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26 Jan 2020 23:36:46
I hope we don’t just go under 23s in the replay. It’s clear matip and Lovren need games, they looked welll off the pace - it’s the perfect time for them. I said before Adrian deserves another game, as I doubt he will get another all going well. There’s a big difference between a few fringe players and the best of the young guns, versus full under 23s. If I were Elliot, Jones, Williams or chiravella I’d be hoping to get a game for one, but I’d be hoping to have the best chance of winning it. I’d want another game after it.

From the squad today, maybe leave out salah Firmio, ox, fabinho and bring in a few others - but what If shaqiri is fit by then - has barely played im sure he’d be grateful for the minutes - origi too, Minamino barely played in months before joining us.

I’m happy to give youth a fair go at it in the cups, but the word there is fair - give them a helping Hand.


1.) 27 Jan 2020 05:02:44
I agree, just keep pretty much the same players bar Fabinho in midfield, replace him with Lallana and I think we’re good. I’m sure the players would rather stay in the competition than not, it’s a highly competitive match anyway unless we just drop like we did today, at Anfield we should have more than enough to get the job done with the same team. I understand Klopp a frustration but it’s our fault we couldn’t get past a league 1 side, we knew beforehand that they do replays so it’s our fault. I hope this does inspire the FA to make the necessary changes to the FA cup and league cup, but these competitions are for the smaller clubs in England, the world can’t revolve around the big teams who have billions of pounds of investment to be able to cope with fixture congestion, it’s not right either way but it affects the clubs at the highest level and that’s like 5% of the clubs that enter the competitions in the first place. A winter break gets put in place when we haven’t had that before and still room for complaints, Klopp needs to be careful going at war with the FA, we know how corrupt they are and they might just stiff Liverpool over in the future. Klopp is known for not whining as highlighted by Mourinho last season, but that seems to be changing now that he’s at the pinnacle of football in England. Get the job done in the replay, if he fields the same team as vs Aston Villa he can do nothing about his reputation of not taking the domestic cups seriously.

2.) 27 Jan 2020 07:30:59
For the senior lads coming back from injury I think a hot weather break could be good for them, but lads like elliot, Jones, neco ect. Even origi and minamino will be knocking on his door desperate to play in that game, see how it pans out but I reckon those players would rather start a competitive game at anfield than go on holiday, could be wrong though, I don't know any of them personally.

3.) 27 Jan 2020 07:45:05
Looks like all u23s. If I was fab, Matip, lovren I'd be begging for a another chance. they've had all the rest they need and owe the kids after that performance.

4.) 27 Jan 2020 07:45:51
I agree. Matip Lovren Fabinho Minamino All looked short of being match ready especially at a higher level. Then you have the likes of Lallana Keita Milner Shaq (if fit) all need game time. Would be a shame if we ended up getting knocked out with such a good chance to go through.

5.) 27 Jan 2020 08:51:56
I agree but unfortunately some of the players may have booked breaks away etc and from what klopp is saying he dosent want to make them change plans.

6.) 27 Jan 2020 09:32:12
ed001 I thought Fabinho Matip lovren and Minamino where awful yesterday. And it did not look like they needed a week and I think after putting in a performance like that you would hope they would want to make things right am sure Henderson would. Also with Naby just coming back and my be even Milner there is a lot of player coming back that could do with the minutes to get back to full speed. ed I would like to know your thoughts on the winter break I all ways think when we have had a week off we never look the same in the first game back.

{Ed001's Note - I agree with you, the players need games to get sharp, not a winter break. If they need a rest then give them time off training. The winter break is a nonsense idea. Half the time we end up with bad weather breaking up the season at some point anyway. To work, the break needs to be longer than 2 weeks to make sense but even that is pointless as the teams who have one spend most of it doing a mini pre-season anyway.

