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10 Jan 2018 00:50:51
Im para phrasing here but danny murphy has basically said that keita is another jordan henderson and adds no creativity or power as he puts it to midfield.

I have limited experience of keita but from what i have seen he is nothing like henderson, my question really is what exactly will keita bring to the team and is murphy correct in his assessment.

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1.) 10 Jan 2018 01:09:12
Danny Murphy is far from the brightest, to be honest. It is clear that he has never actually seen Keita play before because Henderson and Keita have very different styles.

Henderson is about breaking up play, pressing with regularity whether it is the 5th minute or 90th. He is also a decent passer of the ball, although I do agree that often his passes go backwards or sideways (Usually due to a lack of options but at times he does seem to hesitate on the ball and by then the chance to play the ball has gone. )

Keita is very capable on the ball, from what I have seen dribbling whether in tight spaces or open ones are his main strength. Keita is a difficult player to get off the ball, he can wriggle away from mounting pressure and use his pace to leave you in the dirt. He is hard working too, but from what I have seen his passing is lacking. He tends to play the short or simple pass, he never looks to play long passes or creative ones unless he has no other options, and, when he does, the pass is often overhit. I have watched a fair bit of German football and these are just a few things I have noticed. Keita is a very good player with the potential to be a main stay in the team for years to come. However, there are areas of his game he needs to work on and, with Klopp at the helm, I suspect you will see improvements over time.

Oh, also, as has become apparent this season, Keita seems to have lost his more competitive edge in matches. He does not resemble the man of last season who had a very serious case for being one of the top players in Germany. This year Keita looks disinterested, doesn't put a great deal of effort when tracking back to his position. I suspect this is because his head is already at Liverpool and he does not want to be in RBL. Not the best mentality but it is just my suspicion and not actual fact.

I hope this helps, I am lucky to watch a fair bit of German football and thought I would share my opinion on the two. As I said, Keita and Henderson are nothing alike and Danny Murphy needs to actually do his homework rather than spout absolute nonsense.


2.) 10 Jan 2018 01:17:24
Murphy is talking absolute bollocks. Keita will be the main "driver" of our midfield, picking up the ball from deep. He will be relied upon to be our main creative outlet from midfield whilst also contributing to defence, pressing of opposition etc. Keita is very very talented with an energy that perhaps can match that of Ngolo Kante. Ignore Murphy, he is the complete opposite to what Henderson has sadly become for us, Keita is a dynamo with the ability to play incisive one touch football or score from 30+ yards. Keita will be, and already is to some extent, special.


3.) 10 Jan 2018 01:34:27
He is the engine that drives the machine much like Kante.


4.) 10 Jan 2018 01:58:10
Are u serius lad? U listen to that AH? He's worse than Trump

U can find analysis of Keita's game on Youtube. There's one worth watching. After reading and watching several analysis I can conclude that he's the player we are missing in our midfield. He has a great engine, can carry the ball, likes to dribble and waltz through the midfield and if there's no better option he continues and attacks the defence, makes space for a shot and usually ends up scoring from the edge of the box. It doesn't work everytime as u can imagine.

He uses his dribbling quality and speed to that (little bit like Mane but better in terms of dribbling) . The other thing he does frequently is through balls, he always tries them and more often than not succeeds (prefers short passes so can't judge him on long passes) . He also intercepts very well as he has the ability to read the plays and also uses his speed to do that. Tackles when needed but can be reckless at times (like Dele Ali) . Not sure if I can judge his defensive work like getting back in time during opposition attacks, defending set pieces, following instructions.

Anyway, he's not a CDM neither an AM. He's really box to box with creativity, assists and goals in him. So, he's exactly the player we are missing in midfield as Can, Henderson and Gini aren't good enough or have zero creativity against EUROLINES/

Hope that helps.


5.) 10 Jan 2018 03:09:20
Danny never was the brightest.


