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17 Aug 2018 23:48:46
Ed002 a question for you if I may - and bear In mind I may be getting things mixed up here.
You can sign ‘unatttached’ players any time right?
I remember you explaining something about buy out or release clauses (can’t rememvwr which) while back, where the club theoretically pays the player to pay his own clause, therefore buying him out his contract.
I’m not trying to find ways to break the rules - just curious - but if a player buys himself out his contract, he is effectively a free agent right?
What stops a club doing this outside the transfer window?

Firmane

{Ed002's Note - A player who makes himself a free agent outside of a transfer window cannot be signed by another club until the next transfer window as the rules specifically require him to be a free agent before the previous transfer window closes - hence the reason why Claudio Marchisio left Juventus yesterday whilst the transfer window was still open and not today. Clubs can also only pay a player to release himself from his contract in Spain, else the money is taxable so it would be necessary to pay double.}


1.) 18 Aug 2018 10:29:24
Ah so no English team can take Marchisio as he wasn’t a free in their window?
Thanks for the reply, informative as always!

{Ed002's Note - That is not what I said.}


2.) 18 Aug 2018 11:37:05
Cracking question then Firmane and again great insight in the answer Ed002. Been following football for 36 years yet every days a school day on here.


3.) 19 Aug 2018 00:23:15
Indeed, JK23.


4.) 19 Aug 2018 08:51:46
Isn’t it more about player registration. There are 2 deadline a years, at the end of each window for players to be registered with the FA. If they are not registered by this date they cannot play for the club until the next registration window is open. The only except is free agents, who if they were a free agent at the registration deadline, they can sign and register for a club.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is as I said. It depends when he becomes a free agent. If, for example, Lazar Markovic were to come to agreement with Liverpool of October 1 that they were to end their relationship and he were to become a free agent, he cannot sign with Olympiakos until January 1 when the Greek transfer window opens. However, should Lazio decide they wish to sign Ross Turnbull, they can do so now as he was a free agent during the previous transfer window.}


5.) 19 Aug 2018 11:49:52
That is where I’m getting mixed up Ed, why can marchisio sign for English team of our window is shut, yes Markovic can’t sign for an English team? What am I missing lol.

{Ed002's Note - One is a free agent and one is contracted to Liverpool and can only be loaned.}


6.) 19 Aug 2018 20:19:44
Sorry ed, I meant in your example if Liverpool decided to end their relationship?

{Ed002's Note - He would not have been available when the transfer window was open. There is no way for Liverpool to cheat here. It is all perfectly clear.}


7.) 20 Aug 2018 00:43:42
Yet again a conspiracy against us! Not allowing us to cheat 😡.


8.) 20 Aug 2018 11:19:35
Thats a good move for Turnbull, but I hope he realises its like a foreign country over there!


 

 

13 May 2018 22:26:56
We have Keita coming and are linked with another cm. We are losing can. We have been saying for seasons we lack that bite in midfield and maybe Keita adds that, but something noticeable for me, against city and against Roma in the first legs, hendo, Milner, gini or Ox won 80% of lose balls, headers and 50/50s which WA Skye to our quick turnovers and counters for me.

I hope we don't lose that, and if we do sign another cm, I obviously hope they are a good footballer first, and suits our style, but can't help but think that physical edge would be great.
I know we have been loosely linked with Jorginho, but I don't believe he really offers that.
Are we linked with any who do?

Firmane

1.) 14 May 2018 10:08:47
Do you honestly believe that Klopp would sign a midfielder who wasn't a good footballer or didn't suit our style?
Or couldn't stand up to the hurly burly of the Premiership?


2.) 14 May 2018 11:54:17
He DID sign Steven Caulker on loan at one point. lol.


3.) 14 May 2018 14:03:21
I propose a ban on the mentioning of Caulker on this site, Klopp has had an excellent record in the transfer window for us but every time someone mentions it, someone says caulker.


4.) 14 May 2018 15:16:11
Reynard, he signed him based on the opinion of someone within the club. He decided to trust this persons view and then learnt from it. That is entirely different to his view when signing a player.


5.) 14 May 2018 20:28:02
Loosen up, it's a joke (hence the "lol") . sad lack of humour on here sometimes.