What is needed is a proper summer break for all players, to ensure they get the chance to switch off and relax. A mid-season break does not allow the players to do so, any more than just having the games less crammed together during the season would do and teams giving the players a day or more off training every so often.}

7.) 27 Jan 2020 10:47:21
ed001 I could not agree more, to make time I think its time the carabao cup has to go, Are season start to early I feel the start of the carabao cup has something to do with that as the second round starts before most other leagues start. Then you have Klopp and all the other managers moaning, But every year the clubs travel all over the world on preseason tours. Then there is all the international tournaments that seem to be every summer now. If the carabao cup went we could bring the fa cup forward use a few of there dates for early midweek leagues Fixtures Because end of December to end of January is just to much. My be make Boxing day fixture the Fa cup 3rd round that would bring a bit of magic back to the Fa cup with it being such an iconic date for football.

{Ed001's Note - personally I don't think getting rid of the League Cup is the answer. Why that and not all those pre-season contests?}

8.) 27 Jan 2020 11:22:06
for me ed the league cup most of the time its just full of the kids who most of them will not make it and they don't expect them to make it. Even the lower league teams make changes for it. But I do think all the preseason stuff needs to go and they all so need to sort out all the international fixtures when you play 1 friendly and 1 qualifier all them silly friendly's with 11 subs just a waste of time. But I think its just Money driving the game and it just looks like instead of going the right way we are going the other way and will just end up with more games with the champions league and the club world cup getting bigger.

{Ed001's Note - the simplest way would be to remove mid-season internationals and just have two separate seasons. One for internationals and one for club competitions. Then it won't be so stop-start.}

9.) 27 Jan 2020 13:49:46
I agree with that one ed1, I'm also of the opinion to make the season shorter by cutting out internationals.
Then have a 6 week international period once the season is completed.

Its better for internationals as they can actually train together for a sustained period, the players are picked over a season rather than 10 good games. I also think people would pay more attention to them, at the minute they are seen as a needless distraction.

I do get it's not that simple as different countries run their seasons at different points due to weather etc.

As for preseason I would love it to go back to predominantly playing english teams (not prem teams) but won't happen as there is too much money in pointless pre season trophies.

{Ed001's Note - the international game is suffering because teams don't get to work together as well, so it makes no sense to continue as it is. The Brazilian World Cup team of 1970 spent months together before the tournament as a team, that is why they were so good.}

10.) 27 Jan 2020 15:29:49
I hope some day soon the international game becomes an U23 game like the Olympics (even if it is unofficial I. e. a few elite players resign setting off a chain of resignations from international football) . I can't see what elite footballers get out of playing international footy. People will still go out to watch international footy whether it be Harry Kane or Calvert Lewin.

11.) 27 Jan 2020 15:54:53
I think Eds and posters should look at what has really happened here rather than pointing the finger at Klopp and LFC. In June 2018 (no, that’s not a typo, 2018) the Premier League, the Football Association and the English Football League issued a joint announcement about a PL mid-season break to be introduced in February 2020. As part of that announcement, the FA chief executive stated :

"Today’s announcement proves that football can come together for the good of the game. We have also found a way to give the players a much needed mid-season break, whilst keeping the much-loved Christmas schedule in place. As we head into summer international tournaments in the future we are sure that this mid-season break will prove to be a valuable addition for our players. "

So the FA, fully supportive of the PL mid-season break, had 20 months to arrange the FA Cup 2019/ 20 calendar so that the mid-season break was respected. And they failed. So let’s lay off Klopp and LFC please guys.

12.) 28 Jan 2020 00:49:59
WW, i agree 100 per cent, I can't believe that some LFC fans are not fully behind Klopp and the owners,
the FA have, after nearly two years brought in this winter break, aimed at giving the players a much needed rest, and were told Not to play or arrange any matches during this period . Klopp is fully on board, he can see his players def need a break,
in fact, we usually see some injuries around the christmas period due to playing too many games close together, Vardy and Kane even Mane come to mind,
Klopp is protecting his players, believe in Klopp .

13.) 28 Jan 2020 02:31:47
Get League cup and FA cup replays sloshed. Play the 1 game and decide winner. now I would debate the venue to be pre fixed either as lower ranked team venue so they get sort of home adv or the higher placed venue so that they earn some cash.

