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20 Nov 2017 07:59:02
What a week it has been for ALberto, he deserves everything coming his way, playing for your country and being blessed with a baby boy, may the good times continue for the guy.

Ore

1.) 20 Nov 2017 08:44:51
I think he's gone from my least favourite player to being in my top 3 favourites in about 18 months.

Salah, Moreno and Firmino have been a joy to watch this season. All playing fantastic and with a smile!


2.) 20 Nov 2017 10:08:08
Yes big improvement though still have watch 50/ 50 challengers through the gaps in my fingers.


3.) 20 Nov 2017 10:12:00
MK this is not Firmino bashing, but he has not been at the consistant level of Salah or Moreno this season. He has done overall ok. Tell me which league games he has produced moments of class to win points. I can't think of any. He is doing ok but we need him to go to the next level. We need him to score the winners when we are drawing not so much the 5th goal v Maribor.

You do seem looking at some of your other posts very easily pleased. We are LIVERPOOL and we should have more points in the league and CL. I think we are a minimum 4 points behind what I would have expected in the PL. By the end of the year we need 19 points from the next 7 games to put us back on track. I am looking for Firmino to move up a level. I think its much more likely Mane and PC will step up.


4.) 20 Nov 2017 10:29:49
I have never rated Firmino and will never. I get stick for standing up to this fact. Firmino were to be play in any other team, he would not get into Brazilian squad. He is average attacker.


5.) 20 Nov 2017 10:38:45
Markp08, i am sorry mate, but I 100% disagree.

On Saturday we were struggling terribly to break Southampton down, and then as Saints went to hit us on the break, Firmino has chased back with intent, dispossessed Tadic before he got out of his own defensive third, quickly played the ball back into the danger area before Southampton could set themselves, and that is ultimately what led to our first goal. If it was not for Firmino's work rate and speed of thought, we could easily have drawn that 0-0, because the first goal opened the flood gates.

There is only 1 striker in the world who does what Firmino does and scores more goals; Luis Suarez. Nobody other striker who scores masses of goals is as influential defensively and creatively. Firmino last season was 1st in Europe for tackles and interceptions from a striker. If anybody can't appreciate how dangerous it is to have a player who repeatedly wins the ball back in the oppositions defensive third, then they are quite simply oblivious.

Firmino is unselfish, creative, hard working, the most defensively intelligent player in our starting line up, and also very entertaining to watch. Besides all that, he has still scored 7 goals in 18 games this season. It absolutely baffles me why people choose to target one of, if not, our best player.

Firmino doesn't need to step up between niw and Christmas, because he has never stepped down! Aside from Salah and Moreno, the rest of the team need to step up to Firmino's performance level.

I also reject your point that I'm easily pleased. I've made it wholly clear that Mignolet, Clyne, Matip, Klavan, Lovren and Milner are not good enough and that we are completely missing a holding midfielder in the squad. I'm not easily pleased, i just look at the actual problems in the team instead of moaning about our best players because they're not Luis Suarez.

Firmino is on course to score 20 goals this season and that is not even why he is in the team. He could score 5 a season and his overall game would still be good and vital enough to us to see him as the first name on the team sheet every week.


6.) 20 Nov 2017 10:43:58
Firmino is a very clever player opens a lot of space. Drags defenders out of position. Never greedy. My opinion but that front line won't tick anywhere near without him.


7.) 20 Nov 2017 11:08:30
MK, "most defensively intelligent player" has always been Heskey. Please do not use that in anybody. It's disrespect to Emile.


8.) 20 Nov 2017 11:29:03
Firmino has just been ok this season no more than that. He has had as many below par games as real quality games like agains't Hoffenhiem. It was only a few games ago he was put on the bench because he was struggling a little. He has got 3 goals in the league. When Mane and PC are not playing he has to get goals if he doesn't we drop points. It was his responsability in some of the games to score goals and he couldn't do it.

In some games when its all going well Firmino looks great and is effective creating space for others. But its so obvious in some close games when its not working he has to get GOALS. It is his responsability in some games to win us the points, you can't always rely on Salah.

It's no different to the Gomez situation. People go ott. He was quality for England in 2 friendlies and deserves some praise. Agains't West Ham he conceded a really poor goal. He has had an ok season as well nothing more than that. I think he has the quality to be more consistant and next year we will see the best of him.


9.) 20 Nov 2017 11:29:12
Firmino is a terrific player. Without him the system wouldn't work. If you want him to score 25 goals then you might need to change the system and ask him to stick between the defenders through the game. He constantly moves around which is what the beauty of our frontline. He is what Dries Mertens at Napoli. A converted forward. I however agree he should be a bit more ruthless upfront.


10.) 20 Nov 2017 11:38:00
Firmino struggled for much of this season, especially in the games after his penalty miss vs Seville which seemed to hit him hard. But he definitely has plenty of quality and what he does allows the effectiveness of our wing attack in such a major way.