 

 

02 Jan 2018 08:23:42
Lijnders left to coach in Holland. All the bed to him, always spoke of very highly by klopp, hopefully can find a good replacement!

Firmane

1.) 02 Jan 2018 08:40:37
Top guy, best wishes for the future Pep.


2.) 02 Jan 2018 12:06:48
My brother in law tells me that he's a really great guy and he's wonderful to have around. Apparently he was very highly thought of at the club too so that is a big loss to us imo.


 

 

24 Dec 2017 17:20:01
Liverpool linked with dani ceballos of madrid, I assume rubbish?

Firmane

{Ed002's Note - It is sort of correct. Real Madrid have given permission for Dani Ceballos' representativea to approach clubs with a view to a loan before any decision about a sale can be made. The loan will require guarantees of game time. The representatives held meetings in London with Arsenal and Liverpool and have also met Roma and Inter to see what interest there is. It is difficult to see how another central midfield player could be used by Liverpool right now, particularly one on loan, without being disruptive to the team. Inter have someone else arriving so would perhaps not be keen on what is likely to be a high loan fee. Roma I don't know. Arsenal are looking for a central midfield addition in January although there preference is for someone else on a permanent deal - but just perhaps.

Ceballos was watched by Liverpool in the days of Brendan Rodgers.}


1.) 24 Dec 2017 21:29:20
He would fit perfectly in our midfield 8 next season.


2.) 24 Dec 2017 22:56:44
Ron man you were always my favourite poster on Here, recently you been so negative! Enjoy your Christmas, enjoy the dinner, enjoy the wine and please come back to us in January the good ol' Ron because I cannot deal with your negativity!


3.) 25 Dec 2017 08:51:33
Loving the new Ron keep it up and have happy Xmas and new year.


4.) 25 Dec 2017 12:11:18
Maybe both coutinio and can are off in January ed 02. Keitas not coming till the summer so a loan could be an option. I'd prefer we just soldier on with what we've got even if the 2 do go. Llama should be ready to go soon.


5.) 26 Dec 2017 10:37:56
Guys all I did was phrase what Ed002 implied differently.

We stockpile midfielders to a pathological degree and unless we are going to play 8 at once it is totally futile.
Grujic has yet to play a game, Lallana has been injured all season, Woodburn never gets a game, Ejaria seemed to be permanent unused sub last season, Keita is coming, plenty of people plead for a new contract for Can, we’ve just signed Oxlade Chamberlain.

We need defenders!


6.) 26 Dec 2017 14:00:26
So you've named all the midfielders who don't play, not sure how they are relevant as the majority are youngsters trying to establish themselves. That leaves Hendo, wiji, Milner, lallana, can and couts (who both look like leaving) that's not quite 8. so you think him signing on loan til the end of the year would require us to play 8 midfielders? Any excuse to moan these days Ron.


7.) 27 Dec 2017 09:31:12
Agree with Ron. Only 2 of those are youngsters and his response is including the fact that every other thread is about another midfielder we're going to sign. I guess unlike some he is joining up the site as a whole not just viewing each post in isolation. Need is for some better experienced defenders that suit what the club needs. Not another 3-4 midfielders. Personally I'd rather see an out and out natural greedy finisher before see another midfielder.


 

 

31 Aug 2017 01:07:56
few rumours about Thomas muller on loan - lemar to sign next season and muller for this?!

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12 Nov 2019 18:27:28
Just watched that Inside Anfield short film on YouTube. I’m quite amazed the teams on arrive an hour and ten before the game and do 30 mins warm up. I assume they would do briefing elsewhere beforehand, but it doesn’t seem long, our local team turn up an hour before.

Do they do other warm ups at melwood or something, again I assume they will meet early for food and tactics like I mentioned.

Firmane

1.) 12 Nov 2019 18:51:23
They stay at a hotel in town the night before and presumably have their briefings in one of the meeting rooms there, then it’s the bus straight to the ground as far as I know.


2.) 12 Nov 2019 20:58:39
You can warm up too much. THe sports science nerds will have got the pre-game prep down to an art by now.


3.) 12 Nov 2019 21:39:06
Yeah I’m sure you can, but I’d still expect more than half an hour with getting warm stretching and ball work.


4.) 13 Nov 2019 05:41:39
It seems to be working for them, I'd trust the scientists on this one.


