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27 Aug 2017 00:54:56
My take on the vvd situation

Southampton
They want a bidding war to drive the price up they were aware of clubs talking to him but got pissed when it came out he would only go to lfc hence the tapping up and apology form us

Liverpool
Will only bid once a bid has been accepted by Southampton from other clubs

Chelsea and Arsenal
Will put a late bid in so hope to do the ground work before any clubs get involved

I have faith in macca and confident a deal will be done.

Clee Red

1.) 27 Aug 2017 04:49:03
Why on earth would we wait to bid until after they have had an acceptable bid from somewhere else? This has to be one of the strangest thoughts ever.


2.) 27 Aug 2017 06:36:37
We're pushing it to the wire. Even though Macca is very positive, I'm starting to doubt anything is going to happen.


3.) 27 Aug 2017 07:02:59
We would wait because if we were the only ones bidding there is a good chance Southampton will report us to be investigated. If they accept other bids, then they cannot say they want wanted to keep VVD. They want to sell him and as long as we bid in line with other clubs, it would be harder for them to have us investigated.


4.) 27 Aug 2017 08:14:08
News out there saying VVD sacked his agent to push for the deal, how is sacking his agent do any good to push for the deal with us?


5.) 27 Aug 2017 08:31:09
Agree with Clee, we can't make a bid unless someone else does and Southampton agree to sell.

I think he'll end up with Arsenal or Chelsea and we'll be stuck with the Lovren the great.


6.) 27 Aug 2017 08:42:21
VVD and Koeman have same agents.
They pissed off Southampton over Koemans exit.
Perhaps he getting rid as their relationship with Douthampton is impinging on any deal getting done?

Alternatively he could be getting rid in preparation for staying at Southampton i. e. "I've been badly advised".

{Ed002's Note - Actually, it was his change of agents late last year that started all of this looking to move on saga. He had a great agent in Henk-Maarten Chin who would have had van Dijk's best interest all of the time, would not have persuaded Southampton to let him meet with other clubs in January and would have immediately stopped all of the damage being done by Liverpool and by Klopp.

But he was persuaded before Christmas to move to the Jansens and the Wasserman Group, and it was downhill from there as Liverpool unsettled him, made illegal approaches, brushed off a complaint to the Premier League with an apology and withdrew interest - and then utilised ex-players to come out in the press and unsettle him further. Don't think it has gone unnoticed by certain powers that be that the likes of Carragher and Gerrard were all represented by the Wasserman Group.}


7.) 27 Aug 2017 09:17:47
Could there still be ramifications for Liverpool then ed002 as Gerrard is employed by us now?

{Ed002's Note - Of course. If he has left his agents (and I don't know that he has) they will still be seeking the full payment they are due and will address that through the courts if needs be. They also have a contract with the player which may have exit clauses built in. Southampton have a clause in his contract that could see him taken to court over a breach. Southampton could push to have their original complaint investigated or could indeed pass it to FIFA to address.

There is a terrible stench over this whole matter and if cheating is proven to be an acceptable route going forward then there is going to be a shift of power away from the authorities.}


8.) 27 Aug 2017 09:51:20
Thanks ed002.
It's all a bit of a mess. I really hope we learn from this.

{Ed002's Note - I hope so too.}


9.) 27 Aug 2017 11:18:14
To be honest, as bad as Liverpool has been in this saga, the whole industry and transfer process stinks and I can't help but feel it's because the whole business is so reliant on super agents who are massively incentivized to have clients that move every other year.

It feels that they will do anything to secure transfers including spreading rumors/ lies, doing shady under the table deals, setting up meetings when they shouldn't and manipulating the fans. I think it's long overdue the football world cleans up this side of he business.

{Ed002's Note - No. There are only a handful of "super rich" agents and I suspect that you knowledge of what they do and how they work is rather lacking given your comments.}


10.) 27 Aug 2017 13:20:07
Ed, the fact that the ex LFC players like Carra and SG were directly or indirectly involved via VVD's new agents (Wasserman group) in tapping up and unsettling VVD, is vwery troubling. This new info should be alarming to every LFC fan. IMO, this will not end well as this stinks to high hell and LFC has their hands dirty in this whole situation, along with VVD himself. As a result, I propose that people move on from hoping that VVD will sign here cos clearly, Saints know about all the info Ed02 just gave hence, why they will never sell at least to LFC, IMO.

{Ed002's Note - This isn't new information.}


11.) 27 Aug 2017 18:10:32
Why don't they just sell the lad then, who the hell do Southampton think they are? Pathetic from them.


