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26 Mar 2017 22:19:53
Hey ed, a question about a youth transfer - saw a rumour we are tracking Mikkel Duelund from the cold shores. Any chance he will be joining the Academy?

Drigan

{Ed001's Note - no idea. Very difficult to keep track of kids.}


 

 

02 Aug 2016 12:03:39
Hey ed02, hope you are having a good day! I remember that you mentioned a while ago that Kolasinac of Schalke was amongst the players scouted for LB. Have you heard anything new on this front recently?
Cheers!

Drigan

{Ed002's Note - There is nothing new in respect of Liverpool.}


 

 

22 Apr 2016 12:40:01
Reading in my local press that Udinese have confirmed that Ziellinski is monitored by several clubs, Liverpool amongst them.

Drigan

1.) 22 Apr 2016 21:59:08
Looks like a solid player, I'm always a little sceptical of players coming to the premier league from serie a though, our recent history doing this isn't great. That said he has some pace so maybe able to adapt to klopps game and the PL quickly. They seem to be making our supposed interest public to drive up the price though, and if he comes in as well as grujic surely this may hinder the progress of brannagan, rossiter if he stays, Stewart, Allan. And where does Joe Allen fit in? Iv always been a critic of his but kudos where due he's been playing well when called upon under Klopp.


 

 

08 Mar 2016 10:15:04
Hey ed, since there do exist some (unreliable, fabricated, untrustworthy) news reports linking us with Kevin Volland, could you say whether he will be available in the summer and which clubs are tracking him?

Drigan

{Ed001's Note - if someone offers enough he would be available. He is a player Klopp likes, hence the stories.}


1.) 08 Mar 2016 14:15:35
A player you rate ed?

{Ed001's Note - when I have seen him, mostly he has impressed, yes.}


2.) 08 Mar 2016 14:19:30
Don't you think Ings and Volland are similar players though? Both diagonal runners and good finishers.


3.) 08 Mar 2016 15:22:43
Would be a smart addition IMO, a proven goalscorer from out wide with pace to burn.


4.) 08 Mar 2016 15:58:01
Yes and he proved he worked well with firminho.


5.) 09 Mar 2016 03:15:54
I don't think Volland and Ings are all that similar. Volland, I think, more technical, probably greater pace, and often plays on the wing.

Ings plays up top, decent technically, but most importantly a lot of drive, desire. Very hard worker, like Milner.


6.) 09 Mar 2016 04:52:21
Agree red planet, Ings is a hard working striker with a poachers instinct, Volland is a pacy winger who can also score goals. Would be a challenger to Milner, Llalana and Coutinho's spots but adds a different skill set to all those three. Closest thing we'd have to him is Markovic, Ibe or Ojo when are all still yet to prove they can step up (although I have faith in all 3)


7.) 09 Mar 2016 07:49:16
Only ever seen him play at International U21 level where he has been great, but then so has Ilori.


8.) 09 Mar 2016 10:22:12
Ings has pace.


9.) 10 Mar 2016 00:43:47
zimbo: totally agree. Volland also has the versatility to play up top, as well, which is not a bad thing given that Benteke is likely gone, and the rest of our strikers seems to be injured often.


10.) 10 Mar 2016 01:06:42
If Volland is that good, might as well go for him right, Ed?

{Ed001's Note - only if we need him, which would mean offloading some first.}


 

 

28 Jan 2016 12:13:51
Hey eds rumoured interest in young polish midfielder Piotr Zielinski, have you heard anything about him? Sort-of "we are interested, but will bring him in during the summer if at all" type of rumour. Sounds plausible, though I do not see how he fits in with Grujic coming unless a massive clearout in CM is on the cards.

Drigan

{Ed002's Note - Manchester City had a sustained interest in Piotr Zielinski but Udinese didn't want to sell him and over the summer they stepped back from their pursuit of him. Certainly he will not be moving in January but a number of clubs have looked at him including Brighton, Napoli, Roma, Auxerre, Young Boys and Bayer Leverkusen. I am not aware of LIverpool showing an interest but they may have done.}


1.) 28 Jan 2016 14:06:21
I don't like the last couple of January transfers windows esept tthe January we brought suares and sturradge in that January great stuff we have bourght grujic sent back on loan to red star done the same in the summer for origi bourght him and loans him back to lille we have loans caulker to the end of the season I think I remember a deal going n and and on and on till after 11pm when January window closed and confirmed he was not coming konoplayanka but I think this time there is a chance Alex texria could still sign for us I love liverpool football club ynwa well done getting to finlql.


