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23 Oct 2015 15:19:47
I'd like to initiate a debate which comes about by virtue of the endless comments I read like: "he's never had prem experience" "not sure he's ready for the prem" "it's going to take time to adjust to the prem" etc etc.
I always read those and grin and think "what a load of. "
Why do I think that? Well a fair number of reasons, but a couple are:
- "the prem" is not a style so they are not required to adapt to the premiership style. Styles are developed by the coaching and the management staff who, in turn, develop players to play hopefully in a style or styles common to, and adaptable within, a team. Whenever a player moves from one team to another, within league or outside, there is some adaptation possibly required simply by virtue of it being a new team of course not as much a new league.
- premiership teams rarely prosper nowadays in Europe and many of those that have in the past developed their own styles that others are forced to adapt to play against when they take it to Europe. But as most of the prem teams play in Europe today the other key nations play the game their way and it is our teams that often can't live with them and it is us that are forced to adapt for the games or sink.
Ok England has done well in qualifying against some small nations but, let's be honest, we all expect us to fluff our lines when we come up against the strong EU nations who will play their style developed for their team and their players.
So I put it that actually, as long as there is a decent technician coach and tactician at the helm, a decent player on the continent or further afield should easily be a decent player on these shores.
Some, me included purely based on the poor state of many an English pro clubs strategy and selection for development versus better approaches within the game at out European neighbouring countries (an example being size bands in youth selection and development rather than pure age bands), would selfishly prefer our clubs buys don't have an English pro club development background.
1.) 23 Oct 2015 18:05:24
Nonsense that.
You attribute all your reasons on football, yet forget to mention the settling in part.
It would be wise to consider that footballers are in fact human, and that players do in fact struggle to adapt.
You telling me you've never struggled to adapt in a new job? In different surroundings with new colleagues? Not to mention the moving the family part, new schools, stress off the Mrs and potential language barrier and cultural differences.
Dead easy, isn't it?
Oh yeah, wages have no effect either.
There are exceptions, of course, but then again, everyone is different, but on a blanket assumption your opinion is wrong.
2.) 23 Oct 2015 18:50:02
How many we'll respected players have you seen come to the prem and struggle. the answer is a lot.
Veron for instance under fergie struggled along with di Maria under van gaal.
3.) 23 Oct 2015 19:24:40
Shevchenko is another.
4.) 24 Oct 2015 00:22:54
The prem isn't a style of football no, but teams like Stoke of old are far more physical than the equivalent positioned Spanish or Italian teams, that's part of the factor.
5.) 24 Oct 2015 04:55:42
How many of us would of been pulling our todgers at the thought of Falcoa joining us befor he went to United. I remember people fuming we didn't get Soldado when he joined Tottenham. In the prem you have to fight for every yard of space cause there's always someone ready to get in your face. Other countries like Spain play a more technical game where the player on the ball is afforded space until the final third when defenders close the angles and force the opposition into a mistake before making a measured attack them selves. The reason English sides struggle in Europe is cause we seem to change our style to play foreign teams at there own game. This has always confused me as I believe if we played with the intensity and aggression we do in the premier league teams wouldn't be able to cope as they wouldn't get the time on the ball they usually do. I know you couldn't go chasing the ball against some one like Barcelona cause there players would just play one touch football to get out of a tight spot then destroy you when they found space but 90% of teams would struggle in my opinion.
22 Oct 2015 13:14:28
Question for Ed001: I note that you feel that Lucas would have been the right guy to captain the squad but also read, I think, that you would not change it now. What is it you feel that Lucas has above Henderson (who I personally think was the right choice with the former as vice) .
{Ed001's Note - leadership, experience, the respect of the team, attitude. I like Henderson, but I just don't think he is ready.}
1.) 22 Oct 2015 13:33:26
I do like both and I definitely agree Lucas has experience, it appears he has the respect (from where I view) and he certainly has the attitude. But from the Henderson viewpoint I think that the only thing he lacks is the experience and is at least equal on all other points. Then, Henderson is the better player IMO, I know positions are different and I know you will say that it is not about the best player being captain but it helps if you are going to keep a first team place when fit and the better player would. Then on top of that, last year we lost a captain who was as good a captain as any I care to remember (I know I will be biased) but he was captain for a long time and from a young, inexperienced age. He grew with the role and with the selection/position as captain. While Hendo is not Stevie G my view is that he could also grow with it, and giving it to him now, or actually leaving it with him now, is not too early because of the mainly equal and some greater qualities he has. Like I say just a vote for Hendo and not a dig at a great ambassador for club in Lucas.
{Ed001's Note - Gerrard was an awful captain! The last thing we need is another like that. Yes he was the best player for long periods, but he was never the best captain.}
2.) 22 Oct 2015 13:42:21
Really? In your view he was an "awful" captain? Wow! Of course we are all entitled to our views and the most important view for anyone is their own I guess but I am really interested on the wider reader views of this. I hope you don't mind then if I ask the collective readers. Please therefore press AGREE if you all think Stevie was an awful captain and DISAGREE if you thought he was a very decent one?
