing most of the previous nights kebab. But I scrub up well mate.. ?

8.) 05 Oct 2022 19:00:00
Irish Rover, ?.

9.) 05 Oct 2022 19:09:10
Ed025 is right re TAA. The midfield is not pressing as a unit and teams can walk through us. We need to recycle and refresh the midfield rather desperately. It is obviously affecting Matip and Van Dijk having players running at them more often. I totally criticise Klopp and the owners for not sorting this issue out which has been obvious for a while.

10.) 05 Oct 2022 20:24:25
If a person said “I don’t know x personally at all but it seems that he has a poor attitude, from observing him on the telly’ that would be fair enough. To say x’s attitude is poor / bad etc says more about the person making the statement really.

11.) 05 Oct 2022 20:45:05
The criticism of Trent on this site has never blamed him for being too far forward and getting caught. He has been personally responsible for at least 4 goals conceded this season when he was in a set defensive position. And on at least a couple of occasions it was down to being down right fecking lazy. He deserved the criticism he got and yesterday Trent also earned the praise he got.

12.) 05 Oct 2022 21:55:15
Hello Ed025, Good news on the horizon for EFC, an american venture capital group belonging to George Soros are interested in Everton, he has more money than the present man city owners, good times if it comes off?

{Ed025's Note - having the power to buy big is not always the answer though bond. I’m not a fan of prima-Donna players who come just for the money and don’t actually get the club or it’s supporters mate. Give me a stable team of grafters with a bit of flair who play for the shirt and give 100% every game. FFP means we won’t be able to just buy top notch players and I’m happy about that so I don’t really know how I will feel about the new owners if it does come off..

13.) 05 Oct 2022 22:51:36
You will change your tune Ed if you qualify for the CL. You don’t really want to be stuck mid table forever mate.

{Ed025's Note - I do want us to progress mark but I want it done in the right way. We are “the people’s club” for a reason and that means having scruples and being in touch with the real world. I personally would prefer us to follow the Brighton model rather than the city one mate but I’m not that naive to think all our supporters would think the same..

14.) 06 Oct 2022 06:37:52
George Soros has a net worth of circa £8 billion having gave away 60% of his money.

{Ed025's Note - now I like the sound of that Irish mate..

15.) 06 Oct 2022 09:07:42
I don't feel well positioned to comment on whether it's attitude or application. I acknowledge that there have been times and opposition goals this season where it has appeared that Trent wasn't exactly concentrating or busting a gut but who knows whether it's as simple as saying it's attitude.

But I do feel (and there was a debate in the forum on this subject last year that divided opinions) that we can't simply assert that Trent is the best right back in the world. He's the best player to play in that position in our team and our system - and this is what Klopp as alluded to, but I don't you can just make a generic statement that he is the best right back in the world. Put him into a more defensively oriented team, or a team that is struggling and plays most of the time backs-to-the-wall rather than dominating possession and territory, and I think you could find plenty of right backs who you would rather have in your team whose greatest strength is their defensive positional sense, reading of the game, timing of tackles, going with their man, etc. On that basis I can understand why Southgate isn't convinced. We'd probably all like a more progressive England manager but for as long as we have a manager (and there's plenty of them in the game) with a defence first mindset, then Trent probably isn't going to play for England very often.

Perhaps the reason that Southgate won't pick Trent, and the same reason why he has appeared to struggle this season, is because releasing the best of Trent requires a rock-solid defensive back bone and an effective right sided midfield. When van Dijk, Fabinho and Henderson were on top of their game and we spent most of the match in the opposition half with the ball in our possession, Trent was often unplayable as a right back. With our central defence and midfield wobbling this season (and central defence and defensive midfield aren't exactly strong points for England), surely this is a factor in not seeing the best of Trent.

16.) 06 Oct 2022 09:07:46
IR, you're still on that one? Give it up, man. I attacked and criticized his play and performance, not his attitude nor him as a person which is what a lot of people do based on their own projections. You would be wise to know the actual difference btw the two BUT I can tell that context is not your strong point.