2.) 28 Jan 2016 15:41:32
How do you spell grujic right and sturridge wrong 😂.


3.) 28 Jan 2016 15:47:08
We need midfielders, our present crop just aren't good enough, so yes a clear out is needed. Hendo, Can, Rossiter and Brannigan are worth keeping as squad players, but realistically none of them should be in our first choice XI, a couple more additions (+ Grujic) are needed. so let's hope this Polish guy is up to it.


4.) 28 Jan 2016 15:59:46
Hendo and can have been working fine and the other 2 are kids. How can you say they aren't good enough but for squad players?


5.) 28 Jan 2016 16:25:48
What you on about WooltonRed? None of our midfield is good enough? what's wrong with Henderson? Can is better than a squad player. And you rate Grujic higher than Milner and Lucas? Tell me about all the games you've seen him play in.

Fickle fans. We're not some super power any more that can go out and sign Pogba and James Rodriguez.

Just because they're foreign and sound flash doesn't mean they're the new hope.


6.) 28 Jan 2016 16:53:35
Not good at spelling I will be honest not one of my strong pouints as long as people know what I mean lol ynwa.


7.) 28 Jan 2016 17:28:29
Before we continue to slate our midfield remember they are having to work harder because we are weak upfront and shocking at the back. If we can strengthen in these areas then then the midfield can be freed to play. Yes there are better players out there but we don't have CL and are not tempting for ambitious youngsters. let's look at the real weaknesses first and then upgrade other areas later.


8.) 28 Jan 2016 17:38:33
Can may finish up a first team CM but needs a lot of work and maturing. Far too prone to stupid errors and lapses in concentration, especially when we're defending. We need Hendo for his drive, desire and he loves LFC, we need a bit of that. Yes I agree our midfield still needs a lot of work. Personally I hope the rumours come off regarding us buying Xhaka in the summer. His steel and strength is what's currently missing in my opinion. Yes he picks up a lot of cards but so did Mascherano and he was the last CDM we had of quality and we never replaced him properly.


9.) 28 Jan 2016 17:42:54
Nice defence of midfield by slating the defence and the attack.


10.) 28 Jan 2016 17:56:26
Why is everybody crying because there is criticism of the midfield? He is right, they aren't good enough. We have good players in Can, Milner, Hendo, Lucas and Allen, but they are not world beaters. Rose tinted spectacles.


11.) 28 Jan 2016 18:18:03
I think it's been a really dull transfer window all round.


12.) 28 Jan 2016 21:24:18
I will slate the defence and attack. We are leaking goals mainly from set pieces and we are not scoring goals. Yet we can retain possession and create numerous chances in every match. It is obvious to anyone that a commanding CB or pair of CB's is needed along with a 20 goal a season, fully fit striker. The current squad is not unfixable but leave the midfield alone. Sort that out in the summer or next summer.


13.) 28 Jan 2016 22:21:53
Oh please, what is it with people on this website and over-glorifying our players? Can is CERTAINLY NOT better than a squad player- Emre Can would not make it into any midfield in the top 5. Despite his age and bla bla bla, if you can't see the huge flaws in his game then you need to take those rose-tinted glasses off. He is extremely inconsistent, and has heaps of issues to iron out, hence why he is only squad-player quality. Stop bloody crying and throwing your toys just because some people don't rate certain Liverpool players.

Go and watch Emre Can play a few games, find how many meaningful contributions he made in each match, and then come back.


14.) 29 Jan 2016 00:26:30
Thing about our midfielder is? Pace well the lack of it. Lucas and emre aren't fast enough for prem, were has hendo and millner will run all day, but still lack that extra bit of pace that would make them world class, still 2 top midfielders though. Think Allen has that little pace injection more then any of them, surprised klopp hasn't used him more in a 3 with hendo and milner either side, anyhow my point being that we should always thrive to be better and midfielder players with that extra pace would surely improve us. Is Allen getting sold in summer u think?