{Ed001's Note - if you really think that is a good test of it, then you need help. Carragher should have been captain, Gerrard was too quiet on the pitch.}
3.) 22 Oct 2015 14:25:09
I don't suggest he was the best captain, but in his prime he did rescue us and lead by example. Yes carragher was more vocal but I wouldn't say Gerrard was awful. I know people will say trying hard isn't the only thing and he could still do the same if he wasn't captain, but when your captain is giving 100% to win a game, it encourages you to do the same. (This is not including the last few seasons mind)
{Ed001's Note - sorry but those kind of captains are not leaders, they are players and should not be captains. Leading by example is nonsense, they need to inspire by more than example.}
4.) 22 Oct 2015 15:07:03
Carra would have been my choice. Gerrard was the best player (for certain periods) but that's not a reason to be captain.
5.) 22 Oct 2015 15:07:34
Did ED said Gerrard was an awful captain? Lols.
You are sure and certain to get at least 50 million dislikes mate. 😂😂😂.
{Ed001's Note - who cares? I don't even see them on my side of the site.}
6.) 22 Oct 2015 15:24:29
What was big Sami like as a captain Ed001? Was he vocal? Who would you say has been our best in terms of organising the team? Would Hansen be in your top 3?
{Ed001's Note - Hyypia was excellent because he was so vocal and constantly organising the team. Hansen was before my time really, though I loved him and he was very much in control of the defence. To be honest, Hyypia is the best in recent years, though I always felt Carra could have been better, given the armband.}
7.) 22 Oct 2015 17:10:07
Cheers ed.
8.) 22 Oct 2015 18:25:00
Would a decent captain allow one of his squad to voice an opinion in peaceful jest that differs to his own, without suggesting to him he needs help? ;)
{Ed001's Note - depends on if he assumed the squad member could read or not to know that it wasn't the differing opinion that brought that jibe. I suppose I should just give up as not one person on here bothers reading what is said....}
9.) 22 Oct 2015 18:40:53
I think there is a subtle difference between a motivator and a leader. The manager should definitely be a leader no doubt but I think if you have a very decent leader off the pitch then an on field motivator is key for the 11 playing staff. Just an opinion but I think Gerard was an excellent motivator and you can absolutely "motivate by example" as I believe he did. Like I say just an opinion. For what it is worth I agree that people voting whether they thought Gerard was a very decent captain or not does not create a fact if those voting were the players in his squad then it counts significantly. I wonder therefore how his teammates might have voted? I suspect positively.
10.) 22 Oct 2015 19:31:09
I agree Carra would have been the obvious choice of captain for me. The signed photo on my living room wall would testify to that! But question ed do you think Gerrard was more of a lead by example rather than vocal captain on the pitch- a la Sam Warburton for Wales and the Blues. Or do you think that type of captain doesn't translate from Rugby to football?
{Ed001's Note - I don't think it works in any sport personally. The best teams have vocal players who do more than lead by example.}
11.) 22 Oct 2015 20:04:49
Being loud and over vocal does not make a good captain. In my opinion saying and doing the right things are important but they can be said without being what some consider vocal. Joey Barton for example is as vocal a player as I have seen. A decent captain? Nope! I think if your players can hear your messages of and on pitch and see your actions too off and on pitch and agree and follow them then you make a decent captain.
12.) 22 Oct 2015 22:27:19
It important to have a captain that can walk the talk. If he isn't leading by example in the tough times then you can bet players will go missing. However players need a captain who is going to communicate on the field. Otherwise what is he captain for? He could just as well be a standard player.
So ideally a mix of the 2. If he is weak at communication then he needs to work on that just like any other part of his game. But in the end I reckon a good team needs to have a number of communicators (as long as they are all singing from the same page), to spread the load.
06 Oct 2015 13:57:07
If Klopp was appointed is Marco Reus a realistic potential for joining in January? This is a player I like and one that clearly has values like a level of integrity, a level of loyalty, and a determination to make the right choice for him even if that means forgoing CL football for a while. Now of course that might mean he retains a loyalty to current club but I am thinking or rather hoping there is a background relationship that can be leveraged?! Eds?
{Ed002's Note - No.}
1.) 06 Oct 2015 14:13:08
Wondered how long before these baseless posts materialised concerning Dortmund's players. If its Ancelotti I suppose we will sign Real's best players
2.) 06 Oct 2015 14:17:23
I would imagine its goalkeeper and defence that need looking at ahead of attacking options.