5.) 13 Nov 2019 08:37:24
Train smarter not harder!


 

 

31 Oct 2019 18:31:59
Reports saying we’re discussing the possibility of playing one team in the carabao cup on the same day the other is in Qatar playing the club World Cup! Can that be done?

I assume first team squad go to Qatar and the rest play villa. I know we have little option, but I’d love us the chance to rest a few in one of the club World Cup games, maybe like mane bobby Elliot one game, origi salah and Brewster the other. id like to see Brewster and Elliot playing with our quality to see what they can bring.

Firmane

{Ed002's Note - Of course it can be done. You are making this a far bigger issue than it is. The club needs to suck it up, have the club secretary work with the authorities in England and satisfy sponsors to compete elsewhere.}


1.) 31 Oct 2019 23:41:17
Spot on, Ed02. I don't see a prob with it cos the kids for the most part, were going to be playing in it anyway so nothing changes, IMO. N btw, playing these multiple comps. is the byproduct of being successful and winning trophies esp. Ol' Big Ears so as Ed02 said, suck it up and move on.


2.) 01 Nov 2019 08:55:16
ed002 so what about the manager does he manage one game then fly over to manage the other game next day with a 7 hour flight in between. Ed my be you can tell another team that has to play 2 competitive game in less the 24 Hours. if not so why do we move league games for FA cups games play one Saturday one sunday all the clubs can suck it up. As for playing the kids there has been a good mix on youth and experience just playing all the kids we will go out so what is the point this is a quarter final now and am sure Klopp would be putting a stronger team in to it if not for the club world cup.

{Ed002's Note - If Klopp is such a flake that he is not up to it, the assistant manager or one of the authorised coaches can do one game. Back in the 60’s all Division 1 sides would play back to back fixtures at Christmas.


3.) 01 Nov 2019 09:33:49
I can’t see us splitting the squad and I saw the report too, from the daily mirror, need we say anymore about this crappy tabloid!

Whilst the trip to Qatar really is an unwanted disruption, the one positive is that it will be warm which could benefit the players?

We’ll certainly have a better idea how all of this effects club come mid to end jan, after all, it was this period where we lost our grip last season.

Like I say, maybe the warm weather will benefit the players.


4.) 01 Nov 2019 11:03:49
If I had to choose which game to win I would prefer the CWC over the Carabou. Just my opinion and 2 games to get another trophy. Decent looking 🏆 also lol.


5.) 01 Nov 2019 12:08:26
Personally I think we should just withdraw from the Carabao cup. It sounds as if the PL are being pretty inflexible on fixture moves from what I've read today and I guess we can't withdraw from the CWC without getting slapped by FIFA.


6.) 01 Nov 2019 12:11:47
CWC above the energy drink cup any day!
U only get to play the CwC if u win the UCL so why would u ignore that competition? Plus we have never won it before.
The league cup is always there to be won every season.


7.) 01 Nov 2019 12:46:22
We aren't living in the 1960's anymore, the game has moved on massively.


8.) 01 Nov 2019 12:54:15
Why should we have to send a team of kids to be slaughtered at Villa Park? and believe me that's what will happen. the authorities knew when the quarter finals and the world club championship would be and decided to do nothing, or did they not expect the European champions to be able to navigate a couple of rounds of the carabao? i'd rather see us wait it out till January and play it then when we would be able to send a team with a fighting chance to villa park with the likes of Lovren, Shaquiri hopefully being able to be added to a squad like d other night.


9.) 02 Nov 2019 12:37:30
The authorities have changed fixtures before when teams have been partaking in the Club World Cup - why have they not done the same this year when they knew we would be competing in the Club World Cup? Is this 'winter break' a mitigating factor in this, or are the authorities just incompetent?

I take your point about teams playing back to back games in the 60's Ed but, with all due respect, this isn't the 60's and there really should be more thought and organization from the authorities - isn't that why they exist, in order to prepare for and avoid problems such as these? Just seems to be very amateurish from the authorities and, if Liverpool do as you suggest (suck it up), means us sending entire squad of kiddies to Villa Park - likely ending in defeat, whilst the senior squad jet off to Qatar. Doesn't quite seem fair - other footballing authorities in other countries seem able to avoid such problems, why do the English ones struggle so.