 

 

13 May 2015 13:55:04
Marca reports Liverpool have offered Real Sociedad £14.3 million for Inigo Martinez

Clee Red

1.) 13 May 2015 14:48:17
Surely if true it means sakho or lovren are off


2.) 13 May 2015 15:05:48
Good alternative to Skrtel


3.) 13 May 2015 15:10:11
Another left footer I think spasmith

{Ed002's Note - You are correct.}


4.) 13 May 2015 15:49:05
Was going to say it sounded like rubbish, but now I see he's a LCB I believe it as clearly we need another one of those as a priority.


5.) 13 May 2015 15:57:51
Plz tell me this is rubbish. Why does clueless Brendan want another LCB when we already have 3 at the club? How is any sane person at the club even sanctioning this madness? Inigo Martinez is a good player but not what we need right now.


6.) 13 May 2015 15:59:14
Is there a quota? One left sided centre back for big money each summer?


7.) 13 May 2015 16:14:16
Perhaps Lovren is going to be converted to a right sided centre back (he's right footed) to be back up to Skrtel as Toure is leaving. Or we are selling Lovren altogether.
We have approx 7/8 centre backs over 20 on our books at the min. another one is not a priorty. I'd be relatively happy if we just picked 4, sold the rest and used the money towards a top quality striker.


8.) 13 May 2015 17:17:16
no truth in these Martinez rumours though is there Ed? I've been posting replys to others saying our onterest was on Vela, however reports seem to be growing. Surely we are well stocked with defenders?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any bid. If either Lovren or Sakho were to leave then perhaps there would be interest. Liverpool are overloaded with centre backs so it makes no sense.}


9.) 13 May 2015 17:45:53
maybe he can also play as LB.


10.) 13 May 2015 17:46:21
Maybe he can also play as Left Back and so Enrique's replacement.

{Ed002's Note - He is not a left back.}


11.) 13 May 2015 17:49:18
Obviously he will be our "Marquee" signing to play alongside Sturridge up top with Brendan in charge.


12.) 13 May 2015 18:54:33
Left-footed centre-back, you say? Sounds like Brendan is getting us a new right winger.


13.) 13 May 2015 19:54:47
If the manager wants to play 3 at the back, it's not overly ridiculous, especially if that frees Can to play in midfield again.


 

 

10 May 2015 10:26:39
Has winston Reid signed a new contract last I heard he was a target for Arsenal, if not are we in for him.

Assuming Toure, Coates & Llori leave the club

Clee Red

{Ed002's Note - Yes and No.}


 

 

16 Dec 2014 17:49:20
Few not reliable sites reporting that a fee of £3 million has been agreed for Mexican keeper Guillermo Ochoa

Probably rubbish but thought I'd share.

Clee Red

1.) Hope not. He is not the answer


 

 

23 Nov 2014 12:28:28
Hearing it's lambert and borini up top

Clee Red

1.) You could have waited a min and half longer and got the actual team.


2.) Thanks ginger I know one think we are both really fed up


 

 

 

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13 Sep 2017 22:22:48
A better keeper or VVD in the side can't explain why Moreno would not get goal side of their only striker in the box. he just doesn't understand.

Clee Red

1.) 13 Sep 2017 22:35:16
It's school boy stuff! He hasn't the defending brain great in attack but lacks the simple defending stuff.


2.) 13 Sep 2017 22:38:11
Moreno is convinced he is a striker himself sometimes that’s why haha.


3.) 13 Sep 2017 22:43:37
Tbf, if I'm Moreno, I'm expecting my professional footballing team mate on 100k a week to not miss the ball. Sorry state of affairs when Moreno is our best defender at the club.


4.) 13 Sep 2017 22:44:22
Keeper made no difference tonight. He had sod all to do apart from pick the ball out of the net on two goals he could do nothing about, and distribute the ball. And he distributed the ball well.

I'm not sure about van Dijk as an all encompassing solution. He's undoubtedly a better defender than what we have currently, but we need a leader as well as a good player, someone who can marshall and organise the defence. I'm not sure if that's what he is. I'd say we'd need van Dijk and another center back.

As for "why Moreno would not get goal side" it's because he's not a defender. He's a winger that moved to fullback because he wasn't a good enough winger. We need to stop using him.


5.) 13 Sep 2017 22:57:17
He doesn't have the right mindset to be a defender.


6.) 14 Sep 2017 00:23:00
In fact if lovren wasn't anywhere near the cross I bet moreno would have been getting goal side of his man then. So you could argue we would have been better off if lovren wasn't on the pitch for their first goal. Moreno bashing has become a new pass time for some. He had a good game. Maybe man of the match if you take the two reckless challenges out.


