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17 Aug 2018 23:48:46
Ed002 a question for you if I may - and bear In mind I may be getting things mixed up here.
You can sign ‘unatttached’ players any time right?
I remember you explaining something about buy out or release clauses (can’t rememvwr which) while back, where the club theoretically pays the player to pay his own clause, therefore buying him out his contract.
I’m not trying to find ways to break the rules - just curious - but if a player buys himself out his contract, he is effectively a free agent right?
What stops a club doing this outside the transfer window?


{Ed002's Note - A player who makes himself a free agent outside of a transfer window cannot be signed by another club until the next transfer window as the rules specifically require him to be a free agent before the previous transfer window closes - hence the reason why Claudio Marchisio left Juventus yesterday whilst the transfer window was still open and not today. Clubs can also only pay a player to release himself from his contract in Spain, else the money is taxable so it would be necessary to pay double.}

1.) 18 Aug 2018 10:29:24
Ah so no English team can take Marchisio as he wasn’t a free in their window?
Thanks for the reply, informative as always!

{Ed002's Note - That is not what I said.}

2.) 18 Aug 2018 11:37:05
Cracking question then Firmane and again great insight in the answer Ed002. Been following football for 36 years yet every days a school day on here.

3.) 19 Aug 2018 00:23:15
Indeed, JK23.

4.) 19 Aug 2018 08:51:46
Isn’t it more about player registration. There are 2 deadline a years, at the end of each window for players to be registered with the FA. If they are not registered by this date they cannot play for the club until the next registration window is open. The only except is free agents, who if they were a free agent at the registration deadline, they can sign and register for a club.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is as I said. It depends when he becomes a free agent. If, for example, Lazar Markovic were to come to agreement with Liverpool of October 1 that they were to end their relationship and he were to become a free agent, he cannot sign with Olympiakos until January 1 when the Greek transfer window opens. However, should Lazio decide they wish to sign Ross Turnbull, they can do so now as he was a free agent during the previous transfer window.}

5.) 19 Aug 2018 11:49:52
That is where I’m getting mixed up Ed, why can marchisio sign for English team of our window is shut, yes Markovic can’t sign for an English team? What am I missing lol.

{Ed002's Note - One is a free agent and one is contracted to Liverpool and can only be loaned.}

6.) 19 Aug 2018 20:19:44
Sorry ed, I meant in your example if Liverpool decided to end their relationship?

{Ed002's Note - He would not have been available when the transfer window was open. There is no way for Liverpool to cheat here. It is all perfectly clear.}

7.) 20 Aug 2018 00:43:42
Yet again a conspiracy against us! Not allowing us to cheat 😡.

8.) 20 Aug 2018 11:19:35
Thats a good move for Turnbull, but I hope he realises its like a foreign country over there!



13 May 2018 22:26:56
We have Keita coming and are linked with another cm. We are losing can. We have been saying for seasons we lack that bite in midfield and maybe Keita adds that, but something noticeable for me, against city and against Roma in the first legs, hendo, Milner, gini or Ox won 80% of lose balls, headers and 50/50s which WA Skye to our quick turnovers and counters for me.

I hope we don't lose that, and if we do sign another cm, I obviously hope they are a good footballer first, and suits our style, but can't help but think that physical edge would be great.
I know we have been loosely linked with Jorginho, but I don't believe he really offers that.
Are we linked with any who do?


1.) 14 May 2018 10:08:47
Do you honestly believe that Klopp would sign a midfielder who wasn't a good footballer or didn't suit our style?
Or couldn't stand up to the hurly burly of the Premiership?

2.) 14 May 2018 11:54:17
He DID sign Steven Caulker on loan at one point. lol.

3.) 14 May 2018 14:03:21
I propose a ban on the mentioning of Caulker on this site, Klopp has had an excellent record in the transfer window for us but every time someone mentions it, someone says caulker.

4.) 14 May 2018 15:16:11
Reynard, he signed him based on the opinion of someone within the club. He decided to trust this persons view and then learnt from it. That is entirely different to his view when signing a player.

5.) 14 May 2018 20:28:02
Loosen up, it's a joke (hence the "lol") . sad lack of humour on here sometimes.



02 Jan 2018 08:23:42
Lijnders left to coach in Holland. All the bed to him, always spoke of very highly by klopp, hopefully can find a good replacement!


1.) 02 Jan 2018 08:40:37
Top guy, best wishes for the future Pep.

2.) 02 Jan 2018 12:06:48
My brother in law tells me that he's a really great guy and he's wonderful to have around. Apparently he was very highly thought of at the club too so that is a big loss to us imo.