17.) 06 Oct 2022 09:13:20
West Derby Wanderer and that is my point. If you openly admitted
that you don't know someone personally then why even try to attack their attitude, their mental make up or say things like, "things have gone to his head" and all that mess? That's the part that infuriates me.

You can criticize someone's performances cos that is what you can see BUT to go from there and start talking about someone and leveling attacks against them personally based JUST on their performances on the pitch, is what I find disgusting. If you admit that you don't know someone personally then, criticize the player's play and END it there.

18.) 06 Oct 2022 09:53:04
ED25, I take your point. Your assertions of Sturridge must be warranted since you know him personally and have observed his lazy acts up close and personal, I reckon.
Now on to you saying Trent is a defender first. Seriously, you need to stop thinking this way cos that is where you and the other "experts" on TV either get it wrong cos you don't know better or that you do know better and don't care.

If Klopp wanted a RB who focused on defending first then, Trent would NOT be playing RB cos he is a no. 10, NOT a natural defender with natural defensive instincts. See how easy that was to figure out? Klopp created the no. 10 role Trent is there to play BUT to play it from deep in the RB spot.

Seriously, You think Klopp did not know Trent would be caught out and at times would not be defensively sound at times as he lacks natural defensive instincts? Of course BUT he weighed the pros and cons and took the chance on this kid and Boy, has it paid off. And even at that, Trent is a good defender for a guy who does not possess natural defensive instincts, IMO. Those he is compared to ARE natural defenders and STILL get cooked so the comparison on the substance, is stupid and unbalanced to begin with, IMO.

{Ed025's Note - if he knows he can’t defend oli then why play him at right back? Or do you think playing without a right back is a good idea? I understand that you can’t see anything wrong with any Liverpool player mate but come on.. do you not think if he was played on the right of midfield and played a right back who could actually defend would be a better option? Just a thought..

19.) 06 Oct 2022 13:40:53
Oli, do you know Trent well enough to know " he is absolutely shattered physically and mentally"

20.) 06 Oct 2022 14:20:02
The problem has been that Trent’s shortcomings have been horrible exposed because of lack of cover and support in midfield. I don’t think it’s for want if effort on his part. Ultimately he’s not perfect, but he’s still a very very good player who is playing in a side that is playing badly overall.

21.) 06 Oct 2022 14:55:55
Trent is a superb player, utterly gifted. But im starting to think he's being played in the wrong position. If Ramsey plays RB, where else could we put TAA? Right mid maybe?

22.) 06 Oct 2022 15:58:52
Well at this moment we only play 3 in midfield so it could only be right midfield Gini. If we played a 4 man midfield then he could play in the middle. I couldn't see him playing Fabinho's role tho. Although he should have some of a defensive mindset I guess.

23.) 06 Oct 2022 16:20:10
As a package, Trent is the best right back in the world. He, like the rest of the LFC players, are struggling at the moment.

If you've forgotten how good Trent is as a defender, watch his performance against an in-form Phil Foden in the semi at Wembley. He was also very good against an in-form Vinicius Junior in the CL final (no, that goal was not his fault) .

The whole setup is currently stinking and nobody looks good in it, including Trent.

Hopefully Klopp and staff figure that out sooner rather than later.

24.) 06 Oct 2022 20:07:06
25 - the over-criticism didn't start with attitude and application. if it was then the over-whelming narrative would have been something other than "he's can't defend for sh*t". but whatever people's views are as to the 'why', I just think it's been over the top and in some cases simply mean.

{Ed025's Note - possibly a bit unfair at times faith but we are all looking for a reason as to why he has been so poor mate. We all know how talented he is but his performances lately have not been good enough and I’m sure you would agree with that..

25.) 06 Oct 2022 21:49:24
Ed25 again, you are getting it wrong and not for the umpteenth time. You asked that if Klopp did know he could not play RB then, why did he play him there. I literally told you why BUT you completely ignored it. Of course hé new that BUT Trent’s upside trumps his frailties defensively so he went with that. Is that hard to understand?