6.) 10 Jan 2018 03:22:10
The only assessment here to be made is of Danny Murphy's mental state. Even a YouTube highlight reel will show Keita is nothing like Henderson in style of play. Keita is pacy, energetic and drives the ball from midfield to attack in no time at all. He is everything Hendo should have been.


7.) 10 Jan 2018 03:28:05
Murphy is a pundit who used to play football but has little to no knowledge of the game as a whole and who is paid to make statements that stir debate - take his guff with a pinch of salt.


8.) 10 Jan 2018 08:43:14
Thanks lads, i suspected he was sprouting for click bait. I too think keita can be something special with the right guidance. Not quite a gerrard replacement but gerrardesque in terms of box to box ability. Hopefully he regains his drive when he joins in the summer.


9.) 10 Jan 2018 08:48:26
I'm not an expert on football. I don't know how anywhere near as much as most people. But one thing I can tell you for certain - Danny Murphy as a pundit is a waste of oxygen, a man who spouts pseudo-controversial nonsense because he knows it will get him and his publications mentions and that he has absolutely nothing of greater value to add.


10.) 10 Jan 2018 09:16:10
My God listen to you all. He had an opinion and its the wrong one, but he's a good pundit, is actually very sharp and knowledgable, and had a cracking career here, we cluld definitely do with him now as he's twice the player can is. Show a little respect.


11.) 10 Jan 2018 09:58:05
Murphy clearly doesn’t watch any football outside of the premier league.


12.) 10 Jan 2018 11:08:08
"Keita isn't as creative as Mascherano"
"Keita is like Henderson"
"Liverpool need a 20+ goal striker" (ignores Salah's 17 goal tally)

He has lost the plot.


13.) 10 Jan 2018 11:10:16
ChampMan it's not just one bad opinion but three, and they are all baffling.


14.) 10 Jan 2018 12:25:25
From what I've seen which is admittedly limited, he's been nothing special to watch, being rather badly disciplined and hasn't shone in their team. That is purely what i've seen of the 5 or 6 games I've tuned into.

Is he actually as good as everyone on here seems to think? Honest question as I haven't watched him week in week out. Anyone on here watch the Bundesliga regularly?


15.) 10 Jan 2018 15:01:04
DeanW, I can gurantee you that Keita is special. He is much better than our current midfield options. Keita had the likes of Barca, Arsenal, Bayern all interested in his signature. Whilst this season he has been rash and not quite hit the performances of last year (which was a very high bar anyway) he is still young, cleanly doesn't want to be at Leipzig (which is not an excuse) and to be honest still has put in some great games this season. In short, I wouldn't worry.

{Ed025's Note - hes quality mate..


16.) 10 Jan 2018 15:29:23
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24 Apr 2017 10:54:08
With the papers now saying real will target coutinho to replace modric how likely are we to keep hold of him this summer especially with Barcelona also waiting in the wings.

I doubt he will stay especially if we miss out on top 4 which is a real possibility if the players do not wake up and smell the opportunity in front of them. They should be super focussed and switched on at this stage of the season considering the prize at the end of it.

No doubt you are all as frustrated as me at the result yesterday but realistically what could klopp have done about it. Aside from those that started who else could he have brought in aside from the kids.

The only thing i could queation is If either of our centre backs were not 100% he maybe should have considered Gomez instead of playing injured defenders. But if you go out on the field you are able to play to even that's not an excuse.

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1.) 24 Apr 2017 12:39:15
The 'papers' and you clearly haven't seen Modric or Real play for some time. He hasn't played as an attacking midfielder or a winger, the two areas Coutinho plays, since 2010. If Real want him, he'd be replacing James Rodriguez, Bale or Isco - not Modric.


2.) 24 Apr 2017 15:20:16
Well if they are selling and modric and replacing him with coutinho then maybe there happy with casmerio and kross in the centre and will add a new number 10.

Or thag coutinho could play alsongside one of them like everyone on here has suggested. (Playing in our cm)

{Ed002's Note - People need to get out of the mindset of like-for-like replacements.}


 

 

 

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14 Jan 2018 20:06:35
Big big shout out to our match winner ed01 and his Christmas lights which are not coming down until after the champions league final. 😉.