24 Dec 2017 17:20:01
Liverpool linked with dani ceballos of madrid, I assume rubbish?


{Ed002's Note - It is sort of correct. Real Madrid have given permission for Dani Ceballos' representativea to approach clubs with a view to a loan before any decision about a sale can be made. The loan will require guarantees of game time. The representatives held meetings in London with Arsenal and Liverpool and have also met Roma and Inter to see what interest there is. It is difficult to see how another central midfield player could be used by Liverpool right now, particularly one on loan, without being disruptive to the team. Inter have someone else arriving so would perhaps not be keen on what is likely to be a high loan fee. Roma I don't know. Arsenal are looking for a central midfield addition in January although there preference is for someone else on a permanent deal - but just perhaps.

Ceballos was watched by Liverpool in the days of Brendan Rodgers.}

1.) 24 Dec 2017 21:29:20
He would fit perfectly in our midfield 8 next season.

2.) 24 Dec 2017 22:56:44
Ron man you were always my favourite poster on Here, recently you been so negative! Enjoy your Christmas, enjoy the dinner, enjoy the wine and please come back to us in January the good ol' Ron because I cannot deal with your negativity!

3.) 25 Dec 2017 08:51:33
Loving the new Ron keep it up and have happy Xmas and new year.

4.) 25 Dec 2017 12:11:18
Maybe both coutinio and can are off in January ed 02. Keitas not coming till the summer so a loan could be an option. I'd prefer we just soldier on with what we've got even if the 2 do go. Llama should be ready to go soon.

5.) 26 Dec 2017 10:37:56
Guys all I did was phrase what Ed002 implied differently.

We stockpile midfielders to a pathological degree and unless we are going to play 8 at once it is totally futile.
Grujic has yet to play a game, Lallana has been injured all season, Woodburn never gets a game, Ejaria seemed to be permanent unused sub last season, Keita is coming, plenty of people plead for a new contract for Can, we’ve just signed Oxlade Chamberlain.

We need defenders!

6.) 26 Dec 2017 14:00:26
So you've named all the midfielders who don't play, not sure how they are relevant as the majority are youngsters trying to establish themselves. That leaves Hendo, wiji, Milner, lallana, can and couts (who both look like leaving) that's not quite 8. so you think him signing on loan til the end of the year would require us to play 8 midfielders? Any excuse to moan these days Ron.

7.) 27 Dec 2017 09:31:12
Agree with Ron. Only 2 of those are youngsters and his response is including the fact that every other thread is about another midfielder we're going to sign. I guess unlike some he is joining up the site as a whole not just viewing each post in isolation. Need is for some better experienced defenders that suit what the club needs. Not another 3-4 midfielders. Personally I'd rather see an out and out natural greedy finisher before see another midfielder.



31 Aug 2017 01:07:56
few rumours about Thomas muller on loan - lemar to sign next season and muller for this?!





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17 Aug 2019 20:02:28
City’s been hard done by there. Course it’s great if they drop points, and by the letter of the law it’s not a goal.

Personally hate the way it’s one rule in the box and another elsewhere. The rule states if it hits an attacking hand no matter how accidental, goals are not awarded so rightly disallowed. But how can it be if it accidentally hit a defenders arm it’s not a foul.

Obviously intent is hard to tell, but the unnatural position, like sissoko in the final is the best one for me. If it strikes your arm when they are tucked in, or blasted at close range fine, but I they are all over the place pen. That, or just any touch on the arm is a foul, full stop. With VAR that is then black and white.


1.) 18 Aug 2019 00:45:22
If it hits your arm hand ball no matter what ends all the moaning and it’s fair.

2.) 18 Aug 2019 02:19:42
Yeah it seems a harsh ruling to be fair if it goes against you. At the same time if that ball doesn't hit his arm then it doesn't fall to Jesus' feet and that goalscoring scenario doesn't occur. It will take some getting used to as does most new rules but I do see a touch of sense in it.

3.) 18 Aug 2019 05:33:31
Why is it harsh? There are numerous offences inside the box that would be punished differently if they occured outside the box. It prevents intentional fouling during a goal-scoring opportunity.

4.) 18 Aug 2019 11:30:16
Spot on, Like A Virgil. OP, why should City feel hard done by? The issue here is not VAR. It is with the dumb handball rule. That rule seems to have been set up this way to create the utter mayhem it is creating now cos IMO, there has to be some kind of controversy to help viewership numbers. That's the only reason I can think of cos it makes NO sense at all.

Also, I feel nothing for City nor their forever crying manager and fans (all 50 of them) . Why? Simple. It is due to this same team, fans and manager, who never stopped bleating on and on about how the absence of VAR robbed them of a CL vs LFC. The whined about that and VAR was put in for the CL last season and got dumped out of the CL by Spurs last season via VAR, and they still whined and bitched. Then after that VAR was put in place in the PL and They voted for it.