“Or do you think playing w/ o a RB is a good idea? ” What on earth does that even mean? Seriously, did you even read my comment at all? Of course it was a good idea judging by the results and trophies won.

Now to your last question, i literally just answered it in my comment. If Klopp wanted a defensively sound RB, he would have gotten one. He had a vision of how to get this creative genius of a footballer into the team so he created a role for him at RB and a system to cover for his frailties. That’s was HIS choice and over the past 5 years, it has worked, end of story.

All in all, this is not rocket science. The kid is playing poorly in a team that is playing poorly. That’s it. The OTT analysis and hyperbolic criticism is ridiculous, IMO.

{Ed025's Note - or you could say Liverpool have been found out oli. Or that the tactical genius has flaws? Stop trying to make excuses for Trent mate and have a day off from your man crush..

26.) 07 Oct 2022 08:40:03
So Klopp doesn't want a defensively sound right back and TAA is a number ten?
I'd question your mental state, Oli, but I don't know you ?.

27.) 07 Oct 2022 17:52:18
Oli, criticising a player's application and physical effort on the pitch are valid forms of analysis based on those games, so saying Trent or Sturridge are 'lazy' during that particular game are no different o saying Matip is crap. Unless Ed knows anyone personally, his view is also an opinion based on information witnessed or received, the same as anyone's and even if he does know Sturridge personally, it is still an opinion.

The whole point of this site is to have discussions based around LFC as fans, if everybody agreed it would be boring and pointless. Ed025, whilst sometimes having a strange view of things, certianly incites debate and 'banter' which is why we are all here in the first place!

{Ed025's Note - as you say stuie it’s all about opinions. Everyone is entitled to their views and if people don’t agree with them then that’s ok. So long as it’s not insulting or offensive anything goes in my book mate..

05 May 2022 14:26:10
Im not shocked by Man City last night, there is a few differences why we find ourselves in the position we do where as City are now out.

Man City don't have a real captain, where as LFC have at least 3-4 but Henderson is a country mile more a captain than anyone at City.

Man City rely to much on Pep telling them how to play, they don't use initiative on how to play when things go wrong. LFC players get a game plan but are allowed to use their initiative to actually play when things are not going well. They problem solve as a team.

LFC play as a team, we don't sit and blame each other for a poor pass or a missed shot, we win together we lose together where as City players last night where sittting throwing arms up in the air and berating each other at a missed pass etc last night.

Poor recruitment, how anyone could think Grealish would replace the players City have lost recently is deluded, in fact il sign for city for 100 mill as im as good as Silva or Aguero.

For me the only reason City remain a point above us this season is that teams won't attack them. They basically role over and let them tickle their bellies. But if we miss out on the league this season if we add a midfielder and keep salah the league is ours next season. Halland doesn't change that for city!

1.) 05 May 2022 14:57:13
This City side is not as good as previous years (no Kompany, Silva, Aguero) and have a few extra points on the board thanks to the series of awful refereeing decisions over the Christmas period at Arsenal, Everton and vs Wolves at home.

Presumably there will a massive transfer window coming up for them in midfield and forward positions. Now that they have the biggest commercial income in world football (ahem ahem) I am sure they will spend a serious chunk this summer.

However, the shadow of Klopp and his Red Army looming over City just grew a little bigger last night. Keep going!

2.) 05 May 2022 14:54:42
Andy we get it you don’t like city 😂😂.

3.) 05 May 2022 15:17:46
I can't agree, Andyjh04.
They should have been in the CL Final with us except they didn't bury their chances. They dominated RM over two legs but the occasion and lapses of concentration allowed Madrid back in the game. They should have scored 7 or 8 in the first leg and held on to their lead in the second leg. Madrid had two shots on target in 90 minutes last night and buried them both.
Pep should have closed the game out with defensive tactics once they were 2 goals ahead (similar to Klopp in the first leg vs Villareal) and their forwards should have justified their wages by sticking it in the net. City had the final on a silver platter but got flustered in the last two minutes. They can only blame themselves.