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{Ed001's Note - they are staying up until the day we lose, so hopefully they will never come down ever.}


1.) 14 Jan 2018 20:16:35
Week on Monday Ed001. Swansea away is most defiantly a banana skin : (.

{Ed001's Note - I hope not.}


2.) 14 Jan 2018 20:42:43
Ed001 how great was firmino today mate? can't wait until he learns how to finish! ( 17 goals and counting) one of his best displays in a Liverpool shirt imo.

{Ed001's Note - obviously it was a fluke all 17 times ;-)


3.) 14 Jan 2018 20:53:36
such a calm and cool chip. Bobby makes us tick up front, I'd be signing him long term too. Such a wonderful player.


4.) 14 Jan 2018 21:35:38
I hope not many people appreciate bobbys efforts every game because we need him forever. Anyone who understands football will see what he does! I watched the game with 2 curt fans in a pub, sadly bit in the city anymore so can’t go but they didn’t get begat he does, which is his secret weapon! He’s the best in world at what he does! World class.


5.) 14 Jan 2018 20:57:18
In Ed01's prematch preview, Ed018 predicted 4-4. I thought, "what's s/ he thinking? ", then Ilkay scored for 4-3 and I was wondering if s/ he was a prophet.
Thank God we held on for the win. Onwards and Upwards.

{Ed018's Note - I had a hunch it was gonna be a shootout. Thought at first I had it right with Aguero’s header at the end of the match}


6.) 15 Jan 2018 03:16:19
Wait til he scores 1 that changes the outcome of a game, it's ok scoring the 4th in a 4-0 win. Oh! 🤔 my bad. 🤣.


 

 

13 Jan 2018 12:17:19
I can't quite make my mind up how to feel about the game on sunday. One minute i feel we have enough to beat city and get revenge for the 5-0.

But then i remember we sold our most creative player and salah our best player will most likely not be 100% fit. My heart says we can win but my head says city will be too strong on this occasion.

Plus the effect of losing such an influential and like player from the dressing room might have a temporary effect on morale and confidence in the side.

All i want is ed1 to not forget to switch on his xmas lights and every lfc fan in that stadium to make their voices heard no matter what.

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{Ed025's Note - my view is that liverpool will win IAC, with them playing midweek they will not be as fresh as they would like and even though they are excellent all these recent games will have taken their toll, after a cat and mouse first half liverpool will score through salah midway through the second half, city then chasing the game will get caught on the counter and mane will set up firmino for a tap in late on....they dont call me mystic ED for nothing..


1.) 13 Jan 2018 13:03:43
Yeah it is a good time to play them we have been on the beach and they played 2 games. I think we will win and we will go 100mph from the beginning. If it becomes cat and mouse I think we don't win.


2.) 13 Jan 2018 14:10:11
I’m expecting Salah and Mane to get a few corners so fully expecting VVD to continue his goal run with another header. Oh and a Salah hat-trick. 😏.


3.) 13 Jan 2018 12:53:12
Ed man how the hell are ya?

{Ed025's Note - hey barry, im good mate thanks, looking forward to the games at the weekend as we both have hard tasks, i think the reds have a better chance than us but you never know, hows you mate?..


4.) 13 Jan 2018 13:15:29
Haha you have me convinced mystic peg leg ed. 😆.


5.) 13 Jan 2018 14:30:13
3-1 to the mighty reds.


6.) 13 Jan 2018 17:35:30
Would be a brilliant weekend if both team's do well Ed.

{Ed025's Note - we are up against it barry but we could just nick a draw mate..


 

 

09 Jan 2018 22:05:29
Ed1 please make sure you get some replacement bulbs for those christmas tree lights for the rest of the season. 😆.

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{Ed001's Note - I am just hoping I still have them up after this weekend!}


1.) 10 Jan 2018 08:25:51
Never fear, as long as you remember to switch them on we are good.


2.) 10 Jan 2018 10:37:31
EASTER tree lights, not Christmas, but EASTER - repeat that a few times everyone.


