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18 Jul 2016 13:26:59
Just an alternate view - all this negativity! IF, and still a big IF, we sign Wijnaldum we're getting a player who scored 11 and assisted 5 in a relegated side, not too shabby and definitely an improvement.
Can't see where that would be a 'strange choice. ' Combine him with Mane and there's a lot of goals and assists added - surely a good thing? The defender is £4million, that's about £500k in today's market v 10/20 years ago so not a big deal and players will leave to more than cover both these costs.
Gotze looked awful at the Euros yet everyone is desperate for a big name like that (Balotelli anyone) . Klopp et al know what they're doing much more than we or (sorry) the Eds do - Mane and Wijnaldum in. Benteke and Ibe out? Surely a HUGE improvement, even if just based on stats? No? Just saying.
1.) 18 Jul 2016 13:40:21
I agree. although at the min I don't see Wijnaldum as someone we should urgently sign. Give him a chance, he may turn out to be quality. He has the talent and if he puts in the effort could be a steal. Yeah he looked grumpy and didn't really perform great last year but still had a decent return and people are allowed to have bad times. Hazard was terrible last season (til he played us) . And again I see no trouble in having 5 cbs especially since a few seem to constantly get niggles. Could have kept kolo. Yeah but this guy is more than likely a big improvement and our defence needed an overhaul.
2.) 18 Jul 2016 13:48:44
I don't think anyone thinks he's a bad player, but he just isn't needed we have too many attacking options as it is? We can't but a 20 million pound player on the bench?
3.) 18 Jul 2016 14:04:37
Examine that further he only scored in 7 games and 4 of those were against Norwich and 2 were in the game against Spurs when they were already relegated, so disregarding those, his total looks pretty poor. He is a shockingly bad player who we should be avoiding at all costs that Newcastle want rid and no one else wants him should raise alarm bells.
4.) 18 Jul 2016 14:21:04
Mr. Dennis - I think you'll find both halves of your final sentence plain wrong. Newcastle neither want to sell nor need to and I think you'll also find that Spurs have been monitoring Wijnaldum situation and Potchetino (spelling) has proven himself a good judge of player so that's good enough for me.
{Ed001's Note - Newcastle are very keen to offload him and he is extremely keen to leave. Rafa does not want Wijnaldum.}
5.) 18 Jul 2016 14:34:41
Raga didn't want Alonso? Raga doesn't want Wijnaldum?
Therefore: Wijnaldum>Alonso!
6.) 18 Jul 2016 14:40:52
I wouldn't even want him even if he was for free - he is not good enough. Spurs look like they will sign N'koudou for 10mil - a younger, better player with a lot more potential and for half the price. Us paying £20mil smacks of stupidity it really does - if it happens be prepared to put it into the Benteke/ Balotelli/ Carroll bin of daft, expensive transfer.
7.) 18 Jul 2016 14:53:22
Dennis just showed the exact reason why stats mean nothing and should Never be used to make an argument for a poor player. The fact is that he is a poor, lazy player who will add nothing to our team and isn`t better than those we already have here. Also, has the OP ever wobndered why such a good player was benched by his coach for not working hard enough during a relegation scrap? That`s something the stats don`t tell you now, do they? I personally don`t believe this rumor has legs as Ed has said that Newcastle desperately wants rid just like they want rid of Sissoko hence, agents may be trying to drum up interest even tho, there isn`t any.
8.) 18 Jul 2016 14:55:10
So because spurs are monitoring him that should mean he's a good player and is suited for us? Do Spurs have the same squad as us- no. So our needs are very different and unless we get rid of a few midfielders he'll be warming the bench.
9.) 18 Jul 2016 17:17:21
Cincyred he also never tracks back, his passing is poor, he's one paced, has no real skill, can't tackle and his shooting is poor. Add to that the fact he's weak physically and mentally and you have a lot of reasons to avoid him.
10.) 18 Jul 2016 17:52:57
no, he's quick enough and had over 80% pass success last season. Rafa rates him highly too, good enough for me.
13 Jan 2016 13:11:33
So it looks like today and yesterday produced a half decent loan cover, £3.5 million transfer fee and the agreement of a quality addition to the sqaud on a free in the summer. Terrible 'business' all round then.
1.) 13 Jan 2016 14:15:23
So it's 100% that Matip is coming and we're getting £3.5m from the Shelvey sale?