4.) 05 May 2022 15:27:34
Ed001's told us for years that Pep's weakness is that he drills his players to basically be robots. And it was once again demonstrated last night.

I think it is a little simplistic to say that they're only ahead cos teams are afraid of them, though. The way Pep has them playing is very effective most of the time, and the quality of their players is among the best in the world. Most PL teams would be well beaten if they tried to play attacking football against them, as they just haven't got the outright quality to hurt them. Whereas Madrid did. We're the only team to get near them in the last few years in the league, and we are a very good team with arguably the best manager in Europe. You don't get that just from other teams being intimidated by you. We shouldn't understate how good we've needed to be to live with them.

Where they come undone is when they play another side with quality approaching theirs, on a big occasion who want it more.

{Ed001's Note - you forgot about Pep's other major weakness - he overthinks things and tinkers too much trying to be clever.}

5.) 05 May 2022 15:32:43
OP and Pelican, I fully agree with what you guys have said. IMO, City think cos they deserve CL, everyone is just going to roll over and just give it to them. The minerals it takes to do what RM and LFC have done in Europe (esp. in the CL) over the decades, is stuff you cannot coach and you cannot buy.

This is a team that despite all it's money spent (2.3bn I have read somewhere) that could not beat LFC in near 20 years at Anfield and only won a game where there were NO fans on the pitch during the CV crisis. That is what it took for them to get their first win at Anfield. Let that sink in.

To think that said team who couldn't beat an LFC team at times on it's knees, will be able to handle the immense pressure going against teams like RM and LFC in a pressure cooker moment in a CL semi final just cos they aid all that money is why they keep failing. They have NO pedigree, heritage, guts, no leaders in their team nor at their club. Just arrogance, neediness and petulant crybaby behavior of which their manager is the worst of the lot on that last point. But it's okay. They'll be back next season, spend another 150m and it's all going to be good again, lol.

6.) 05 May 2022 15:39:52
City have won the league 3 of the last 4 seasons (which could still be 4 in the last 5) and have won numerous domestic trophies (these were Mickey Mouse cups to us up until this season 😜) so I don’t think it’s down to a captain as in this day and age every club has leaders all over the pitch.

Pep seems to have brain failures when it comes to the CL and his formations, starting line ups and substitutions have caught City out on more than one occasion.

City have failed to win the CL with leaders like Kompany and Silva there in the past.

Prime example is we say how important a captain is over the players well why didn’t we beat Real all those years ago in the final and people will point to our best player Salah going off but we still had our brilliant captain on the pitch.

7.) 05 May 2022 15:58:49
Man city are a different team when KDB is not on the pitch. It shows over and over again. He is the difference maker, leader, makes everything tick.

8.) 05 May 2022 16:06:06
Sorry pressed send too early.

Andy I agree on all your other points though mate.

Also the biggest difference between us and City is they are currently challenging for 1 trophy and we are challenging for 4.

There’s every chance that we will finish this season having had a better season than City (smaller chance the shoe might be on the other foot also) .

9.) 05 May 2022 16:15:07
JK, Jupp Heynkes got sacked by RM in the 97/ 98 season after WINNING the CL and this was before the Galacticos era. Why? cos as defending La Liga champs, they were dreadful and far off the pace with Barcelona who won it with ease. You think Pep would have survived coaching a club like that having failed so much back then? Trust me, he wouldn't have. At City, he is allowed to screw up this much and continue to get backed cos well, it's City. They need him more than he needs them so he will NEVER get questioned hence, they continue to reward endless failures at the biggest stage. His titles in the PL? Great achievement, as expected.

10.) 05 May 2022 16:22:05
Oli I don’t really understand your point mate. That’s not me being critical of you I just don’t get where 1 manager from 25 years ago comes into it.

11.) 05 May 2022 16:44:09
You have a fair point there Oli. So what do they do? Sack Pep and bring back the great Manchini or Pelligreni lol 😂😂. Look at Bayern and Barca. Serial bottlers.