 

 

 

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28 Mar 2017 10:35:12
Hey ed01, a question for you: do you see Klopp's system evolving into the next season?
Let me elaborate. I have to admit that his switch to a kinda, sorta 4-3-3 this season caught me by surprise, mostly because of the way he changed Lallana's role and integrated Wijnaldum, whom I initially though would turn out to be an overly expensive sub for Mane (shows what I know, eh? ) .

Now then, our first choice front three have proven to be a match for anyone in the league, and to an extent the midfield can make similar boasts. However, it is expected that we will be bringing a left winger and perhaps a forward to replace Sturridge.

They might simply take a rotational role, especially during the initial acclimatization, but let us say for argument's sake that someone proves exceptionally good and breaks into the first team (or, worse case scenario, is forsed into it due to "promises") . How would you expect the system to change, and whom of our starting eleven would you drop to the bench?

A highly subjective question, of course, because noone can know what is happening in that mysterious mind of Klopp's :>.

Drigan

{Ed001's Note - Klopp has always evolved his system gradually. He used to favour two holding mids, now he uses a system which does not even feature one, in essence. I expect him to continue to evolve his tactics gradually to suit the players he has at his disposal.}


1.) 28 Mar 2017 14:15:39
11 outfield players then 😄.


 

 

22 Mar 2017 09:34:57
Hey ed01, I caught a fairly intiguing discussion between ed007 and united fans on their page (while browsing for ed02's gospel) - it was about youth players, how rarely they make it in big clubs, and that usually this is due to them not being of the necessary level.
It saddened me a little, because my sincere hope is that Liverpool will manage to integrate some of the academy graduates into the squad - and not only in the short term. However, reality does seem to point that most youth players from big clubs need to make a move to less sunny pastures to make progress as regulars, and then and only then SOME of them might make it in a bigger club.

With that in mind, would care to make a prognosis - an objective one, without the rose tint of fan glasses - about which of our youth players we will be seeing in Liverpool colors in 3 or 4 years time?
Of course, this is with the view that A LOT of things will change as they develop, so let us base it on the current level they are showing.

Sadly, I have a suspicion that the cold realities of football will push a lot of the kids out of the door - in most cases for their own good. If I have to be realistic, it is only TAA that I see as having a shot of taking a starting or rotational role in the long term.
Of course, I do hope that I would be wrong, because I am already a fan of Ben Woodburn, and do hope that Ojo OR Wilson will also manage to claim a rotation role (sadly, I do not see both of them making it) . Joe Gomez, also huge hopes he will make it, though CB is one of the most merciless positions in terms of youth chances - at least at the top levels.

Drigan

{Ed001's Note - it is nothing to do with ability, he was quite simply massively wide of the mark. Ability is never the key factor, there has always been hundreds of players with more than enough ability spread around club academies. The issue is that ability is not the main factor.

You have attitude. Most players fall down here, they give up because they don't see a route into the first team and they have had everything too easy up to then. The first hurdle will often kill off a player who just hasn't got the right fire. Sometimes it can be the opposite, that they waltz into the first team too easily and strut around thinking they have made it, so they stop working as hard, without even realising it most of the time. Attitude is the most cruicial thing though.

There is physique as well. We still have the idiotic notion in some places about size of players being more important than ability. So big lumps with no ability or lightning fast players with a terrible first touch get into the team ahead of a player with genuine touch and skill but little pace or size.

Then there is the problem of short-termism. Every manager knows they are only as good as their last result, so do not want to take a risk on developing a youth team player when they will not reap the benefits. They would rather put in a readymade player. Which also goes hand in hand with luck. Young players need luck, a forced sale or injury crisis, to get a proper chance to show what they can do. That often does not come along for them.

The academies themselves are a big part of the problem, in my opinion, as they hand everything on a plate to youngsters. That is why so many fall at the first hurdle, they have no idea how to cope with setbacks or having to earn something.}


1.) 22 Mar 2017 10:26:36
I really like the sound of Pepjin Linders though.