Now, they are crying that the rule in this case for VAR, was correctly applied. Now, Pep is saying action should be taken. To do what? Change the rule again to suit you? Sorry bro. Get over yourself, Pep. You don't get to write and rewrite the rules due to your erratic mood swings. If you don't like the handball rule in this instance, fight to change it and stop moaning as if the system (the very same one you wanted), did you dirty.

5.) 18 Aug 2019 14:19:03
I don't see the new handball rule as dumb at all, i think its the easiest way to avoid grey areas and cheating in the box. Sure, penalties will be given for truely accidental handballs but, just like an accidental foul tackle, it is still an offence even if its not intended.
What the new rule does is make it a lot simpler for the ref and VAR to identify the offence (instead of the previous ball-to-hand/ hand-to-ball confusion) .
Simply put, keep your hands out the way of the ball in the penalty area.

6.) 19 Aug 2019 02:39:16
Exactly likeAvirgil. It's not controversial at all, it removes any debate or dispute as it's a clear straight forward law. It serves each team with equal fairness. People are getting carried away simply because it was the first case and it occurred in the 93rd minute. We all know this is now a decision which will be always called fairly and correctly with zero chance of grey area handball controversy that always was an issue.



13 Aug 2019 22:50:06
Saw a post about why pep has not won the CL with city but has the league, and for me there are a few possible answers.

Firstly, for a lot of years we have said liverpool are a cup team, can’t seem to get motivated week in week out, but can for the big occasion. Are city the opposite? They can mince teams in the league, and yes maybe squad depth is a factor there. But how often do you rotate for CL knockout stages?

It’s best XI available vs best XI available. When the pressure of the big Game kicks in, they don’t seem to be able to keep a clean sheet. Furthermore, we all know city can be got at, put under pressure - in the CL you have nothing to lose and teams go for it, whereas they rarely do in the league. spurs had to go at them in that second leg to get the goal, and they forced one.

Liverpool last year went at them and blew them away in the first leg. Most teams in the league, sadly, park the bus. I think pep has his way of playing, and doesn’t change it for the big occasion, whereas he should probably think about it. Spurs again, they needed to score, but it was only 1-0, a clean sheet was just as important. I think he tactics were let’s go out and get 5.

last season, Liverpool were, let’s out score the opponent, and it worked to a degree, but it was high scoring in the city game and Roma, and cost us in the final. This season, bar Barcelona away, we conceded one to Bayern, one to Porto and none in the Barcelona home leg. Klopp clearly changed his approach now he could rely on vvd and Allison and the back five more.

Ederson is good, Laporte is good, and they’ve the option to play Fernandinho and Rodri - I don’t think their attack will be stifled ‘only’ having say sterling, aguero, silva and de Bruyne!


1.) 14 Aug 2019 04:58:09
if city had their best 11 in the first leg against spurs. They probably would have gotten to the final and anything can happen in a final. They were missing bernardo silva who i actually feel is their most important player. that tie was soo tight. its always a laugh when city get knocked out but i honestly thought they were going to be in the final. This will probably be their year unless we stop them. There is not much between us and city except the power of anfield.

2.) 14 Aug 2019 07:57:21
Barca, juve and athletic will be strong this year. It should be said that pep loves to overthink in Europe he has a nack of making wierd player choices in the games that get them knocked out.

3.) 14 Aug 2019 08:21:50
Wiseryan, I remember that first leg vs Spurs and in all honesty, Pep got his tactics and selection totally wrong. I did not say that, the City fans and pundits did. Spurs were there for the taking, IMO and even Aguero missed a penalty in that game. Pep choked and outsmarted himself in that game. Then to cap it all, Ederson made a complete blunder on the Son goal and with Spurs getting a clean sheet, it was pretty much game, set and match. In the second leg, Spurs took advantage of City's jittery defence and with Laporte making two costly mistakes, they were sitting ducks.

Also if you concede 3 goals at home in a CL second leg Q final, you simply don't deserve to go through. Hence IMO, City historically, have been failing in the CL cos of what the OP said and cos well, Pep seems to no longer have it in him to compete there anymore, which shows how panicky and undecided he is in his selections and tactics. We'll see what happens this year.

4.) 14 Aug 2019 09:11:57
I'm not sure pep knows what his first 11 are tbh and that might hinder them in the champions league? You say Bernardo Silva is there most important player but he was on then bench in their season opener so maybe that in some ways hinders their mentality. Our team pretty much picks itself except maybe cm. And the players know they're responsible and if injuries occur the guys coming in have more of a point to prove? I'm just speculating.

