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27 Aug 2017 00:54:56
My take on the vvd situation

They want a bidding war to drive the price up they were aware of clubs talking to him but got pissed when it came out he would only go to lfc hence the tapping up and apology form us

Will only bid once a bid has been accepted by Southampton from other clubs

Chelsea and Arsenal
Will put a late bid in so hope to do the ground work before any clubs get involved

I have faith in macca and confident a deal will be done.

Clee Red

1.) 27 Aug 2017 04:49:03
Why on earth would we wait to bid until after they have had an acceptable bid from somewhere else? This has to be one of the strangest thoughts ever.

2.) 27 Aug 2017 06:36:37
We're pushing it to the wire. Even though Macca is very positive, I'm starting to doubt anything is going to happen.

3.) 27 Aug 2017 07:02:59
We would wait because if we were the only ones bidding there is a good chance Southampton will report us to be investigated. If they accept other bids, then they cannot say they want wanted to keep VVD. They want to sell him and as long as we bid in line with other clubs, it would be harder for them to have us investigated.

4.) 27 Aug 2017 08:14:08
News out there saying VVD sacked his agent to push for the deal, how is sacking his agent do any good to push for the deal with us?

5.) 27 Aug 2017 08:31:09
Agree with Clee, we can't make a bid unless someone else does and Southampton agree to sell.

I think he'll end up with Arsenal or Chelsea and we'll be stuck with the Lovren the great.

6.) 27 Aug 2017 08:42:21
VVD and Koeman have same agents.
They pissed off Southampton over Koemans exit.
Perhaps he getting rid as their relationship with Douthampton is impinging on any deal getting done?

Alternatively he could be getting rid in preparation for staying at Southampton i. e. "I've been badly advised".

{Ed002's Note - Actually, it was his change of agents late last year that started all of this looking to move on saga. He had a great agent in Henk-Maarten Chin who would have had van Dijk's best interest all of the time, would not have persuaded Southampton to let him meet with other clubs in January and would have immediately stopped all of the damage being done by Liverpool and by Klopp.

But he was persuaded before Christmas to move to the Jansens and the Wasserman Group, and it was downhill from there as Liverpool unsettled him, made illegal approaches, brushed off a complaint to the Premier League with an apology and withdrew interest - and then utilised ex-players to come out in the press and unsettle him further. Don't think it has gone unnoticed by certain powers that be that the likes of Carragher and Gerrard were all represented by the Wasserman Group.}

7.) 27 Aug 2017 09:17:47
Could there still be ramifications for Liverpool then ed002 as Gerrard is employed by us now?

{Ed002's Note - Of course. If he has left his agents (and I don't know that he has) they will still be seeking the full payment they are due and will address that through the courts if needs be. They also have a contract with the player which may have exit clauses built in. Southampton have a clause in his contract that could see him taken to court over a breach. Southampton could push to have their original complaint investigated or could indeed pass it to FIFA to address.

There is a terrible stench over this whole matter and if cheating is proven to be an acceptable route going forward then there is going to be a shift of power away from the authorities.}

8.) 27 Aug 2017 09:51:20
Thanks ed002.
It's all a bit of a mess. I really hope we learn from this.

{Ed002's Note - I hope so too.}

9.) 27 Aug 2017 11:18:14
To be honest, as bad as Liverpool has been in this saga, the whole industry and transfer process stinks and I can't help but feel it's because the whole business is so reliant on super agents who are massively incentivized to have clients that move every other year.

It feels that they will do anything to secure transfers including spreading rumors/ lies, doing shady under the table deals, setting up meetings when they shouldn't and manipulating the fans. I think it's long overdue the football world cleans up this side of he business.

{Ed002's Note - No. There are only a handful of "super rich" agents and I suspect that you knowledge of what they do and how they work is rather lacking given your comments.}

10.) 27 Aug 2017 13:20:07
Ed, the fact that the ex LFC players like Carra and SG were directly or indirectly involved via VVD's new agents (Wasserman group) in tapping up and unsettling VVD, is vwery troubling. This new info should be alarming to every LFC fan. IMO, this will not end well as this stinks to high hell and LFC has their hands dirty in this whole situation, along with VVD himself. As a result, I propose that people move on from hoping that VVD will sign here cos clearly, Saints know about all the info Ed02 just gave hence, why they will never sell at least to LFC, IMO.