3.) 06 Oct 2015 14:24:18
I don't see Klopp going for any Dortmund player for two reasons
1. Out of respect for Dortmund
2. I could see him wanting to build his own team without and past players.
4.) 06 Oct 2015 14:29:12
And the Dortmund Rumours begin, The only one I would i say is somehow realistic in ways is Hummels as he's gone everywhere Klopp has and our defence is quote poor but even on that I wouldn't hold my breath
{Ed002's Note - Hummels moved to Dortmund from Munich.}
5.) 06 Oct 2015 14:58:04
Do Dortmund have a decent keeper? I'd contend that's all we really need now that there'll likely be a tactical change. .
6.) 06 Oct 2015 15:34:14
Jeez! Let's get someone in first ! There's months of endless speculation ahead once that's sorted, so let's not start before we know eh?
7.) 06 Oct 2015 15:45:23
Ed01 now i know what you mean when you get wound up by posts from Red since 64, Red have you not got anything positive to say? you just seem to troll other peoples posts rather than give a fact or an opinion. take lessons from Harry who isn't around due to trolling
8.) 06 Oct 2015 18:02:46
Can't believe there are 2 disagrees on my comment about needing a new keeper, most of our problems in defense are down to Migs.
9.) 06 Oct 2015 20:22:22
The disagrees are because you asked did dortmund have a good keeper.
22 Jul 2015 15:03:41
Seriously, CB in and that has got to be it hasn't it? I'm not saying that I wouldn't welcome more class but these players this squad the team lineups etc have to gel. That's a big worry if too many arrive.
1.) 22 Jul 2015 17:00:26
We have like 10 centre backs I know you obviously think there's a lack of quality in that group which I kind of agree with but this summer we've tied down 2 to new contracts 1 will expect to be first choice. We also in the last 2 years spent nearly 40m on 2 others that will want to be played in the other spot. Add to that ilori can Gomez wisdom on top of those that I've named and you'll see why we won't be buying a centre back anytime soon.
2.) 22 Jul 2015 17:26:28
@Sam, some people have started referring to Christian Benteke as CB.
Really bad idea.
Benteke for me, CB leave that for Centre Backs.
3.) 22 Jul 2015 17:31:58
Arh okay if that's the case you can probably ignore my rant
4.) 22 Jul 2015 18:32:00
I'm sure Rodgers will try Benteke out as a centre-back
22 Jul 2015 14:59:26
My aunts next door neighbours sisters husband is friends with this guy who's nans boyfriends brothers work colleague knows a guy who hasn't got any liverpool rumours for us whatsoever!
1.) 22 Jul 2015 16:01:48
I can confirm post , but as I've never met or heard of the guy I'm sure the info isn't correct or even relevant , but I'll take it with a pinch of salt and say we'll sign Messi in the morning
2.) 22 Jul 2015 15:14:56
I don't believe a single word of this. TELL US ALL ABOUT REUS NOW!!!
3.) 22 Jul 2015 15:27:57
10/10 would believe all rumours again
4.) 22 Jul 2015 15:43:27
I heard that as well. From a circus knife-thrower I met in a phone box while he was rehearsing.
03 Dec 2015 18:59:09
Both had poor attitudes, one internally one externally, one had huge talent but the other pretty damn average. And Man City you are referring to as a big club? What denotes big? A rich benefactor? If so was that Russian outfit a big club not so long back? Nah MC not a big club in my judgement!
03 Dec 2015 18:55:16
Benteke is ok not going to set world on fire but outside of a Barcelona trio and a Bayern Munich and Man City one each, who is?! Certainly not the "thug pug" (steeling a mix of the quotes above)!
03 Dec 2015 18:49:20
Can't defend if life depended on it. The Spanish Johnson can go.
02 Dec 2015 06:17:54
He's an idiot!
23 Oct 2015 06:33:54
Instructions from BR. What: don't be a calamity between the sticks? All keepers can have good games - this same one did for BR on a few occasions! He's just not consistent and he's just not good enough. Bog dan is actually the better GK overall IMO but neither good enough for a first at LFC!
23 Oct 2015 06:28:55
Markovic loaned out?! Shouldn't you be saying "instead of gotten rid of". I'm getting more and more frustrated with suggestions that this lad is good enough. He's not, he wasn't and therefore he was a mistake in the buying. Need quality not Markovic. If Ancelotti had second thoughts that worries me too - that we would even consider Ancelotti!
23 Oct 2015 06:23:35
Markovic back?! 😂😂😂 Not laughed as much since we signed him! 😡 We need some stars and that is not Markovic!
22 Oct 2015 18:25:00
Would a decent captain allow one of his squad to voice an opinion in peaceful jest that differs to his own, without suggesting to him he needs help? ;)
{Ed001's Note - depends on if he assumed the squad member could read or not to know that it wasn't the differing opinion that brought that jibe. I suppose I should just give up as not one person on here bothers reading what is said....}
22 Oct 2015 18:15:05
Neither Lucas nor Masch World class! Neither twice as good as the other! Excellent original post RR and agree entirely. Lucas excellent embassador and hugely decent chap and a decent player as was Masch but yep we need a WC CDM as a matter of priority for me!