{Ed002's Note - Which authorities are you talking about? In the history of the competition only three English sides have completed in it. You need to get over the obsession that Liverpool are being hard done by - the club has more than enough players to play both games - just suck it up and move on.}


 

 

30 Oct 2019 23:31:52
It’s actually quite funny scrolling through the match posts after the game. Everyone’s getting slated, game over after 30 mins, may as well just tell the opposition we’re throwing the cup. some people! I reckon we should have started a full strength 11, especially bearing in mind we have two games a week until the end of the year now (and one more to fit in somewhere! ) (and a trip to the club World Cup)

Firmane

1.) 30 Oct 2019 23:58:08
It was a strange game. Some of the poorest players on the pitch ended up producing the business. Thought origins as dreadful most of the game and comes up with 2 goals. ox was poor and scored an absolute screamer. Gomez started poor but improved second half. Even Milner didn't have a good game. Thought Lallana was terrible Keita poor and off with another injury and that's the players that should be fighting to get into the first team. Haven't seen much of the youngsters before but Williams impressed. As did Jones when he came on. If we had of gone out I certainly wouldn't have wished that we had put out a stronger team. I think it's a great opportunity for players to get important match experience. The only disappointing thing for me. Is I didn't walk away thinking that any one player tonight deserves a place in our starting 11. Another win and we keep marching on.


2.) 31 Oct 2019 00:03:52
I'm honestly happy we've persevered with the youngsters in the competition, tonight has been a good lesson for all of them. Kelleher could have done better with most of their goals - despite that he comes away having contributed significantly to our progression in the competition. Part of the idea is to give them experience, tonight you'd argue that Ar.


3.) 31 Oct 2019 00:05:12
Posted before I'd finished, sorry. I was going to say you could argue that arsenal deserved it, but we still won. I think that in itself could be beneficial for all of the younger players.


4.) 31 Oct 2019 00:42:42
considering that the gunners put out a strong team and a strong bench, I didn't think we would win this game, boy I was wrong, some great and late goals, ha yes another late late goal, tomorrows draw will be interesting
City will get the easy draw, Oxford, lucky lucky,
we will get Everton or Leicester for sure, unlucky.


5.) 31 Oct 2019 05:59:09
Learning curve and some time under the belt, what impressed the most was a not giving up mentality .


6.) 31 Oct 2019 07:37:38
Bring any of them on, who cares who we get, we're Liverpool and we're capable of beating anybody. If we went and got Oxford there's no guarantee we'd win. Same goes for City. I'm hoping we get Everton.

People are quick to forget we're champions of Europe. Believe.


7.) 31 Oct 2019 17:47:42
You knew City and United would get the easy teams.

{Ed047's Note - I don’t think Colchester United will have it that easy mate.

It’s a potential banana skin for them! 😉


8.) 01 Nov 2019 12:41:23
Had me in stitches there, Ed047.


 

 

16 Oct 2019 19:45:01
Pogba and de gea out for the weekend apparently.

A weak side, even weaker, Liverpool undefeated in the league, this has got a united win written all over it.

Firmane

1.) 16 Oct 2019 20:25:38
I really hope we don't jinx it, and we should treat them respect and be professional, get the 3 pts required!


2.) 16 Oct 2019 20:32:58
The back up keeper ain't too shabby, known our luck he will play a blinder and it ends 0-0.


3.) 16 Oct 2019 20:53:58
Most likely they will have Martial back, who is much more useful than Pogba.


4.) 16 Oct 2019 21:52:00
Let's be honest, them two not playing really isn't much of a loss going on this season so far. I don't expect an absolute slamming but I think we'll beat them comfortably. They aren't playing for th emanager and when we beat them he'll get the tin tack.


5.) 16 Oct 2019 21:52:40
It’s almost nothing to lose for united now. Obviously there is pride, but without their best player, pogba, and being so down, they are probably going in with the attitude of massive underdogs.


6.) 17 Oct 2019 07:06:27
For goodness sake, I can’t beleive the fear on these pages! I’m not saying we’re nailed on to win but our form, their form and injury troubles should strengthen confidence, not weaken it.

All this nothing to lose b@llocks. Ask yourselves if they were full strength and we’re missing Allison, Fabinho and Mane, would Utd fans be more worried about playing us or fancy their chances?