{Ed002's Note - This isn't new information.}

11.) 27 Aug 2017 18:10:32
Why don't they just sell the lad then, who the hell do Southampton think they are? Pathetic from them.



13 May 2015 13:55:04
Marca reports Liverpool have offered Real Sociedad £14.3 million for Inigo Martinez

Clee Red

1.) 13 May 2015 14:48:17
Surely if true it means sakho or lovren are off

2.) 13 May 2015 15:05:48
Good alternative to Skrtel

3.) 13 May 2015 15:10:11
Another left footer I think spasmith

{Ed002's Note - You are correct.}

4.) 13 May 2015 15:49:05
Was going to say it sounded like rubbish, but now I see he's a LCB I believe it as clearly we need another one of those as a priority.

5.) 13 May 2015 15:57:51
Plz tell me this is rubbish. Why does clueless Brendan want another LCB when we already have 3 at the club? How is any sane person at the club even sanctioning this madness? Inigo Martinez is a good player but not what we need right now.

6.) 13 May 2015 15:59:14
Is there a quota? One left sided centre back for big money each summer?

7.) 13 May 2015 16:14:16
Perhaps Lovren is going to be converted to a right sided centre back (he's right footed) to be back up to Skrtel as Toure is leaving. Or we are selling Lovren altogether.
We have approx 7/8 centre backs over 20 on our books at the min. another one is not a priorty. I'd be relatively happy if we just picked 4, sold the rest and used the money towards a top quality striker.

8.) 13 May 2015 17:17:16
no truth in these Martinez rumours though is there Ed? I've been posting replys to others saying our onterest was on Vela, however reports seem to be growing. Surely we are well stocked with defenders?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any bid. If either Lovren or Sakho were to leave then perhaps there would be interest. Liverpool are overloaded with centre backs so it makes no sense.}

9.) 13 May 2015 17:45:53
maybe he can also play as LB.

10.) 13 May 2015 17:46:21
Maybe he can also play as Left Back and so Enrique's replacement.

{Ed002's Note - He is not a left back.}

11.) 13 May 2015 17:49:18
Obviously he will be our "Marquee" signing to play alongside Sturridge up top with Brendan in charge.

12.) 13 May 2015 18:54:33
Left-footed centre-back, you say? Sounds like Brendan is getting us a new right winger.

13.) 13 May 2015 19:54:47
If the manager wants to play 3 at the back, it's not overly ridiculous, especially if that frees Can to play in midfield again.



10 May 2015 10:26:39
Has winston Reid signed a new contract last I heard he was a target for Arsenal, if not are we in for him.

Assuming Toure, Coates & Llori leave the club

Clee Red

{Ed002's Note - Yes and No.}



16 Dec 2014 17:49:20
Few not reliable sites reporting that a fee of £3 million has been agreed for Mexican keeper Guillermo Ochoa

Probably rubbish but thought I'd share.

Clee Red

1.) Hope not. He is not the answer



23 Nov 2014 12:28:28
Hearing it's lambert and borini up top

Clee Red

1.) You could have waited a min and half longer and got the actual team.

2.) Thanks ginger I know one think we are both really fed up




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07 Jan 2018 20:08:55
I've no inside knowledge but I would be amazed if there was no replacement lined up for coutinho considering the position we are in ie fa cup league and champs league

I really don't see Mahrez as a replacement he's not the quality we require

Lemar is quality as is Sanchez but I fear he's city bound

Keita may arrive early and is a good call depending on how much extra we need to pay

Keeper won't be changed this window and I still don't see why ward isn't given game time

In short replacement for coutinho this window and keeper and replacement for can in the summer plus a cheeky bid for Danny rose

As always open for criticism.

Clee Red

1.) 07 Jan 2018 20:21:25
If you don't see mahrez as the quality to replace coutinho, can you remind me who's won players/ writers/ managers player of the season awards?

2.) 07 Jan 2018 20:26:54
And has a premier league winners medal.

3.) 07 Jan 2018 20:32:14
Good player in a poor team

Explain to me why no one else has come in for him when he's clearly for sale.

4.) 07 Jan 2018 20:37:40
So has Danny Simpson ask carra.