He has recently praised Woodburn and Arnold even referencing how much emphasis is put on size nowadays, but that these 2 debunk the myth that stature matters.

I am not sure how much Linders had to do with it but I also like that our academy lads are being made to take referee courses. Put the shoe on the other foot for them when they are the one getting hounded for decisions. I think we have some excellent players in the academy with the perfect attitude.

Gomez and Stewart for me are the 2 who have proven they can over come set backs and not let it phase them. Gomez's career was devastated by injury but he has come back fighting. Got himself a new long term contract and made a real impression with Klopp.

Stewart though has some real character; rejected by Tottenham, sent on loan by us as a wide/ defensive player, and then at 22/ 23 I think it was Beale put him in midfield and asked him to start the whole development process again, and he just accepted it, got on with it, and now works hard every day to learn this new role so he can make it at the top.

Restarting that development trail has probably set him back 3 years in terms of earning potential and first team readiness. Just listen to his interviews though. He is so determined to make it at the top that he would literally give up a good career at a West Brom to try and make a great career at the top.

It reminds me of the fighting mentality Henderson and Lucas have. He earned his new 4 year contract and I really hope he makes it at LFC long term.

We can only pray Arnold, Woodburn and Brewster bounce back from their first set backs as well.


2.) 22 Mar 2017 12:21:06
Great analysis, Ed. The more important issue for me is focusing more on a player's physical size and athleticism over raw skill and a great first touch. This is a fool's errand. This is how many academies not just in England fail. France has failed miserably in this regard since the 1998 World Cup, won by players who where physical monsters like Desailly, Blanc, Karembeau, Thuram and the like except Zidane who was technically gifted but still no slouch physically.

They started focusing more on physical specimens instead of raw skill and talent. This is how Griezmann was rejected by every French academy cos he was too frail and too small for them even tho, he was technically gifted and had the desire to become a professional football, to Ed's point regarding attitude. He then goes to Spain where they focus more on touch, skill, movement and now he is worth 100m.

The Dutch do the same thing which is why Dutch players have been known for their technical quality because like the Spanish, they know that they are not physical beasts naturally BUT can counter this "flaw" by being technically gifted which they are and their academies focus on that as well hence, the technically gifted players that have come out of Holland over the decades. Until academies in England learn this, they will continue to fail.


3.) 22 Mar 2017 15:30:22
Totally agree, look at Crewe a club with minuscule financial resources who give youth a chance and many of their young players have careers at a higher level - their managers are encouraged to give young players time and opportunities. I wish clubs would focus more on player development but it seems that managers are either unwilling or afraid to give young players a chance. Fans also play their part imo too, they expect 18 year olds to be fantastic on their debuts or being as consistent as 28 year olds. It's sad that young talents continue to disappear.


4.) 22 Mar 2017 16:00:20
It is a beautiful picture Thomo. sadly, I do not see it happening in the coming years. The fanbase is growing rather "toxic", as the eds say. They will be up in arms if the club is perceived to be underachieving due to giving youth a chance. However, some sort of balance should be achievable for Liverpool FC. Not all of the youth talents will break through, or even get a fair chance, but here is to hoping that in five years time, we will be singing songs for Woodburn and Trent and Joe :>.


5.) 22 Mar 2017 17:22:24
I agree with Ed on this, seems less to do with ability but more to do with
1) mental aptitude and ability to stay humble and work hard as they enter the spotlight
2) limited opportunities/ pitch time to be able to adapt to the higher level and prove yourself (especially tough ask considering how long it takes for even world class players to get back to form after time out)
3) limited appetite from PL managers to risk their careers by playing an unproven youngster on a regular basis instead of just dipping into the transfer market for a proven player
4) simple Maths. dozens of youngsters coming through each year but very very few first team spots for them to realistically challenge for

I also don't think it's helped by the notable difference in level between u23 and the PL. hard to step up without playing professional league elsewhere first, but loans are notoriously hit and miss

Eg. I personally can see Ojo, Wilson, Woodburn all having the ability to be very good PL standard forwards if they get playing time to develop properly, it's just very hard to see how you get enough pitch time for all of them when you probably only have a few games a year where Klopp is prepared to drop his regular front 3 (never mind Origi, Ings etc. also wanting to play) . how can he possibly develop all 3 without loans?