7.) 17 Oct 2019 08:08:57
United fans would still be worried, as they are still awful.


8.) 17 Oct 2019 08:38:06
Exactly so why so much fear in people’s posts? If we play to our level, it will be an absolute mauling. The only question is whether we will be at our best. Us not being is the only way Utd get any form of result.


9.) 17 Oct 2019 09:43:34
I'd be more worried if they had Mourinho or van gaal at the steering wheel to be honest. I think Ole is too naive to play a game plan that will get a positive result against us. But it all depends if we execute too.


10.) 17 Oct 2019 21:16:18
Ole will park the bus just like he did last season and Mou before him hoping for a point or just nick a win off a set piece or on the break. That much we can anticipate. As long as we play up to our immense capabilities then we should get the three points.

I just have this feeling (happens all the time before we go to OT) where strange things just happen. In 2014, we had enuff chances to score 3 goals YET Utd score 3 and we lose 3-0. 2 seasons ago, we completely batter them and had 3 solid penalty calls denied and lose 2-1. On the other hand, we get THREE penalties at OT of all places and we win 3-0 (could have been 5). Strange things, man.


11.) 18 Oct 2019 06:37:29
Alot of things were different 4 years ago RW, look at our team and success now and compare it to Utd's. No comparison, I agree strange things do happen there but let's not make it too complicated, it's football, we have the better team, they are crap atm and we'll beat them. People are worrying for nothing.


 

 

13 Oct 2019 19:14:20
Ed001 a question for you if a may?

Andy Robertson. Before we signed him, he wasn’t exactly tipped for greatness, was playing Scottish third division in the not too distant past. Now he is one of the best full backs in the world. So my question is, what’s caused the dramatic improvement for him, Was it klopp and Liverpool? Appreciate the way we play suits him (probably most attacking full backs actually) to a T, so that probably a factor either way. But would his attitude and quality be noticed if he didn’t come then, or do you think he would be still flirting around the championship?

Firmane

{Ed001's Note - part of it was that Celtic dumped him for being too small, so he had to prove people wrong. As it never came easy, he had drive and determination and a desire to improve himself. Then there is the coaches who have been able to help him improve. I think he would always have ended up in the Prem, but he would not have reached the level he did by going elsewhere.}


1.) 13 Oct 2019 21:25:17
Certain players will blossom in the right environment and Robertson at Liverpool under klopp is the perfect match. A full back like him can only stand out to a certain level in a team like Hull. Regularly defending out of possession and much less freedom to attack and with sub standard forwards to feed he could only do so much. Credit to our recruitment that we saw what he could offer in a team like us. If mourinho had signed him for his boring United team we would not see the same player.

I also wonder what would have become of Henderson if he had left us for Fulham after his first season. Would his great attitude and desire have seen him get back to a top club and lift a European cup as captain. Or could he easily have struggled to fit in a weaker sides system and potentially have a championship level career. Jonjo shelvey looked the more complete midfielder at that age but was never a fit for Liverpool and his career hasn't really kicked on. If roy hodgson had signed Robertson and klopp signed konchesky I wonder what the outcome would have been😂.

{Ed025's Note - klopp is the reason andy looks so good har, he makes players play to the top of their game mate, lets be honest anyone who can make hendo look like a decent player is a miracle worker.. :)


2.) 13 Oct 2019 21:55:32
Many players have been rejected due to being undersized regardless of their talent. Two players come to mind here: Griezmann and Dries Mertens. Griezmann was rejected at every academy in France due to his small size. He never gave up on his dream of being a professional footballer so he tried his luck in Spain where as we all know, size does not matter and the rest is history.

Dries Mertens was the same. He had to go to Holland to make his name and as we know today, he is a beast of a player, capable of playing anywhere upfront and on the verge of breaking Napoli's all time goalscoring total held by, you guessed it, "El Diez" Diego Maradona. For me, size should never matter in football or any sport cos it is a form of prejudice.


3.) 13 Oct 2019 23:05:07
Its not prejudice any more than basketball is prejudiced. Its a physical game and there's more chance of being knocked off the ball if you are smaller and less chance of compering for headers. there's plenty of exceptional smaller players who use their low centre of gravity to their advantage but the majority of clubs seem to prefer a bit of height and power as part of a players skill set.