5.) 07 Jan 2018 20:41:52
Everything clicked for Leicester the year they won, don’t forget traore has a champions league medal and I wouldn’t have him back.

I am not for one second saying he isn’t a good player but I don’t think he has the attitude, would love to be proved wrong if he does indeed join though.

6.) 07 Jan 2018 20:41:59
Not sure he is clearly for sale. Especially in January. Besides Leicester aren't excatly poverty driven so they have no need to sell. Maybe Mahrez will have a back strain this month to force a move.

7.) 07 Jan 2018 20:50:00
What exactly has Lemar done which Mahrez hasn't?

1 is a high scoring and assisting player with premier league experience and won the premier league and player of the year - the other is Lemar.

8.) 07 Jan 2018 20:50:33
Fully agree with Benny here, Maher’s could be great for us or he might not but there’s certainly no doubting the guy is very very talented. As Benny pointed out he was player of the season when Leicester won the title. Why are so many on here complaining about him, ok he’s been off the boil but so was VVD before he joined us.

9.) 07 Jan 2018 21:05:17
“What exactly has Lemar done which Mahrez hasn't? ”

Played in a champions league semi?

10.) 07 Jan 2018 21:18:04
It's not like Lemar got them there single handed. I'm not convinced on Lemar at 90plus million even if we had citeh type budget. He just hasn't done enough to show he is worth that fee. I'll trust Klopp knows who he thinks is more his type of player and how they will fit though.

11.) 07 Jan 2018 21:28:06
haha Mahrez could possibly play in a CL semi this year, Lemar cant.
Having said that, I like both.

12.) 07 Jan 2018 21:56:28
And what has Mahrez done since winning the PL in 2016? IMO, it is dishonest to only refer to the past and conveniently ignore the present or all the things after that that PL win. The fact of the matter is that Mahrez has been bang average and piss poor since 2016 and this is cos he moved heaven and earth to get out of LC to the point of going AWOL for his country on deadline day last summer and has been crap since then. Don't believe me? Watch the game at Anfield and watch Mahrez all game and let me know what other else he did apart from the assist in the 3rd minute. Spoiler alert: He did absolutely nothing.

Don't know a lot about Lemar BUT Ed01 says he is a very good player and Klopp rates him so I'll defer to them. As for Mahrez? Sorry, he is now a crap, lazy, inconsistent player who is not even fit to start ahead of anyone in our front 3.

13.) 07 Jan 2018 21:56:28
And what has Mahrez done since winning the PL in 2016? IMO, it is dishonest to only refer to the past and conveniently ignore the present or all the things after that that PL win. The fact of the matter is that Mahrez has been bang average and piss poor since 2016 and this is cos he moved heaven and earth to get out of LC to the point of going AWOL for his country on deadline day last summer and has been crap since then. Don't believe me? Watch the game at Anfield and watch Mahrez all game and let me know what other else he did apart from the assist in the 3rd minute. Spoiler alert: He did absolutely nothing.

Don't know a lot about Lemar BUT Ed01 says he is a very good player and Klopp rates him so I'll defer to them. As for Mahrez? Sorry, he is now a crap, lazy, inconsistent player who is not even fit to start ahead of anyone in our front 3.

14.) 08 Jan 2018 01:17:55
Calm down lads, the point is that people claiming mahrez is a hack fraud compared to coutinho need to think about what they are saying. Hazard has been inconsistent and accused as lazy in very similar ways to mahrez. In fact id say at times they are quite similar as players. Would you not have hazard if given the chance? If klopp has faith in a players attitude and ability then i do too. Except i don't need to have faith when it comes to mahrez, i can see it with my own eyes he is a good player, plays for a pretty average team too so the room for improvement is very much there.

15.) 08 Jan 2018 05:37:01
Couldn’t have said it better myself A W.

16.) 08 Jan 2018 06:40:25
Yes, my reply was tongue in cheek 😉
Mahrez is talented, he suffers from a bit of an attitude problem. The same was said about Sadio but Klopp got him firing. I would not be against this transfer if it happened.



13 Sep 2017 22:22:48
A better keeper or VVD in the side can't explain why Moreno would not get goal side of their only striker in the box. he just doesn't understand.