 

 

05 Jan 2018 22:15:32
First up well done to the boys for a good win from a tricky tie. Not a great performance but well deserved win. What can i say about Vvd, great start to his liverpool career. He was assured and vocal and made karius shift his ass on a few occasions when he was sitting on his haunches. Good in the air and a great threat at set pieces.

Good performance from robertson, he is definately improving but must work on his forward play and crossing.

Can was poor again, let sigurdson walk past him to score. Not much from him offensively or defensively, seems to just be coasting.

Mane did ok considering he had just stepped off a plane but he needs to get back to running in behind which he was so good at last season.

Milner offered nothing in midfield as usual but he scored the penalty so no complaints.

Lallana looked unfit and lacked touch, didn't offer much and was on the back foot and missed a simple header which saw them break and score.

Ox aside from his dead balls made the wrong decision literally everytime he touched the ball. Seemed like something other than football was on his mind.

Gomez was good in the first half and struggled with lookmans pace when he came on in the second half.

Matip looked languid and coasted through the game as usual.

Karius is not the answer, nothing much more to say really.

Firmino toiled with not much quality around him to work with, didn't get any service at all.

Solanke, wijnaldum and taa didn't really have much time to stamp their mark on the game. Taa however did handle lookman better than gomez was able to and wijnaldum added some basic defence to midfield that was lacking throughout the second half.

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1.) 05 Jan 2018 22:24:14
Careful pointing out Can's lack of effort 😂 you might get accused of vitriol! It was yet another example of his lack of commitment though, and his passing was atrocious all game. Another game where he was the worst player on the pitch!


2.) 05 Jan 2018 22:24:14
Careful pointing out Can's lack of effort 😂 you might get accused of vitriol! It was yet another example of his lack of commitment though, and his passing was atrocious all game. Another game where he was the worst player on the pitch!


3.) 05 Jan 2018 22:36:02
With you on that MK, if Can and Matip could drop to the bench and subsequently drop out of the club that would be a good start. Matip at times is comical in his mannerisms and not least his defending and Can is already thinking of good Italian restraurants than the actual match he is in. Apart from that pleased for VVD and also thought Robertson had a good game, next Man City!


4.) 05 Jan 2018 22:52:09
Great review pal.


5.) 05 Jan 2018 23:52:24
OP, Good review overall. Karius had a strange game and seemed nervous and there was a communication gap btw he and VVD which clearly showed that there was a lack of understanding btw the two. I would not say he is not the answer cos you simply cannot draw that conclusion with a player who plays once a month. You simply can't do that. He needs a full go at the GK job to build confidence and better understanding with his back line as that was clearly lacking today.


6.) 06 Jan 2018 00:50:57
did we lose that game 5-0? cos according to that review the only players that had a good game was robertson and VVD. its a derby and just as much about hard work and determination - which we showed plenty of and got the win.


 

 

02 Jan 2018 11:09:03
Ok so having put as little thought into this as possible here are my top 5 contenders to replace some of coutinho's magic.

1. Julian Brandt, he has vision, can dribble and can score a goal or two. By no means the finished article but has lots of potential to become an excellent player.

2. Gelson Martins, execellent dribbler with tricks up the ying yang. He can score and can assist. He is my fav but maybe to early in his career for lfc but would love him none the less. Price will be a factor as his club has put a very high price tag on him.

3. Christian Pulisic, as ed333 has eloquently said he has a very high ceiling and can be as good as his dedication permits. He brings pace, dribbling and goals to the table but is not as creative as the other two. Would still be an excellent elixir to soothe the coutinho hole.

4. Thomas Lemar, has an excellent assist rate, shot and is a dead ball specialist. He can also play all along the left side as ed01 has pointed out. He would not be my choice as i think he is limited in some respects and won't get much better than he already is.

5. Dani Cellabos, he is more of a cenral mid with attacking inclinations. He has got good skills and tricks and vision but lacks pace for me. I do however like his defensive capabilities and he would be a good foil to keita, plus he is still very young and can get even better.