Scrap international friendlies mid season. So this reduces the season by few weeks.

Arrange the NFL games and euro qualifiers during summer.

14.) 30 Jan 2020 23:09:20
Yeah, the FA replay games need to go. That will help.

Play full 90 and then straight to penalties. Scrap this replay nonsense.



17 Aug 2018 23:48:46
Ed002 a question for you if I may - and bear In mind I may be getting things mixed up here.
You can sign ‘unatttached’ players any time right?
I remember you explaining something about buy out or release clauses (can’t rememvwr which) while back, where the club theoretically pays the player to pay his own clause, therefore buying him out his contract.
I’m not trying to find ways to break the rules - just curious - but if a player buys himself out his contract, he is effectively a free agent right?
What stops a club doing this outside the transfer window?


{Ed002's Note - A player who makes himself a free agent outside of a transfer window cannot be signed by another club until the next transfer window as the rules specifically require him to be a free agent before the previous transfer window closes - hence the reason why Claudio Marchisio left Juventus yesterday whilst the transfer window was still open and not today. Clubs can also only pay a player to release himself from his contract in Spain, else the money is taxable so it would be necessary to pay double.}

1.) 18 Aug 2018 10:29:24
Ah so no English team can take Marchisio as he wasn’t a free in their window?
Thanks for the reply, informative as always!

{Ed002's Note - That is not what I said.}

2.) 18 Aug 2018 11:37:05
Cracking question then Firmane and again great insight in the answer Ed002. Been following football for 36 years yet every days a school day on here.

3.) 19 Aug 2018 00:23:15
Indeed, JK23.

4.) 19 Aug 2018 08:51:46
Isn’t it more about player registration. There are 2 deadline a years, at the end of each window for players to be registered with the FA. If they are not registered by this date they cannot play for the club until the next registration window is open. The only except is free agents, who if they were a free agent at the registration deadline, they can sign and register for a club.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is as I said. It depends when he becomes a free agent. If, for example, Lazar Markovic were to come to agreement with Liverpool of October 1 that they were to end their relationship and he were to become a free agent, he cannot sign with Olympiakos until January 1 when the Greek transfer window opens. However, should Lazio decide they wish to sign Ross Turnbull, they can do so now as he was a free agent during the previous transfer window.}

5.) 19 Aug 2018 11:49:52
That is where I’m getting mixed up Ed, why can marchisio sign for English team of our window is shut, yes Markovic can’t sign for an English team? What am I missing lol.

{Ed002's Note - One is a free agent and one is contracted to Liverpool and can only be loaned.}

6.) 19 Aug 2018 20:19:44
Sorry ed, I meant in your example if Liverpool decided to end their relationship?

{Ed002's Note - He would not have been available when the transfer window was open. There is no way for Liverpool to cheat here. It is all perfectly clear.}

7.) 20 Aug 2018 00:43:42
Yet again a conspiracy against us! Not allowing us to cheat 😡.

8.) 20 Aug 2018 11:19:35
Thats a good move for Turnbull, but I hope he realises its like a foreign country over there!



13 May 2018 22:26:56
We have Keita coming and are linked with another cm. We are losing can. We have been saying for seasons we lack that bite in midfield and maybe Keita adds that, but something noticeable for me, against city and against Roma in the first legs, hendo, Milner, gini or Ox won 80% of lose balls, headers and 50/50s which WA Skye to our quick turnovers and counters for me.

I hope we don't lose that, and if we do sign another cm, I obviously hope they are a good footballer first, and suits our style, but can't help but think that physical edge would be great.
I know we have been loosely linked with Jorginho, but I don't believe he really offers that.
Are we linked with any who do?


1.) 14 May 2018 10:08:47
Do you honestly believe that Klopp would sign a midfielder who wasn't a good footballer or didn't suit our style?
Or couldn't stand up to the hurly burly of the Premiership?

2.) 14 May 2018 11:54:17
He DID sign Steven Caulker on loan at one point. lol.