Clee Red

1.) 13 Sep 2017 22:35:16
It's school boy stuff! He hasn't the defending brain great in attack but lacks the simple defending stuff.

2.) 13 Sep 2017 22:38:11
Moreno is convinced he is a striker himself sometimes that’s why haha.

3.) 13 Sep 2017 22:43:37
Tbf, if I'm Moreno, I'm expecting my professional footballing team mate on 100k a week to not miss the ball. Sorry state of affairs when Moreno is our best defender at the club.

4.) 13 Sep 2017 22:44:22
Keeper made no difference tonight. He had sod all to do apart from pick the ball out of the net on two goals he could do nothing about, and distribute the ball. And he distributed the ball well.

I'm not sure about van Dijk as an all encompassing solution. He's undoubtedly a better defender than what we have currently, but we need a leader as well as a good player, someone who can marshall and organise the defence. I'm not sure if that's what he is. I'd say we'd need van Dijk and another center back.

As for "why Moreno would not get goal side" it's because he's not a defender. He's a winger that moved to fullback because he wasn't a good enough winger. We need to stop using him.

5.) 13 Sep 2017 22:57:17
He doesn't have the right mindset to be a defender.

6.) 14 Sep 2017 00:23:00
In fact if lovren wasn't anywhere near the cross I bet moreno would have been getting goal side of his man then. So you could argue we would have been better off if lovren wasn't on the pitch for their first goal. Moreno bashing has become a new pass time for some. He had a good game. Maybe man of the match if you take the two reckless challenges out.

7.) 14 Sep 2017 03:50:58
I more wonder where exactly Matip was? Gomez tried to block the cross, Lovren fluffed the clearance, it goes by Can quickly, and Moreno is wrong side of the goal scorer. So Lovren rightfully takes a bit of stick here, but where is his partner? Nowhere to be seen.

{Ed001's Note - he was busy watching and pointing where Gomez should be, completely out of position and helping no one but leaving Gomez to deal with two Sevilla players on his own.}

8.) 14 Sep 2017 00:17:19
Wasn't moreno's fault, he had a good game. Lovren has to get there. He did get there but missed it awful. He does his job and moreno doesn't come into it. Apart from the wild challenge that could of seen him sent off I thought he was great tonight. The cbs were just awful.



31 Aug 2017 21:50:44
It's bad business not to get a CB in.

We simply can't compete with four completions with the squad we have.

Our most promising young players out on loan who I thought would make the numbers up.
I really thought we would make a statement this window, if pip goes we would be weaker than last season.

Clee Red

1.) 31 Aug 2017 21:59:22
Gomez and TAA aren't out on loan.

2.) 31 Aug 2017 22:25:32
Our most promising young players? Trent, gomez, ejaria, Woodburn, and solanke? Have I missed some deals today.

3.) 31 Aug 2017 23:18:26
OP, who says we can't? We have the FB positions, wide forward positions and midfield positions well-stocked so how about you wait and see how we do in these comps. before making hasty judgement?

4.) 01 Sep 2017 01:29:39
See how many will cope with 2 games a week with the high pressing game we play
Any injury to our first choice CBs and we are in trouble
It's not X box boys.

5.) 01 Sep 2017 08:19:02
Why do LFC need more in each position than the other top clubs?



18 Aug 2017 08:03:47
City, Utd, West Brom, spurs, Chelsea and Southampton all addded or adding centre halfs any which would have improved Liverpool and we're sat on our hands if VVD doesn't come off we are going to look silly.

Clee Red

1.) 18 Aug 2017 08:19:54
Let's hope that won't be the case. I am sure the board is working for at least 2 more incomings.

2.) 18 Aug 2017 08:45:45
Lets examine that statement. City are after signing Jonny Evans, a die hard Man United fan who is at best a journeyman footballer, he wouldn't want to play for us and we shouldn't be looking at him as a starting centre back. West Brom will be going for Kevin Wimmer, who didn't at all look a top class centre back last season. Spurs haven't signed anyone yet but are looking at Davison Sanchez who is very over rated. Chelsea signed Rudiger who I don't really rate personally as he is a bit Djimi Traore on the ball. Southampton are after that Dutch lad from Lazio, who isn't particularly good in the air or dominant and they have signed an unknown Polish lad. I would contend that none of those players would improve our starting 11.