7.) 14 Sep 2017 03:50:58
I more wonder where exactly Matip was? Gomez tried to block the cross, Lovren fluffed the clearance, it goes by Can quickly, and Moreno is wrong side of the goal scorer. So Lovren rightfully takes a bit of stick here, but where is his partner? Nowhere to be seen.

{Ed001's Note - he was busy watching and pointing where Gomez should be, completely out of position and helping no one but leaving Gomez to deal with two Sevilla players on his own.}


8.) 14 Sep 2017 00:17:19
Wasn't moreno's fault, he had a good game. Lovren has to get there. He did get there but missed it awful. He does his job and moreno doesn't come into it. Apart from the wild challenge that could of seen him sent off I thought he was great tonight. The cbs were just awful.


 

 

31 Aug 2017 21:50:44
It's bad business not to get a CB in.

We simply can't compete with four completions with the squad we have.

Our most promising young players out on loan who I thought would make the numbers up.
I really thought we would make a statement this window, if pip goes we would be weaker than last season.

Clee Red

1.) 31 Aug 2017 21:59:22
Gomez and TAA aren't out on loan.


2.) 31 Aug 2017 22:25:32
Our most promising young players? Trent, gomez, ejaria, Woodburn, and solanke? Have I missed some deals today.


3.) 31 Aug 2017 23:18:26
OP, who says we can't? We have the FB positions, wide forward positions and midfield positions well-stocked so how about you wait and see how we do in these comps. before making hasty judgement?


4.) 01 Sep 2017 01:29:39
See how many will cope with 2 games a week with the high pressing game we play
Any injury to our first choice CBs and we are in trouble
It's not X box boys.


5.) 01 Sep 2017 08:19:02
Why do LFC need more in each position than the other top clubs?


 

 

18 Aug 2017 08:03:47
City, Utd, West Brom, spurs, Chelsea and Southampton all addded or adding centre halfs any which would have improved Liverpool and we're sat on our hands if VVD doesn't come off we are going to look silly.

Clee Red

1.) 18 Aug 2017 08:19:54
Let's hope that won't be the case. I am sure the board is working for at least 2 more incomings.


2.) 18 Aug 2017 08:45:45
Lets examine that statement. City are after signing Jonny Evans, a die hard Man United fan who is at best a journeyman footballer, he wouldn't want to play for us and we shouldn't be looking at him as a starting centre back. West Brom will be going for Kevin Wimmer, who didn't at all look a top class centre back last season. Spurs haven't signed anyone yet but are looking at Davison Sanchez who is very over rated. Chelsea signed Rudiger who I don't really rate personally as he is a bit Djimi Traore on the ball. Southampton are after that Dutch lad from Lazio, who isn't particularly good in the air or dominant and they have signed an unknown Polish lad. I would contend that none of those players would improve our starting 11.

{Ed001's Note - Evans, to be fair, was very good at United, he just suffered so many injuries they gave up on him. It is purely his fitness that is the issue with him.}


3.) 18 Aug 2017 09:03:22
Lindelof wouldn't improve Tranmere mate! And who's this fella Spurs are signing? Hopefully this transfer window has shown we are done taking chances on average players and going hard after our first choice targets. Imagine if we'd turned our attention to Johnny Evans?! It would be carnage on this site!


4.) 18 Aug 2017 09:24:34
we could always go for Jonny Evans then and beat Man City to the punch.


5.) 18 Aug 2017 09:46:07
I actually think Evans is a decent defender.


6.) 18 Aug 2017 09:55:32
Would signing Evans cause more carnage than signing no one.


7.) 18 Aug 2017 10:48:22
Clee I honestly think he would!


8.) 18 Aug 2017 11:06:04
OP, your post is illogical. Mr Dennis responded to it, remarkably.


 

 

17 Aug 2017 08:39:13
Evans to city looks like they understand the vvd situation and moved on.

Clee Red

1.) 17 Aug 2017 08:57:10
My initial thought was they were struggling for the home grown quota and also needed a CB so they thought why not do both.

If they need homegrown players I'll happily sit on the sidelines for 20k a week!


2.) 17 Aug 2017 09:01:15
They don't have much left! They have crossed the limits and are looking to sign Sanchez as well.


3.) 17 Aug 2017 09:10:58
VVD will end up at Chelsea if he moves anywhere.


4.) 17 Aug 2017 09:14:43
In what sense is Evans home grown?