3.) 14 May 2018 14:03:21
I propose a ban on the mentioning of Caulker on this site, Klopp has had an excellent record in the transfer window for us but every time someone mentions it, someone says caulker.

4.) 14 May 2018 15:16:11
Reynard, he signed him based on the opinion of someone within the club. He decided to trust this persons view and then learnt from it. That is entirely different to his view when signing a player.

5.) 14 May 2018 20:28:02
Loosen up, it's a joke (hence the "lol") . sad lack of humour on here sometimes.



02 Jan 2018 08:23:42
Lijnders left to coach in Holland. All the bed to him, always spoke of very highly by klopp, hopefully can find a good replacement!


1.) 02 Jan 2018 08:40:37
Top guy, best wishes for the future Pep.

2.) 02 Jan 2018 12:06:48
My brother in law tells me that he's a really great guy and he's wonderful to have around. Apparently he was very highly thought of at the club too so that is a big loss to us imo.



24 Dec 2017 17:20:01
Liverpool linked with dani ceballos of madrid, I assume rubbish?


{Ed002's Note - It is sort of correct. Real Madrid have given permission for Dani Ceballos' representativea to approach clubs with a view to a loan before any decision about a sale can be made. The loan will require guarantees of game time. The representatives held meetings in London with Arsenal and Liverpool and have also met Roma and Inter to see what interest there is. It is difficult to see how another central midfield player could be used by Liverpool right now, particularly one on loan, without being disruptive to the team. Inter have someone else arriving so would perhaps not be keen on what is likely to be a high loan fee. Roma I don't know. Arsenal are looking for a central midfield addition in January although there preference is for someone else on a permanent deal - but just perhaps.

Ceballos was watched by Liverpool in the days of Brendan Rodgers.}

1.) 24 Dec 2017 21:29:20
He would fit perfectly in our midfield 8 next season.

2.) 24 Dec 2017 22:56:44
Ron man you were always my favourite poster on Here, recently you been so negative! Enjoy your Christmas, enjoy the dinner, enjoy the wine and please come back to us in January the good ol' Ron because I cannot deal with your negativity!

3.) 25 Dec 2017 08:51:33
Loving the new Ron keep it up and have happy Xmas and new year.

4.) 25 Dec 2017 12:11:18
Maybe both coutinio and can are off in January ed 02. Keitas not coming till the summer so a loan could be an option. I'd prefer we just soldier on with what we've got even if the 2 do go. Llama should be ready to go soon.

5.) 26 Dec 2017 10:37:56
Guys all I did was phrase what Ed002 implied differently.

We stockpile midfielders to a pathological degree and unless we are going to play 8 at once it is totally futile.
Grujic has yet to play a game, Lallana has been injured all season, Woodburn never gets a game, Ejaria seemed to be permanent unused sub last season, Keita is coming, plenty of people plead for a new contract for Can, we’ve just signed Oxlade Chamberlain.

We need defenders!

6.) 26 Dec 2017 14:00:26
So you've named all the midfielders who don't play, not sure how they are relevant as the majority are youngsters trying to establish themselves. That leaves Hendo, wiji, Milner, lallana, can and couts (who both look like leaving) that's not quite 8. so you think him signing on loan til the end of the year would require us to play 8 midfielders? Any excuse to moan these days Ron.

7.) 27 Dec 2017 09:31:12
Agree with Ron. Only 2 of those are youngsters and his response is including the fact that every other thread is about another midfielder we're going to sign. I guess unlike some he is joining up the site as a whole not just viewing each post in isolation. Need is for some better experienced defenders that suit what the club needs. Not another 3-4 midfielders. Personally I'd rather see an out and out natural greedy finisher before see another midfielder.




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29 Feb 2020 21:23:10
Oh well, these things happen. Not a good day, and it’s the first time in a long long time it’s hurt us. All I can say is what an incredible run it has been, and it had to come to an end eventually. Let’s just look to bounce back.

Atletico is a huge game for me now, I’d worry our season would fizzle out if we get knocked out the CL, with the league all but done. We need this to keep everyone on the ball and focussed.

We go again!