All bring something different to the table but none quiet fully filling that coutinho hole excuse the pun. Personally i would go all out to convince brandt that his future lies here (legally) but would be equally stoked if we blew out coutinho.

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1.) 02 Jan 2018 11:28:03
I’d take Brandt. For me he’s the closest to Phill with regards to dribbling ability and where he can play. He is similar to couts in terms of pace not the quickest but has good acceleration when needed. For me he’s the one I’d go for. Imagine a midfield of Brandt Keita and Goretzka? I mean it’s possible. A man can dream.


2.) 02 Jan 2018 11:32:42
Is Brandt an option still? Thought it all cooled down once he decided against us in the summer over playing time.


3.) 02 Jan 2018 12:14:35
I highly doubt Ceballos is linked to any of this. He is a young central midfielder. I'm not even sure you could count him as an attacking midfielder like you could Goretzka. He's more of a midfield playmaker than a goal threat.

Coutinho will be replaced by a player who can score goals. Ceballos is more of an assist/ key pass player than a goal threat. Far more likely Ceballos and Keita are seen as the replacements for the likes Can, Grujic and Milner.

Coutinho will be replaced by a goal scorer. If it's a midfielder, it will be a player In the mould of Goretzka whose main asset is scoring from midfield. When we lose Coutinho, we lose at least 15 goals a season. Not even Liverpool are stupid enough to replace our third main goal threat so far this season, with an inexperienced play maker. Isn't it telling that since Meyer dropped into a deeper role, we've dropped all interest in him as a Coutinho replacement? Coutinho will be replaced by a forward.

If we sign Ceballos, it would purely be an opportunistic signing because his representatives have approached us. Not as an alternative to Brandt/ Lemar. Totally different types of players. Ceballos has nothing to do with Coutinho in my opinion. Sometimes when good players are available and approach you, you just take the opportunity. That shouldn't impact your other plans though. If you allow it to, that's just poor management and irresponsible.


4.) 02 Jan 2018 12:34:50
Pulisic by a distance. He's destined to be world class if fit and healthy.


5.) 02 Jan 2018 12:50:44
I agree Big Al, Pulisic any day over the rest, all great players but he's on another level.


6.) 02 Jan 2018 13:04:58
I'd love to know what people disagree with? Ceballos has 9 career goals in 120 odd appearances. Coutinho has 12 goals in the last 3 months.

If anybody seriously thinks he's a suitable replacement for Coutinho, i worry for them. Klopp has clearly identified left sided attackers who can also play in mdfield. Lemar, Brandt, Draxler, Laxalt and Meyer were the players we were interested in. Draxler and Meyer have since dropped into deeper midfielder roles, and Laxalt is terrible. That leaves Lemar and Brandt for me.

Goretzka was only ever seen as an alternative to Keita but this season he's been playing in a more attacking midfield role and scoring goals. He has also played as a wide midfielder previously but he was moved centrally because he can't cross for toffee and always cut inside anyway. Goretzka could indirectly replace Coutinho as he'd add goals to our team albeit from a different position, but he can't cover in the front 3 unlike Brandt and Lemar.

Now that Can is definitely not signing his new contract, it makes sense that we would go for a replacement in Ceballos. Klopp wanted Keita and Can. Hence why he signed Keita and still offered Can a contract. Therefore if Can leaves, he needs to be replaced. Maybe I'm wrong but this all seems like simple logic to me. Unlike Goretzka, Ceballos is not a genuine goal threat so it seems ridiculous that he's being mooted as any form of replacement for Coutinho. Ceballos might get 3-5 goals a season, but Coutinho gets that every couple of months. They're not even comparable players. I'll be disappointed in LFC if they replace a goal scoring attacker with a midfielder who doesn't score.