12.) 05 May 2022 16:44:17
JK23, it was in response to your point of Pep winning leagues and domestic Cups, something inferior coaches like Pellegrini and Mancini were doing before he arrived. That is not what he was signed up to do. Don't take my word for it. Both Txiki Beguiristan and Fran Serrano said so when he got hired. So he is being over-praised for doing what was expected of him, and under-criticized for FAILING at what he was brought in to do for a decade now hence, my comparison. As I said, his titles and Cups are expected.

In essence, what Im saying is that many parts of Pep's record esp. in the CL are under-reported/ scrutinized by media and not considered when talking about his overall body of work. Hence, I simply compared an era where coaches got binned for actually winning the very thing this guy is failing miserably at right now. Not saying he should be sacked. Just saying he should be scrutinized a lot more for his relentless failures cos the pundits couldn't keep Klopp's lost finals out of their mouths for literally years before he broke his duck with LFC.

13.) 05 May 2022 16:49:52
I think it’s natural for there to be this big debate about why City can’t win the Champions League or why Guardiola hasn’t won it at either Bayern or City, but I’m not convinced that there’s anything more to this than it being a difficult competition to win. Cup football isn’t easy to win because, once you get to the knock out stages, you only need to have one night where you don’t get it quite right, one match where something goes against you, or one freak 90 second spell like last night and you can be out on your ear. City are geared to winning league competitions, being the best over a sustained period. They actually seem to lose more individual matches than we do, and lose against more surprising opponents, but they then put together these very long runs of wins. They don't draw many. In the league, you can do that and come out on top but in an elite cup competition, one defeat is curtains.

I know you can argue that some teams (e. g. Real and Liverpool) seem to thrive in the European Cup and it’s hard to explain that whilst also arguing that City don’t have a problem with the competition, but look at other clubs. Utd under Ferguson only won the European Cup twice in over two decades of trying. If City win it next season or the season after, they would still have a better win rate under Guardiola than Utd under Ferguson. Barcelona – it’s now seven seasons since they last won it. Arsenal never won it despite being in the competition year after year under Wenger and having, in peak Wenger years, a brilliant team full of world class players. It took Chelsea something like nine years to win it after Abramovich arrived. Bayern have only managed two in the last 20 years.

It’s just a difficult competition to win. I think City will win it sooner or later, maybe even next year (hopefully not in 2024 at Wembley) . In the meantime I will enjoy the fact that their filthy money hasn’t yet been able to buy the one thing they want more than anything else, but I think they will do it sooner or later.

14.) 05 May 2022 17:02:23
Oli get you now 👌🏻

Will be interesting to see or hear what the owners opinion of it is. If it’s just the CL they are after then he’s failed so maybe they might pull the trigger.

15.) 05 May 2022 17:19:27
Thanks gents and your right I hate city for all
They are. Love seeing LFC lead by klopp achieving what money can’t just buy.

16.) 05 May 2022 17:20:38
RR, I fully agree with you, bro. The CL trophy is the greatest club football comp. on the planet hence, it is the most difficult to win due to the very nature of Cup football itself. Tbf, Pep's galaxy brain farts don't help either. That said, I am only calling out the hypocrisy of people esp in the media who hide Pep's decade long failures in this comp. who don't want to talk about it by never holding him to acct. whereas a guy like Klopp would have been forced out of LFC cos the scrutiny would have been over the top, IMO.

I mean even now, I see a lot of the media saying City dominated both games vs Madrid and blaming this or that reason instead of where the issues actually lie. Did they really dominate both games, tho? Cos if you conceded 3 goals at home in a CL semi final tie in both legs then IMO, you did not dominate the game and you deserve to lose. If you play that open vs a very effective team in both boxes (esp. in the oppo. box) then, you get what you deserve.

Also, Tim Sherwood was blaming the players for not taking control enuff. Sorry, that's a cop out. If Pep cannot get his guys prepared enuff to see out a game like that then, that's HIS fault. As for whether Pep will win it sooner than later with City, I don't know. Cos IMO, the longer it takes for them, the harder it's going to be, IMO. Just my opinion.

17.) 05 May 2022 17:37:51
RR great post. My sentiments exactly.