4.) 14 Oct 2019 00:44:44
I remember Robertson at Dundee United who were playing in the SPL then . He did stick out especially as he'd only be a teenager at the time so the natural ability was there . Klopp has definitely coached him to the player we see today but Robertson himself has to be given credit for this, drive, attitude and ambition belong to him . He also seems very close to Milner who is the ultimate role model for any professional.


5.) 14 Oct 2019 09:49:15
Lol leave Hendo alone Ed025 for at least a month mate. I challenge you not to mention him lol.

{Ed025's Note - i have actually not mentioned hendo for a while virgil, i know how much you all like him so i respect all your views, but when he is donning the england shirt then he is fair game as are any players who under perform, and in particular keane and pickford who should not be anywhere near the national side imo mate..


6.) 14 Oct 2019 11:13:04
Who would you start over Keane and Pickford for England Ed0025? Personally I'd go Henderson or Heaton at GK with Stones and Maguire CB. When Stones is out then I'd happily put on my rent tinted specs and say Joe Gomez even though he hasn't been playing much because the rest are just not good enough.

{Ed025's Note - to be honest taurus i dont think maguire and keane works because neither of them are quick enough, stones and gomez are not playing regularly so they are not really in the frame at the moment so tyrone mings deserves a shot i think, he has really surprised me how good he has been for villa this season, so maybe him and maguire could be the best of a bad bunch mate, pickford is an accident waiting to happen and i have seen vampires who are less scared of crosses than him, heaton is not a bad shout but to be fair i dont think there are many good english goalies about..


7.) 14 Oct 2019 14:11:34
Just a big shame Butland never reached his potential. for me if no injuries he wouldhave been Englands No1 for a decade.


8.) 14 Oct 2019 12:52:31
Mings should get a try I think. Players should be picked on form not by merit in my opinion.

Yeah there are no stand out goalkeepers in English football right now.

Are there any Eds who remind you of a vampire Ed0025?

{Ed025's Note - most of them are very pale and dont eat a lot of garlic taurus, and ED002 can be very biting with his answers at times but thats no reflection on the good work that they do mate.. :)


9.) 14 Oct 2019 18:25:59
Like A Virgil, I am not sure that basketball is the best analogy. Since the basket is over 8 ft tall, you need some kind of height to be able to play the game even in the position. For example, I am 6 foot 2/ 3' (played a bit in high school) and I am just about tall enuff to play the smallest position in basketball which is the Point Guard position. Steph Curry (a Point Guard) looks small amongst giants but trust me, he is not a small guy. A Point Guard is about 6ft 3'/ 4', which is a pretty tall for a regular guy.

Either way, I fully agree with you that in football at least, height should not be a barrier esp. in positions like FB, no. 10 or out wide where we know players of smallish stature can get it done.


 

 

 

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13 Nov 2019 23:18:37
He seems like he would be a wise investment even if we purchased him now and had some well thought out loans for him.

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10 Nov 2019 23:29:07
Wouldn’t even want him on a free, technically gifted yes, but soft and goes missing in big moments.

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25 Oct 2019 19:19:24
Read between the lines mate, ed said not half a billion, so it must be more! Mbappe Sancho haivertz is just the start!

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16 Oct 2019 19:45:36
I’d say Lallana, Milner got another year in him.

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13 Oct 2019 14:57:48
He’s been playing in midfield for Bayern too mind.

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12 Nov 2019 21:39:06
Yeah I’m sure you can, but I’d still expect more than half an hour with getting warm stretching and ball work.

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12 Nov 2019 13:18:11
Are you comparing Dalglish and souness to mcginn and frasier?

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12 Nov 2019 00:38:50
Thanks ed! Completely agree with the handball part, but leads me to think it should have been stopped at the Trent arm for a free kick to Liverpool.

Also, they say you can’t gain an advantage with your arm and score from it - considering it was 22 seconds later in surprised they didn’t use that as a reason to disallow the goal!

Firmane

{Ed001's Note - that was probably why it took so long, as they were combing the rulebooks to see if they could find a reason to disallow it.}


 

 

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10 Nov 2019 23:32:48
Oblak has played behind a very defensive team for years, Allison plays behind vvd?

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10 Nov 2019 23:30:45
Also they had sterling and de Bruyne on the left, who were more dangerous than gundogan and silva who were pretty pocketed.

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