1.) 01 Mar 2020 00:14:52
Not a popular opinion, but I want the FA cup. It might not mean much to the managers these days, but I think we should go full tilt at it.



19 Feb 2020 21:33:39
One thing I do remember from last night, I thought that Lodi looks like he could be a top left back. Looks quick and strong and I’m sure he will learn the defensive side with Atletico - and put some fantastic balls in.




07 Feb 2020 08:26:58
Hi Ed’s and reds, I don’t recall seeing one, but did anyone do a match review for the Shrewsbury game? Would be an interesting read?


{Ed001's Note - I really haven't had time mate. The problem is that we play pretty much the same way no matter what team we point out, so there is not a lot really new to say about our team, even when it is the kids out there. Shrewsbury were so passive and, frankly, embarrassing, that it would basically end up a long dig at Sam Ricketts for his inability to do the basics. I mean it was such a simple job to send his team out fired up, Klopp had given him the ammunition to use by not being there, but he couldn't even do that. Incompetence at its finest.}

1.) 07 Feb 2020 12:04:04
A few thoughts

- agree with Ed, was surprised how little Shrewsbury came out to play
- having said that, we passed the ball and controlled possession incredibly well and they couldn’t get near us
- Chirivella In particular managed the game from midfield like a real midfield general, and the way he celebrated at the end gives me real hope he might yet make it at the highest level. exceptionally composed on the ball but showed a bit of grit too
- Jones and Elliott always looked dangerous on the ball upfront however we somehow struggled to really create the killer finish (apart from one huge opportunity that was from Elliott the Nico Williams but was very well saved) . those two really are looking ready to step up though
- most pleasing of all was defence was excellent too with Sepp and Hoever far more composed than they’ve been in previous matches, and dealt really well with anything lumped forward (as well as on the corners which I was a bit worried about beforehand)
- fullbacks were excellent in defence and also in getting forward but just unlucky in the final third (got into good positions but the crosses tended to come in a little low)

Overall Shrewsbury were completely outclassed for most of the game, and the only place we looked like an u23 team was how we seemed to lack the experience and ruthlessness required in the final third. A bit more experience upfront and it could easily have been 3 nil or more.

2.) 07 Feb 2020 16:49:37
SGRed, that is a good, accurate report. One thing I would add is that Shrewsbury tried to bully the Liverpool boys with an unnecessarily physical approach. Shrewsbury were penalised 14 times for fouls against just 1 foul awarded against Liverpool but the young Liverpool players just refused to be bullied.

3.) 07 Feb 2020 21:38:58
When the nutmeg from Jones happened and he got instantly donked in the face I nearly threw my phone. Can't believe he didn't get carded for that. Curtis and Harvey look destined for long careers, Neco and Pedro are ready and I have high hopes for Sepp and Ki Jana. They may need to go on loan to get regular football, especially with our strength in depth, but we have some amazing kids at our disposal. Oldest player was 22!



26 Jan 2020 17:00:26
Saw a star that we have gone from the 3rd worst throw in retention in the PL, to the second best in Europe - behind midttylland, the team gronnemark (throw in coach) has also been working with.

At the time many laughed, but that’s a huge turn around, and whilst you can’t say for sure we owe a lot to it, it clearly hasn’t hurt. Small margins!


1.) 26 Jan 2020 19:05:50
That’s quite interesting, I was wondering recently actually about the throw in coach we hired and if it had made any difference.

2.) 26 Jan 2020 19:38:37
Just have to sort out the ridiculous kick off routine now. For a possession based team to kick it long straight from the off is baffling.

3.) 26 Jan 2020 20:39:52
Gordy, that made me laugh. We never win one of those long balls from the kick off do we? Do we need a kick off coach?

4.) 26 Jan 2020 21:26:42
The kick off annoys me too, almost as much as listening to Steve Nicol ridicule us having a throw in coach, the guy is so past it.



24 Jan 2020 12:02:32
Anyone at the game yesterday? Was it particularly windy? Seemed Allison misjudged a few high balls.


1.) 24 Jan 2020 12:31:12
It was incredibly misty. One he misjudged the other he was clearly fouled and the ref gave the decision our way.