It's a tough game,


6.) 22 Mar 2017 23:10:54
Ed's points are all correct but realism has to be considered. Over the last 50 years how many great Liverpool players have come through the academy? 10, 15 maybe? Yet every year we look at the latest graduates and anoint them as future stars, we say they have to be better than player X but the reality is they don't, the worst Liverpool player is still a brilliant footballer and most graduates won't reach that level.

Every few years we can expect one or two to make the grade and we should be content with that. The sadness is the last one who was good enough thought he was bigger than the club and forced his way out. There's a chance that someone from the current crop will make it but I'll remain sceptical of that until they're in the first team.


 

 

10 Mar 2017 13:00:08
Hey ed01, when you have the time, a few questions about you:
- what is the opinion of the coaching staff about young Divok's development and potential? I see a very talanted striker in there, but he seems to have fallen a wee bit in the pecking order under the new system.
- Ben Woodburn - looks a talent, and is getting first team exposure, albeit limited, but what is his position expected to be? I believe he will thrive as a false 9 in a flexible attacking unit (sort of Firmino's position), but in the first team he has been operating on the wing, and there were some rumours that long-termly he is seen as a Lallana-esque midfielder. What are the views of the coaching staff?
- Grujic - per chance an update? He seems a real talent, but injuries hampered his season. Is a breaktrough expected next year?
- young Joe Gomez, how is his rehabilitation from the injury going? Is there a danger that he will become a forgotten man like Illori, or will there be more of a push to integrate him in the first team? I really like him and want him to make it with us - though I would prefer him to be a CB, and no experiments at the LB, after Martin Kelly I kind of lost hope with the whole "let's develop our future central defenders in the fullback role" stratagem.

Drigan

{Ed001's Note - Origi is very well liked and a lot is expected of him in the future.
A lot depends on Woodburn's physical development, nothing is set in stone yet for his future.
He will have to get games because of his work permit.
Gomez is on the bench usually mate, he is still a way off getting back to his best. He needs more time yet but he is expected to challenge for a first team place next season.}


1.) 10 Mar 2017 15:54:25
Woodburn has great potential.

He reminds me of Dalglish in his style and positioning.

So no pressure there then.


2.) 10 Mar 2017 16:28:10
Gomez has started quite a few games lately and he has been completing the full 90 so hopefully it won't be long before he's on the team. Next season I would imagine.


3.) 10 Mar 2017 17:34:38
Origi is IMO, our young Lewandowski. He showed last season before his injury that he can be simply unplayable on his day. Ask Mats Hummels. He has ALL the tolls (pace, power, aerial and dribbling abilities, physical attributes) to be a world class CF. And most of all, he is super humble, dedicated and eager to learn and succeed. It's all up to him to put it all together. As for the other two, Woodburn is still young yet very gifted and Gomez? We'll have to see if he can step up.


4.) 11 Mar 2017 08:58:42
Origi is a long way off Lewandowski's level at this moment in time mate for the simple reason he doesn't score very often. He has lots of quality attributes, no doubt about it, but clinical finishing isn't one at the moment - until he improves his goal scoring rate (and he certainly has the potential to do so) he cannot be mentioned in the same sentence as Lewandowski who's scoring rate is intimidating to say the least.


5.) 10 Mar 2017 16:45:07
If Origi is our young Lewandowski then Y are people crying out for a 20 plus goals season striker for the coming campaign 🤔.


6.) 11 Mar 2017 17:58:41
Sean's if you read my post, you will see that I never said that he was at Lewa's level cos at 21, Lewandowski was not who he is now and was barely getting games at BVB behind Barrios. He has the potential to be at Lewa's level and we have seen that potential last season. Lewa only became a beast at 24/25. Origi is 21 and has time to develop. It's up to him to put it all together.


 

 

09 Mar 2017 21:13:07
Hey ed, out of curiousity, are we still tracking Saidar Azmoun? I seem to recall there were some rumours about him.