7.) 02 Jan 2018 13:15:54
Pulisic lacks end product, his shooting from distance is poor, his crossing isn’t great and he doesn’t have the vision in his passing, he can dribble well but that isn’t enough to break the bank for. It’s also well worth remembering that he’s only 19 years old and is far too early in his development to join and expect him to replace Coutinho as it would be harmful for him. Think how we signed Markovic before he was ready? That’s not even considering the fact he’s a Man United fan who has said he would only consider playing for United if he came to the premier league, surely that’s not worth pursuing. Personslly I think we should go for someone more ready to go straight away, Forsberg, Insigne and Lemar for example. Forsberg is a superb footballer, he’s got pace, skill and end product (his shooting, passing and crossing ability are one of the reasons for RBL success) he can play wide midfield or number ten, Insigne reminds me of Zola and that’s a very high compliment, only difficulty is that Napoli are hard to negotiate with. Lemar has a great range of passing, has good dead ball delivery and long range passes and can play number 10, number 8 and on the wing as well as full back, any of those would be adequate ready to go replacements.


8.) 02 Jan 2018 14:01:47
Whilst this isn't the main consideration, if everything else is even we should get Pulisic for the commercial aspect.

He's set to be the first US mega star and if Liverpool became the Yank's favourite team it would go a long way to financially closing the gap to our rivals.


9.) 02 Jan 2018 16:20:59
Mr Dennis, have you seen Pulisic play. The kid is quality and having watched him in the CL this season, he may be a bit rough around the edges BUT his quality is unquestionable and at 19, he is way ahead of many his age and even older. The kid has everything and can play anywhere in the attacking third. He would be my pick and if he is not available (which he is not), I would take Brandt w/ o hesitation as he like Pulisic (tho Forsberg is a good shout), can play in a front 3 or the no. 10 role where he currently plays now at Leverkusen.

Not sure about this Ceballos kid as he seems to young and unproven tho he has talent as real beat out some good teams to get him. he is no no. 10 and not a wide forward so don't know what he will be doing here, in that regard.


 

 

 

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14 Jan 2018 12:40:15
Haha has he given up golf and sold his clubs on ebay and the shop in liverpool were the highest bidder lol.

Otherwise i have no clue as to why he would send then there.

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13 Jan 2018 21:47:22
Shame its not us, he is an excellent prospect and will light up the prem, he is still very young too and can only get better.

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13 Jan 2018 19:15:49
Thanks for the updates ed02, didn't know he was no longer available.

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13 Jan 2018 12:02:51
Wouldn't that be a risk though, yes we have ings and solanke but neither are pulling up trees and we would be stuck if one or more of our three remaining first team attackers were injured. This is of course moot if that top top player signs this window but i believe it when i see it as they say.

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13 Jan 2018 12:00:13
It would make sense convincing de vrij to sign a pre contract for the summer. Akanji is not quiet ready and very similar to vvd.

Plus we will need to look for a top class keeper and possibly another midfielder and attacking midfielder if we don't get one this window. So saving money getting a free but decent defender for the summer makes sense. Disclaimer: i know its not really free with signing on fees, agents fees etc.

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21 Jan 2018 02:17:30
1. Top class keeper for obvious reasons.
2. Rb to allow gomez to play in the middle with vvd or allow gomez to cover middle and fb positions.
3. Strong central mid to replace can that is defensively minded but not necessarily a dm.
4. If sturridge and ings go would be happy for origi to come back into the fold.
5. Lemar, brandt or pulisic to replace the creativity hole vacated by coutinho. All of them however bring sonething slightly different to the party but all would improve the team.

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19 Jan 2018 16:40:28
Paul Gascoigne, could have been a superstar if he wasnt a drunk. Had the potential to be one of the best players on the planet but squandered his talent sadly.

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18 Jan 2018 17:47:18
But ed will be drinking a pint of cherryade because we all know he is a teatotaller.

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17 Jan 2018 08:05:58
Excellent post buzzer and i agree with you, hence why i don't think we will get anyone this window as he is prepared to wait for the right candidate rather than fill the squad.

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16 Jan 2018 21:44:32
Its all in the lights lads, believe in the red and green and yellow and blue and orange etc well you get the picture. 😊.

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