2.) 24 Jan 2020 13:52:06
We won, he conceded one. That's all I'm bothered about, he did great.

3.) 24 Jan 2020 18:13:23
Yeah he made some great saves. Great performance.

4.) 24 Jan 2020 18:38:19
Sorry *good performance.




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11 Mar 2020 22:55:47
Ed with Coutinho, do you see that as something klopp would consider?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sold on the idea, but take today’s game, ball falls edge of the box, I’d back Coutinho over most of our players. If he’s got the ten role, with Fabinho and hendo behind, license to roam, he is creative, he can produce magic and we haven’t got anyone quite like that.


{Ed002's Note - I am sure it is something that might be discussed. I am not sure it would happen.}



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23 Feb 2020 00:15:36
Ed002, I really don’t mean this as a dig, just like your thoughts.

It’s often said klopp used to have the problem of not making subs, and it was suggested that he didn’t trust the bench. Now he does make subs, as he trusts them more. In my eyes, he doesn’t rotate the front three much as he knows there’s a huge drop in quality.

Also, we have hendo, fab, ox, gini Keita and Milner in the middle. That’s 6 players of very similar level who all seem relatively happy with their playing time. You could make a case for any of them starting next week - except hendo is out. If Fabinho doesn’t start, are we going to saying that we have 50 million on the bench? I don’t think so. However, if Mané salah and bobby are fit they will start Monday. If we had an option like Werner, he would be in contention to start, not just a bench warmer. If we have 50 games in the CL fa cup and prem next year, that’s 150 games for the front three players. Basically 35-40 starts a year per player. I’m sure klopp would do that now, if he had that quality. Most other teams in the champions league do it?


{Ed002's Note - Maybe Klopp will opt to screw with the tactics and randomly move with players around.}



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08 Feb 2020 18:38:28
Adrian seems happy, and has been reliable. I’d keep him for another 2/ 3 years at least.




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02 Feb 2020 19:07:58
I believe we will buy an attacking player with real quality as an option to rotate across the front. Salah mane and firmino play when fit really I’m sure they won’t mind a rotation. Adds proper competition for places. We need to compete on all fronts next season too, city have two top level strikers and 4 wingers, sterling silva mahrez and when sane is fit. I know we can’t complete with that money side, but we can easily accommodate 4 top level forward players, and allow minamino and origi to make up the other two - I reckon shaq will leave.




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13 Jan 2020 12:41:18
Never see him play, but at 16/ 17 does seem like he would be better off getting regular games at Birmingham for now.





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03 Mar 2020 23:01:41
Ed the main problem with the cam would be having to see you lot.


{Ed001's Note - well yes because it would make you all feel inadequate by comparison, so I apologise in advance for that.}



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02 Mar 2020 22:57:11
Not saying Werner but someone like him would be class. Can add real quality, push the front three for a place and can play across the line seemlessly. There is no need to suggest he would be a bench player. Bobby could even drop into ten.

I don’t think we would go for Werner though, surely the noise problem would be worse at Anfield than it is at RBL and that must affect his communication wearing ear plugs.




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18 Feb 2020 18:55:57
Improvements for me would purely be competition for places.




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18 Feb 2020 08:02:42
That Barcelona thing is crazy! They have messi and greizeman fit, and they are allowed to take a player from another la Liga team who won’t be able to replace them. They have fati as well as a load of youth players, sergi Roberto has played right wing before.


{Ed001's Note - yeah it is clearly a rule being abused. In the English league, only a goalkeeper can be replaced due to injuries, but that is because it is such a specialised position. Though I personally think they should just scrap the windows and then this wouldn't matter.}



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16 Feb 2020 10:23:50
The thing with Keita for me is that fine he was poor, but he did not stop looking for the ball, and moving us forward. His passes weren’t the best, but it was the right idea, just executed badly. If next week, one comes off, it’s a goal.


{Ed025's Note - lets be honest here firmane...he was bloody awful and has been since he arrived, just tell the truth mate..