18.) 05 May 2022 22:10:36
City lost because they thought they had it won. Pep’s substitutions and a mental ‘clocking off’.

From the perspective of Pep’s management capabilities I believe that Ed01 is spot on with his view that Pep overthinks things. Most of the time it doesn’t matter because City have the players to beat 90+% of teams 90+% of the time so the subtle stuff that Pep is aiming for is mostly irrelevant. If his tinkering does fail in generally matters when it is vey important - like the lat quarter of an hour in the 2nd leg of a CL semi-final for instance.

From the perspective of the owners’ desire to win the CL, I think I read an article not long after they took over City that said the CL was the key to new markets that (for political reasons) they wouldn’t necessarily have access to. I don’t know if that’s true or not but if the desire of the owners is to open up markets then that might be another dot point when the owners catch up with Pep to discuss what’s next.

19.) 05 May 2022 23:23:49
I think part of the reason is that Pep is too intense. Attitude is contagious and when your leader is nervous and jumpy as Pep is in close matches, it adversely affects players. He needs to chill. There was a stark difference in the approach to extra time with the two managers last night. One was calm, the other looked like he was about to stroke out.

20.) 05 May 2022 23:34:12
City have a team that’s very capable of winning the CL no question. What they don’t have is a stadium full of fans prepared to drag them over the line when things get tough. A stadium full of fans that put so much fear in to the opposition that even the world’s best players choke in their presence.
Does Benzema do a panenka in from of the Kop in that situation? Not a chance.
The Etihad is full of plastic fans that turn up expecting the team to win instead of helping them to win. Most of them have only supported City properly since the new owners arrived so their passion doesn’t run as deep as that of a Liverpool or Madrid.
One thing that the Premier League has encouraged is entitled idiots that berate their own team when it doesn’t go their way and the Etihad is full of them.

21.) 06 May 2022 13:10:50
Since Oli mentioned Tim Sherwood, did any of you see the Kelly and Wrighty show where Sherwood, in trying to explain City's inability to take control of the game, went on to wax lyrical about dropping soap and trying to pick it up again? Then that other numpty female pundit latched onto it and went further, talking poetically about luxury shower soap in the bottle being better than the regular bar of soap, in what lead to a WTF laughable moment for me because I had no idea what she was even talking about. she made Tim's statement seem genius! This was the most hilarious thing I had ever heard on a football show. Football punditry is a joke. LMAO. I should have known better and turned it off when I saw Tim Sherwood was on the panel *facepalm*.

05 May 2022 14:20:21
Why can't Man City win the champs league?
14 years the owners have been in place now, apparently with the "best coach in the world" and the "greatest PL team ever" yet they can't beat an ageing one man Real madrid team while winning 5-3 with 5 mins to go?

Is it Pep that's the issue? Mentality of the players?

Man City can't be tired as they have a big enough squad to rotate 3 times over so what's your thoughts on why the choke every time?

1.) 05 May 2022 15:35:42
Parts of Pep's record would have gotten him the sack back in the day cos it would simply be impossible to fail this much, this lone (10 years or so now) at the biggest stage and not be held accountable back then. To me, Pep continues to "fail up" at this point in Europe. Sad. Oh wait, not really.

2.) 05 May 2022 15:41:01
I think we need to beat Real first before we start throwing stones on City’s short comings against an aging Real side.

3.) 05 May 2022 15:47:13
I think the bigger factor is Pep. There's just something about his tactics or coaching that leads to these epic collapses. Putting aside his tendency to overthink and 'surprise' the opposition, which tends to confuse his own players more, his teams are prone to conceding a glut of goals in rapid succession. This goes all the way back to his Bayern days, so it's not just a City mentality issue, but a Pep one. An explanation I've seen proposed is that he overcoaches his teams, and thus, when things don't go well, his players are unable to think for themselves and adapt quickly to staunch the bleeding.