{Ed002's Note - In every sense. Evans is home grown.}


5.) 17 Aug 2017 09:31:41
Mr Dennis are actually Dennis Wise? You seem very keen for VVD to sign for Chelsea 😂.


6.) 17 Aug 2017 10:32:03
City probably want some homegrown players in the squad, hence the Evans interest. let's be honest, he won't start many games just like Delph, Roberts, Sinclair who all wasted precious years at City. Kompany and Stones will still be their first choice CB pairing and when/ if Kompany gets injured, City will do a Liverpool in defending.


7.) 17 Aug 2017 10:54:10
Ings n things, It is just logical that Southampton are very very annoyed with the way that we acted, they now have a centre back who will not play for them and Chelsea are said to be in for VVD (Notwithstanding the social media post stating that he was in London yesterday that was quickly deleted) and if they make a bid that Southampton think is too good to turn down he will go there, we will have zero say in the matter. I personally think because of the way we have acted hell would freeze over before Southampton would consider selling to us, to think otherwise is just self deluding.


8.) 17 Aug 2017 12:39:07
The second poster refers to the home grown quota, Evans is Irish and does not qualify for the home grown quota, being neither English or Welsh.


9.) 17 Aug 2017 13:13:27
Northern Ireland?


 

 

14 Aug 2017 20:11:37
I don't understand why no one has put a bid in for vvd through the correct channels.
I know they don't want to sell but if a bid is placed on a player that wants to leave it will get some reaction from Southampton.

Clee Red

{Ed002's Note - I suspect because as part of their slime trailing apology the owners and the board said the Liverpool had withdrawn all interest in the player (after a formal complaint was made to the Premier League).}


1.) 14 Aug 2017 20:26:43
think he means why have no other clubs bid ed.

{Ed002's Note - The other interested sides were told he was not for sale and respected that. With the damage done and his position untenable, one or more will soon return.}


2.) 14 Aug 2017 20:29:03
Do all bids get reported ed or can a club make a bid and have it rejected without the press finding out?
Maybe difficult to answer 🤝.

{Ed002's Note - It depends to a large extent on the club and any agent(s) involved.}


3.) 14 Aug 2017 20:39:37
Sorry ed lost me with that reply.
Re this illegal approach, yes klopp did wrong but he did an has done no worse than any other manager has done over the years we all know tapping up happens. For God sake he's not committed murder I'm sick of hearing klopp did this slimy club apologies that.

{Ed002's Note - Rubbish - what he has done is, in the time that the game has been working hard to clean up its act, unprofessional and totally illegal. Others aren't doing this. Other clubs are not having to deal with constant threats from clubs they screw, not having to have the owners trail slime with humiliating apologies. Other managers will not be ridiculed for his attempts to use the press to tap up players whilst damaging professionals contracted to other clubs - van Dijk is now seriously damaged goods because of the illegal and unprofessional behavior of Klopp. I guess your knowledge of the entire subject is zip. Great job opening it up again.}


4.) 14 Aug 2017 20:45:40
ron think ed said we made are signature low ball half arsed bid for koulibaly that i never seen in the papers or anywhere else.


5.) 14 Aug 2017 20:54:29
Van Dijk is as bad now to be fair.


6.) 14 Aug 2017 21:18:56
Ed2 what's the difference in Fowler opening up this subject again and me saying about opening the subject below.

{Ed002's Note - I thought you weren't going to post anymore because of your let's scre the kid because people lost parents in Northern Ireland 40 years ago attitude? You have made you point and you are very clearly not the type of supporter the club would want. Pitiful.}


7.) 14 Aug 2017 21:30:14
Well ed02, arsene wenger disagrees with you, did everyone miss his statement that tapping up is widespread and he's been dealing with his top players being illegally approached this year and every year of the 20 he's been in management, or the longest most respected manager in the pl not telling the truth?