{Ed001's Note - Evans, to be fair, was very good at United, he just suffered so many injuries they gave up on him. It is purely his fitness that is the issue with him.}

3.) 18 Aug 2017 09:03:22
Lindelof wouldn't improve Tranmere mate! And who's this fella Spurs are signing? Hopefully this transfer window has shown we are done taking chances on average players and going hard after our first choice targets. Imagine if we'd turned our attention to Johnny Evans?! It would be carnage on this site!

4.) 18 Aug 2017 09:24:34
we could always go for Jonny Evans then and beat Man City to the punch.

5.) 18 Aug 2017 09:46:07
I actually think Evans is a decent defender.

6.) 18 Aug 2017 09:55:32
Would signing Evans cause more carnage than signing no one.

7.) 18 Aug 2017 10:48:22
Clee I honestly think he would!

8.) 18 Aug 2017 11:06:04
OP, your post is illogical. Mr Dennis responded to it, remarkably.



17 Aug 2017 08:39:13
Evans to city looks like they understand the vvd situation and moved on.

Clee Red

1.) 17 Aug 2017 08:57:10
My initial thought was they were struggling for the home grown quota and also needed a CB so they thought why not do both.

If they need homegrown players I'll happily sit on the sidelines for 20k a week!

2.) 17 Aug 2017 09:01:15
They don't have much left! They have crossed the limits and are looking to sign Sanchez as well.

3.) 17 Aug 2017 09:10:58
VVD will end up at Chelsea if he moves anywhere.

4.) 17 Aug 2017 09:14:43
In what sense is Evans home grown?

{Ed002's Note - In every sense. Evans is home grown.}

5.) 17 Aug 2017 09:31:41
Mr Dennis are actually Dennis Wise? You seem very keen for VVD to sign for Chelsea 😂.

6.) 17 Aug 2017 10:32:03
City probably want some homegrown players in the squad, hence the Evans interest. let's be honest, he won't start many games just like Delph, Roberts, Sinclair who all wasted precious years at City. Kompany and Stones will still be their first choice CB pairing and when/ if Kompany gets injured, City will do a Liverpool in defending.

7.) 17 Aug 2017 10:54:10
Ings n things, It is just logical that Southampton are very very annoyed with the way that we acted, they now have a centre back who will not play for them and Chelsea are said to be in for VVD (Notwithstanding the social media post stating that he was in London yesterday that was quickly deleted) and if they make a bid that Southampton think is too good to turn down he will go there, we will have zero say in the matter. I personally think because of the way we have acted hell would freeze over before Southampton would consider selling to us, to think otherwise is just self deluding.

8.) 17 Aug 2017 12:39:07
The second poster refers to the home grown quota, Evans is Irish and does not qualify for the home grown quota, being neither English or Welsh.

9.) 17 Aug 2017 13:13:27
Northern Ireland?




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16 Aug 2017 14:09:20
In macca we trust.

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09 Aug 2017 18:40:51
Any info you give macca is greatly appreciated

If you say it's back on its back on. 👌🏻.

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19 Jul 2017 10:12:13
There's 6/ 7 players moving out and we've added 2/ 3

There must be some hope of getting our main targets over the line or are we waiting for them to put requests in and force the move

I haven't seem much else to suggest we have other targets but I trust JK.

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19 Jul 2017 09:38:28
Time to move on to other targets.

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Posted a few weeks ago
Liverpool offer ridiculous low price
Player becomes unsettled
Liverpool mess about with transfer for a couple of weeks
Man City offer £60 million
Player goes to Man City.

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14 Jan 2018 19:09:29
Totally agree Andy you just always know we will concede with a lack of concentration
A keeper would be great in the summer but I hope we've got a replacement for coutinho lined up this window.

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07 Jan 2018 20:37:40
So has Danny Simpson ask carra.

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07 Jan 2018 20:32:14
Good player in a poor team

Explain to me why no one else has come in for him when he's clearly for sale.

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28 Dec 2017 09:52:11
Whoever plays alongside VVD will improve he's a leader and will organise others, a general at the back and something that's been missing for years.
I think another C/ B will arrive in the summer or Gomez to switch over.

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22 Oct 2017 19:16:06
You’ve got my vote mate.

Clee Red