Drigan

{Ed002's Note - Klipperty had the Klopps for him so it is possible.}


1.) 10 Mar 2017 08:32:41
lol, nicly put.


2.) 10 Mar 2017 09:46:38
Best. Response. Ever! Now I can tell my Milan-supporting mate, who would've sold his soul for Azmoun*, that Liverpool have the Klopps for him!

*if he hadn't already bartered most of it for Chinese investment, CL place and Andrea Bellotti's shadow, that is.


 

 

07 Nov 2016 10:55:29
Careful lads, we might be losing our Jurgen soon! Many people voted for him in the recent Bulgarian presidential elections ;>.

Drigan

1.) 07 Nov 2016 10:59:15
Real looking for a Manager. Bayern eventually and who knows what Barcelona or Juve are up to. Where ever he has been his front 4's are exciting.


2.) 07 Nov 2016 12:56:55
Seems like the Kopflose Hühner tactic is paying off 😎.


3.) 07 Nov 2016 16:58:39
Careful ron.


4.) 08 Nov 2016 01:34:49
He's rejected Bayern before so why would hthey ask for him again? Also, he's not interested in big money clubs and buying success so I wouldn't hold my breathe if I were any of those teams.


 

 

 

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22 Mar 2017 09:39:50
January WAS sleepy ed, I hardly saw any sun! I saw him as a more of a Dortmund-level player, so I was surprised than only Wolfsburg pushed for him, hope it will be a good stage for him though they are very inconsistent in their development as a club. Perhaps it would be time to be on the rise soon enough.

Drigan

{Ed002's Note - Wolfsburg are a very good side who have had more domestic success than Dortmund in the past three or four years.}


 

 

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22 Mar 2017 09:05:06
Hey ed, would this side issue be the still uncompleted takeover of AS Milan?

Drigan

{Ed002's Note - Yes, it is putting them in a difficult position.}


 

 

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22 Mar 2017 09:04:15
Hey ed, out of curiousity, who is the replacement?

Also, could you update us on some new talents emerging in the Bundesliga? I recalled when it was here from you when I first heard the name of Yunus Mali, I have been following him ever since and his career seems to be developing very well indeed! I am surprised he has not been connected with some of the big boys, though this might be a blessing in disguise for his development.

Drigan

{Ed002's Note - (a) Bayer Leverkusen's Omer Toprak. (b) You may have been asleep in January when Malli moved to replace Julian Draxler at Wolfsburg after they Bayern Munich, Spurs, Borussia Dortmund and Galatasaray all looked at the player.}


 

 

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17 Mar 2017 12:00:54
Wasn't Bozo Texino the son of Bozo the Clown? I remember he had a trial with our under 18s, there was a lot of noise about his potential, but his off-the-field antics with all the pies and the tiny cars scruppled his chances of a transfer, and he went back to the USA.

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15 Mar 2017 08:20:05
I think I remember him from the olden days of Football Manager. Young german striker/ attacking midfielder with a lot of potential, was considered one of the up-and-comings, though left in the shade of Timo Werner. Never seen him play in real life though, so no idea how he developed.

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25 Mar 2017 16:41:29
Indeed, wishing him a speedy recovery.

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22 Mar 2017 16:00:20
It is a beautiful picture Thomo. sadly, I do not see it happening in the coming years. The fanbase is growing rather "toxic", as the eds say. They will be up in arms if the club is perceived to be underachieving due to giving youth a chance. However, some sort of balance should be achievable for Liverpool FC. Not all of the youth talents will break through, or even get a fair chance, but here is to hoping that in five years time, we will be singing songs for Woodburn and Trent and Joe :>.

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22 Mar 2017 09:13:41
But it is FUN and we are BORED! Spring is here, the Ayres are singing in the trees, it is the time for shaking off the January lethargy, gathering the warchests, monitoring the players from random bushes, and preparing for the swoops, and the launches, and all the nice moves!

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17 Mar 2017 21:55:25
And David Moyes as a special guest-star for Gollum?

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15 Mar 2017 15:27:11
Erm, it's SportsBild. Or have I missed anything?
I mean, it's like getting a tanctrum because "Marca says Real Madrid are in advanced discussions with a chap called Messi. "

Drigan