5.) 14 Aug 2019 13:24:49
redwolf, man city should have been capable without bernardo silva against spurs so I'm sure pep did get it wrong. For example benching de bruyne was odd. I think pep tried to be too clever because he's used to be being knocked out. He's not going to hold back next time.

6.) 14 Aug 2019 16:38:06
Wiseryan, I fully agree with you. I don't know if Pep has learned his leason cos remember, this is not the first time Pep has fluffed his lines in the CL. Vs LFC at Anfield in 17/ 18, he benched Sterling and played Gundogan on the right side. What happened? They got smashed 3-0 and only after the game was won, did he bring on Raheem.

Second leg vs us and w/ them leading 2-0 at half time with us on the rack, he puts Fernandinho at CB (instead of bringing on Kompany) and changed a back 3 to a back 4 with Laporte at LB. WTH? Can you remind me what happened then? Oh yes with a useless Otamendi and Fernandinho at CB, they were vulnerable and we scored 2 goals and won the game.

The guy seems clueless and nervous in the CL games hence, he tends to outsmart himself a lot. Will he have learnt his lesson after the last three humiliating results in the CL (lost to Monaco 6-6 on away goals, another disaster)? We shall see.



13 Aug 2019 22:21:46
Ed do you think it’s concerning that Keita keeps seeming to get niggly injuries? I know it’s only one game in but is it a fitness thing? Is he being rushed back? Seems like last season every time he looked better he was out for a couple games. seeing as we are full strength apart from him and Alisson, seems like it would be worth leaving him out for a month or so to make sure he’s 100% before returning.


{Ed001's Note - it depends on what is causing the injuries. I don't know enough about it to judge whether there is a potential long term problem or not.}



23 Jul 2019 17:58:10
Hi Ed’s, I’ve seen the European pages mentioned, how do we access a list of all the sites?


{Ed047's Note - just below the various red boxes naming each page are two drop down boxes named links to rumours sites and links to talk sites, all the pages are there Firmane.

1.) 23 Jul 2019 21:45:28
A spot on, thanks ed047! Must have scrolled past them hundreds of times!

{Ed047's Note - Your welcome mate, it’s amazing how many posters do miss them.



23 Jul 2019 17:40:12
Hi Ed’s, if you were betting men, and someone gave you a fifty quid free bet with all proceeds going to charity, who would you bet on becoming a Liverpool player by the end of this window? Excluding youth.


{Ed001's Note - I'm not a betting man so I have no idea. I would probably be on the safe side and just give the 50 nicker straight to charity personally.}

1.) 23 Jul 2019 17:59:02
Fair enough Ed’s, guess that sums up the situation really!

2.) 23 Jul 2019 18:09:29
Philip max.

3.) 24 Jul 2019 08:35:06
Philipp max is a non starter. No chance.

4.) 24 Jul 2019 10:33:41
I'd stick it on Cornet - player ticks the right boxes (price, position, age) and just makes sense as decent, young cover for both wings. I would be surprised if he didn't sign to be honest.




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13 Aug 2019 18:58:35
So it’s an obligation to buy with clauses ed? Like if he’s fit 75% of the time or something?


{Ed002's Note - It was an example. I am sure if Roma are keen enough they will look to a permanent deal.}



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13 Aug 2019 18:02:51
What is the point of a loan with obligation to buy? I assume the only benefit is to delay the payment?


{Ed002's Note - No, they could look to spread payments out. They may want assurances about fitness - like Ings.}



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13 Aug 2019 18:03:22
How is gomez CB cover? He’s first choice.




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12 Aug 2019 21:34:01
Harry swore on his daughters life that he would never play for Portsmouth!




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06 Aug 2019 21:41:17
Tottenham getting Dybala?





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15 Aug 2019 10:38:28
Have people tried to buy kante? Without hazard Chelsea are average, surely he should be competing for the big prizes?




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14 Aug 2019 23:27:12
Every time I played for my local team when they were short, I’d say yes if the manager bought my drinks after. does that count?




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12 Aug 2019 21:37:20
I think Lewis was played in midfield in the last preseason game as klopp wanted to give larouci more time at left back.




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10 Aug 2019 21:51:51
The thing I liked about Adrian is that he looked good with his feet, so we wouldn’t have to change style and can still trust him. He also got rid once too, showing he knows when to!




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10 Aug 2019 11:32:52
Origin touch and close control is actually decent, he’s trojg quick and clearly can finish. Good in the air too. He’s not as good as mane but how many left wingers are?! He scored and made a goal. doesn’t sound like a donkey ed!