2.) 13 Jan 2016 14:19:52
For £3.5m, read £500k, which is what the BBC are reporting.
However, doesn't take away from a really good couple of days! Nice to see us working intelligently rather than just throwing money around (as long as the Pato rumours are unfounded! )
12 Jan 2016 14:11:05
For everyone who's getting so upset about Caulker, don't. Rodgers had a compulsion to sign player after player (needed or not) and spend endless money, Klopp has already indicated he won't do that and has a track record of being clever in the market. Not every signing has to be a world star or even a first XI starter, this is clearly the case of plugging a hole. Subotic, Matip, Caceres etc.!? Not one of them are world class (Subotic isn't! ) so why bring them in on megabucks and with an over inflated price now? Maybe, just maybe, Klopp is taking a measured approach and waiting for the summer? I read a lot about people saying this season is a write-off and that we should wait - those same people that are now screaming about the Caulker deal. Relax. and discuss.
{Ed001's Note - Caulker is on a higher wage than Subotic....}
1.) 12 Jan 2016 14:14:54
At Ed001 at least it's only until June, unlike Mario and co that are worthless but still on the books.
2.) 12 Jan 2016 14:22:18
But doesn't subotic want a permanent deal ed? So maybe he is just plugging a gap until better players are available in the summer like you and ed002 have said countless times, it's difficult to sign quality in January.
{Ed001's Note - yes he wants a permanent deal, but he has not got one yet or he would have taken it. This just smacks of desperation, which is a poor way to run a business.}
3.) 12 Jan 2016 14:37:33
I don't see desperation Ed. The past two summers have been desperation. Just spend spend spend. This loan move is a cheaper alternative than outright buying someone for inflated January prices. I'm not over the moon about the signing I'm just saying this was a low risk signing. If he impresses then he could get a contract as a Toure replacement in the summer. If not, then he goes.
{Ed001's Note - it is desperation as we already have centre backs. Signing one on big wages for a short term fix is not a cheaper alternative, if this is how we put together a squad, it will cost us a lot more.}
4.) 12 Jan 2016 14:59:10
I agree ed, I think it is an awful signing but I was just replying to the original post regarding Subotic, who I also would rather wait until the summer if he was all that was available. (unless he was a loan) .
5.) 12 Jan 2016 15:00:04
I'd say at this point we are a little desperate though. Caulker is Caulker, but he's also not Enrique.
6.) 12 Jan 2016 15:11:56
Enrique is the lowest of lowest of bars to use to judge a player. Having said that, How in the the heck did this happen and what "genius" sanctioned such a horrific deal? The guy is pants. Will incompetence never leave this club alone?
7.) 12 Jan 2016 15:19:34
Hes awful, and NOT who i envisaged coming in, not even on loan or as cover, i'm interested to hear what Klopp says about it.
{Ed023's Note - What do you expect him to say? Steven who? He's awful, it's Ian Ayre's fault, I wanted someone else.. Klopp is involved in this process.
Klopp probably thinks Caulker would be a good fit for 6 months. After all Klopp has changed everyone's opinion on Lovren so where's the proof he can't do the same with Caulker?}
8.) 12 Jan 2016 15:19:21
Ed001 - Couple of questions. 1) Do you not think Subotic would demand much higher wages to play in the Prem? 2) Panic? It's a loan and January 12th. Surely if it was a panic we'd be looking at, oh I don't know, £10-20million plus £80-100k+ for a player who's currently bench-warming?
A point. I'm a little surprised, aren't you a flag bearer for giving English players and old English coaches from the lower leagues a go/ 48th chance? ;)
{Ed001's Note - 1) No he wasn't, he just wanted to wait and see if a permanent deal would come in.
2) Exactly, so why do it now? Why not wait and look around? Instead we went and got an unwanted player, one who couldn't even make the bench, and are paying those kind of wages plus a loan fee, with no chance of getting any return from it.
I have no interest in what country a player is from, I don't know where you got that nonsense from. What I want is us to stop wasting money on crap and utilise the youth we have.}
9.) 12 Jan 2016 17:07:39
Agree 100% on the youth - and apologies, was meant to be a tongue in cheek comment. I've not posted before but I'm assuming you have to put up with a lot of bulls*&t on here. You're clearly very knowledgeable so can we change path? My question to you would be, what would you see as a succesful transfer window? For me, I don't believe we should be spending at all (unless a top class keeper comes available, which he won't) and then come summer we shift the 'expensive average' Milner, Mignolet, Benteke, Skrtl and poss Moreno (Smith already looks ready to me), and go again then. I'm sure we'll get an upgrade on players under Klopp v Rodgers, no need throw bad money at bad in January - present Caulker accepted.