I think there's also the inherent tactical issue of Pep teams. They push so many men forward with wingers and mezzalas high and wide, if you manage to get past the first wave of pressure and tactical fouling, you're left with an open and exposed defence, all of whom are better ball players than they are defenders. It's notable that practically all the teams that have dumped them out of the CL were lethal on the counterattack, from Mbappe's Monaco to Salah's first season with us to Tuchel's Chelsea. You can even see it in the Prem where Vardy has repeatedly torched them or when Adama Traore would show up for Nuno's Wolves.

I propose that poor recruitment has also hurt them a lot. Spending 100m on Grealish instead of a striker this season, not adequately replacing stalwarts like Silva, Aguero and Kompany (tbf they've rectified this by signing Dias a season late), unloading a small nation's GDP on fullbacks only to end up with just two reliable ones, it goes on and on and on.

4.) 05 May 2022 16:11:04
Why would they sack Pep when he keeps winning the league every year 🤔. I yes not like he goes trophyless.

5.) 05 May 2022 16:22:04
Zpecialone, the guy inherited literally the best team on the planet with that 12/ 13 Bayern team under the legendary Jupp Heynkes that won the treble and actually achieved the rare feat of making them worse than the state he found them at due to his galaxy brain farts, systems and tactics that got the players confused esp. on the CL stage. There's a reason the likes of Ribery, Thomas Muller, Felix Magath etc. were glad to see the back of him and his galaxy brain.

6.) 05 May 2022 16:41:38
It truly was a Pep masterclass at Bayern, Oli. He bolstered one of the best Bayern teams ever with the likes of Lewandowski and Thiago and still managed to screw the team over. Don't let the Pep acolytes hear you though, they'll no doubt point to his Bundesliga titles like they haven't comfortably won every single one since he left.

7.) 05 May 2022 16:45:25
Harry, glad you're back. How was the mourning session at the Etihad with your fellow City fans?

8.) 05 May 2022 17:18:45
Guess whose back back again Harry’s back tell a friend lol nice to see you Harry how’s another cl failure for your believes blues feeling this morning? Blue Thursday?

9.) 05 May 2022 18:56:44
Stop calling him Pep! 😂.

10.) 05 May 2022 22:12:22
Can we please stop call Real Madrid a one man team - they aren’t and if we treat them like we just have to show up and pick up the trophy we are in for a shock. Just saying.

11.) 05 May 2022 23:36:08
Very valid point WDW.

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27 May 2022 19:24:47
Lol sure they have, come on Akira 1892 you can do better than that!

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09 May 2022 15:08:56
Ramsey will be a fine player, im an aberdeen fan go to the games week in week out and he's by far the best player on the pitch (not that is hard in scottish football) but the boys going to be a real talent.

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09 May 2022 14:28:59
Hope so, boy is a real talent who working under klopp can only get better.

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07 Apr 2022 16:45:45
What Akira has put is well in the public domain, nothing new, go on reddit its all over there what he was offered, his agents reaction is all over twitter etc. No one knows bar Salah and LFC what is going on, if he signs great. If he refuses 400k a week then good luck to him and see you later. LFC have bent over backwards to offer him a good package, if he feels he's worth more good look in him finding it.

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Do you
See LFC signing Diaz Ed 2 or is he priced out of reach?

{Ed002's Note - If the club are able to raise the money or strike a deal over a plan, then maybe.}

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21 Oct 2022 11:55:09
Stevie G is not a good manager, never was never will be and hopefully never takes over at LFC.

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21 Oct 2022 11:54:21
Salah has been consistent bar a 6 month period Gerrard had his off times as well all players do.

Two great players playing two different positions why compare?

One things for sure though, Gerrard is a terrible manager.

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17 Oct 2022 13:18:58
Is there any proof pep had coins thrown at him? He seemed to entice the crowd more than i think.

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ach its aberdeen where more broadly spoken than our weegie counterparts. he will be fine. Once he gets stuck into the local delicacies the accents will be the least of his worries.

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Seem him play live at Every Aberdeen home game he played last season and he is going to be a very good player for us, if he stays grounded and learns from Klopp and Trent etc. He will be fine. He is technically gifted and that needs honed which Klopp will do. He will be a good rotation for Trent!