{Ed002's Note - Really, did he mention overstepping the mark by agents or the worst side for unprofessionalism in Europe and the behavior of Klopp and Liverpool. Have other clubs dragged slime as they have apologised for their behavior, are other clubs already serving a ban, are other clubs subject to constant warnings and complaints, do other clubs have such pitiful supporters to try and constantly blame other and deflect. Do other clubs screw up the life of a 12 year old leaving his parents in debt, lying to an investigation and trying to persuade the parents to lie as well. Do other clubs look to use high end lawyers to overcome the debt ridden parents of a child in order to avoid further punishnment. You are a complete embarrassment.}


8.) 14 Aug 2017 22:37:36
Ed02 if most of my posts actually got through you'd have seen I've never excused or deflected from any of klopps or the clubs behavior, he's been truly despicable and lfc deserve any punishment we get, I was replying to your comment about tapping up and illegal approaches not been widespread, when clearly it as as the longest serving manager has said he's had this summer, Monaco threatened psg and city, we may be top of the rubbish heap but it's still a rubbish heap and wrong is wrong, and it's widespread and I'll take the word of a man 20 years working in the game, and frankly your refusal to accept anyone other than lfc are engaging in illegal goings on is rather an embarrassment,

{Ed002's Note - You are right that there is a long way to go, but you need to understand that the game has been cleaning itself up over many years. It doesn't go on like it used to. Liverpool need to fix what are a series of major failings. I know a light year more about the game than you will ever know and I am well aware of what goes on. Liverpool are the absolute bottom of the pile within the European game.}


9.) 14 Aug 2017 22:47:57
I don't understand why anyone is trying to justify the club's poor behaviour. It cannot be justified.

If "the club" was one of our players, we would want them sacked straight away.


10.) 14 Aug 2017 22:48:59
I am ashamed and embarrassed that jockstrap, Belfast and portred claim to be fans of the club I love. I'm appalled at the drivel they post trying to justify things that just can not be justified. The club and some of its employees have done wrong, accept it and move on.
Ed, I apologise for these Ignorants and assure you that we are not all like that.


11.) 14 Aug 2017 23:20:28
Ron I wasn't excusing the clubs behavior, the opposite infact, I was pointing out what the longest serving manager in the pl had said not 2 weeks ago, he dealt with illegal approaches this summer and every one of his 20 at arsenal, ed02 I was not trying to emply I knew remotely anywhere near what you do about the game, or the goings on in it, I read these pages because I don't know much, my apologies if it came across that way, oh and I was saying lfc top of the pile as in the worst,

{Ed002's Note - I understand PR and you have probably dug a hole larger than you need, but I just want to move on from this and hope the club do too. Nothing to do with bidding on VvD or not, but there is a better way to do business. And there is no need to apologise - perhaps any more than I should. I have nothing against the club but I want to see them get back to doing business the right way. They have lost direction and need the boost of two or three seasons getting in to the Champions League and second or third in the league. I fear another Manchester period coming up with Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea fighting for two spots. It is going to be tough.}


12.) 14 Aug 2017 23:59:45
The club did wrong. we get it. move on.
I really appreciate the info on this site.
But ed2 when did the klopp inhospility start. at lfc, Dortmund or Mainz.
You literally have nothing good to say about the guy. I am genuinely interested on where the anti klopp feeling comes from.
Even before this summer everything about him you seemed to be negative about.
I appreciate the harsh come back I'll probably now get. I just do not understand it.
Lfc fans aren't all knuckle dragging morons and we obviously will get behind our own. not blind loyalty, but because for a lot of us we love this club, and your insesant anti klopp replies is against one of our own.
Any q the sharp put down reply.

{Ed002's Note - I don't have any anti-Klopp feeling and have done no more than tell you the truth.}


 

 

 

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16 Aug 2017 14:09:20
In macca we trust.

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09 Aug 2017 18:40:51
Any info you give macca is greatly appreciated

If you say it's back on its back on. 👌🏻.

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19 Jul 2017 10:12:13
There's 6/ 7 players moving out and we've added 2/ 3

There must be some hope of getting our main targets over the line or are we waiting for them to put requests in and force the move

I haven't seem much else to suggest we have other targets but I trust JK.

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19 Jul 2017 09:38:28
Time to move on to other targets.

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Posted a few weeks ago
Liverpool offer ridiculous low price
Player becomes unsettled
Liverpool mess about with transfer for a couple of weeks
Man City offer £60 million
Player goes to Man City.

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13 Sep 2017 22:31:33
Time and time again we lack leaders, organisers players who are managers on the field and do the dirty work.
They don't cost hundreds of millions they are just a unit in the middle a cog in a machine and we don't have any.

Clee Red

 

 

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07 Sep 2017 20:35:15
Keita is top draw aoe and will prove to be a bargain.

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01 Sep 2017 01:29:39
See how many will cope with 2 games a week with the high pressing game we play
Any injury to our first choice CBs and we are in trouble
It's not X box boys.

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23 Aug 2017 23:00:48
Great post we have a real gem on our hands what do you think his best position will be he has played more advanced.

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18 Aug 2017 09:55:32
Would signing Evans cause more carnage than signing no one.

Clee Red