P. S. Subotic definitely wants and deserves more than £40k in this market ;)
{Ed001's Note - sorry mate, I am extremely tired today, so probably a bit grumpy, recording the podcast meant a late night. I thought a successful transfer window would be recalling the youth and giving them a chance. I don't see the need to bring anyone in myself. This was a season to assess and prepare for the summer window. Personally I didn't want Subotic either.}
10.) 12 Jan 2016 17:18:52
No problem at all. Haha - funny thing is we seem to agree generally! At least the youth have been recalled - let's see who gets a good go. For me Smith is ready now. Brannagan, Ojo and Kent look like the ones who'd hold their own in select games too.
11.) 12 Jan 2016 17:11:11
The point is someone like ilori who one of the yonger cbs should of been given this opportunity as they rarely come about, and see if they could take it as the first team cbs will be back in a month or so and so will the opportunity to get some games
Caulker simply blocks the path of yet another player.
Remember everyone kicking off with markovic over ibe. Pure hypocricy!
12.) 12 Jan 2016 17:11:11
The point is someone like ilori who one of the yonger cbs should of been given this opportunity as they rarely come about, and see if they could take it as the first team cbs will be back in a month or so and so will the opportunity to get some games
Caulker simply blocks the path of yet another player.
Remember everyone kicking off with markovic over ibe. Pure hypocricy!
13.) 12 Jan 2016 15:55:26
Ed023 If you believe this to be a good signing that's up to you, personally I think its scraping the barrel of the highest order and NOT befitting of this club, it also doesn't send a good message to the under 21's,
If we truly believed as a club that we can still make top four then would we be signing him? would this be who Utd, Chelsea, City or Arsenal would sign? even in a mess for injuries? No, that's all I need to know, I don't doubt Klopp I think he needs time and I love his attitude but while a club like ours still has a chance of glory then we should do the very best to attain it, this is just making do, and nobody can comment on being short term for our other centre halves as none of those are that great either and he's just another wage added to an already over inflated bill.
{Ed023's Note - I never said it was a good signing, I don't judge any signing until I actually see them play for the club - I'll give my thoughts on the signing in a few months. I suggested the Klopp thinks it's a good fit for 6 months.}
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20 Jan 2016 19:51:06
Shane Long is barely one in four in terms of goals, Sturridge is one every one and a half games. Sturridge is a rare breed and if it is psychological, which it seems it is, that won't go away quickly. He's worth the slowly, slowly approach - 100% better in our squad than going somewhere else. Forget this year, anything is a bonus, then a full pre season under Klopp and judge it in a year. As for the wasted wages? Modern day football is rife with it at every club - if he gets fit and his goals get us back in Champs League season after next. job done. Just an alternate view.
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05 May 2017 20:01:11
As with everything else, Brexit will lead to an exodus not an influx.
09 Sep 2016 13:25:29
Got to be Zidane for me - made time stand still on a football pitch whilst he decided how to rip a team apart one minute, flash of brilliance another.
29 Aug 2016 19:42:01
Note: sarcasm post
Redmen Reus and Mattaldinho are spot on! Does anyone have Hicks and Gillette's phone numebrs so we can say sorry and ask them to come back.
FSG = huge investment, big strides forward commercially across the globe, redeveloping the stadium and constant backing of a manager who just loved to sign player after player without any plan for them. Yeah, they've been awful owners and they bailed us out just hours before we went under. Sneaky opportunists!
18 Jul 2016 17:52:57
no, he's quick enough and had over 80% pass success last season. Rafa rates him highly too, good enough for me.
23 Mar 2016 15:11:35
Ed001 is bang on - Klopp clearly has had enough and he's had chances remember. Read Benteke's interview today and it's clear he's not got the attitude, let alone the aptitude, to develop his 'style'. Problem is he's not ineffective, he 100% 'effects' the team negatively when he plays. I said stand behind him, he's a Liverpool player after all, after reading his whinging comments? Not so much.