Relax - you get 'stick' for the opinion because it's a poorly informed opinion. You're allowed to have it - everyone can have any opinion they like - but you really shouldn't be surprised that people laugh at you for it. The fact that part of your opinion is that he 'wouldn't get in the Brazil national squad if he played in any other squad' should be a hint to you over how ridiculous it is - why would the Brazil NS give preferential treatment to a Liverpool player? Maybe Real or Barcelona but Liverpool? What kind of logic is that?


11.) 20 Nov 2017 12:30:14
For 3 years before we actually got him this site clamoured for Firmino. don't you realise this is the same position he played for Hoffenheim.


12.) 20 Nov 2017 12:48:43
I didn't think he justified his position last season but now he's got Salah as well as Mane next to him he's exactly what we need.


13.) 20 Nov 2017 14:29:32
Firmino does well with the system in terms of creating space for others and the inter changing 3 up front which most other centre forwards would frown upon doing every game due to being selfish but that isn’t the case with Firmino. He’s very much a team player. Few down sides I’ve picked up upon in recent months is his first touch at times is terrible and gifts the opposition possession and on another note his finishing seems to be off the boil, very rash decisions in a one on one setting other than the tap ins he’s got for his goals recently.


14.) 20 Nov 2017 15:09:20
Mark, I thought that you were a bit hard on Gomez, yes he made a mistake V West Ham, but the lad is only 20 yrs old, coming back from a bad injury, playing in a different position, and I happen to believe that he will turn out to be a top class player for us .


15.) 20 Nov 2017 15:12:38
sometimes on this site i don't believe what im reading do you guys actually watch game or just write what you think after listening to numerous moronic footballing experts on tv, trust what you see not hat you hear. without firminio we don't score a lot of the goals we have so far this season, who do you think pulls the cbs out of position opening up them pockets of space, who has won the ball back in and around the opposition box more than firminio creating scoring chances have you seen anyone else chase all the way back into his own lb and rb position and still be up in the opponents box for the attempt on goal. as has been mentioned the guy is underrated and in my opinion essential to our system yes he is not lethal enough and does not have as many shots as other cf but that means his unselfishness creates more for others i always like having a cf who scores 30 goals or more but to have 3 or four who can be around 20 or more would be excellent.


16.) 20 Nov 2017 15:53:36
But we don't have 3 or 4 who will get 20 goals we have 1 or 2. I am not being harsh on Gomez I have always said of the youngsters he is the best. But its very important not to go OTT after a couple of good games or a couple of bad games. I also think he will be top class be he must keep improving and not just listen to the praise.

Sanchez up front would get 20 league goals and Mane and Salah would score the same as now.

MK how can you say if he scored 5 goals he would still be the first name on the team sheet? That is just crazy it would almost certainly mean we finished outside the top 4 because Mane and Salah won't be fit every game. He has to win us some points and to give him most of the credit for Salah's first goal is well OTT. When you are a CF for a top club trying to win things in certain games its up to you.


 

 

24 Aug 2017 14:36:53
Big ups to Trent for making the english squad, the boy deserves it. Take a bow son take a bow.

Ore

1.) 24 Aug 2017 15:42:04
*U21's, same with Gomez and Solanke.


2.) 24 Aug 2017 15:51:27
He hasn't?


 

 

19 Jan 2017 09:13:27
Greetings every 1,I will continue to say its very pleasing how all the players are getting a shot at proving them selves. with our RB options and Clyn injured or resting. If you where Klopp would you stick with TAA or recall if fit for the Swans game?

I fully understand why you against loans now, the understanding between our younger players as compared to the assembled 1st team seems to be way beyond better. Its very evident that they have been playing together for years under the same system which has really benefited them individually as well, credit to our youth coaches. I could be wrong but Joe and TAA compliment each other so well on the right hand side as if they where in each others heads. Iam not saying they where perfect and we all know Joe just joined us but keeping our young talent together seems reap great rewards. All in all the boys did well, Ejaria looks so natural on the ball and should grow into fine player. Wilson seems to have learned and rooted himself the is talent there.

Ore

1.) 19 Jan 2017 10:00:52
TAA is a great back up for clyne and yes I think he should play if clyne not fit . Gomez should not be move out of CB and needs to develop there . What I mean is if someone gets injured at lb or rb we should have other players to play there. It's clear to me that Klopp has a long game at Liverpool and trying to bring some kids from the academy into the 1 st team


2.) 19 Jan 2017 10:11:57
I would keep TAA in the team a little while longer, a little run will do him the world of good, not saying make him our new first choice, but a little run to make him hungry for more and give him confidence and also to make clyne realise he's got someone breathing down his neck.


3.) 19 Jan 2017 10:43:52
Agreed Mikey id play him a few games and rest him a few. Change between them both. He's not ready just yet but never will be unless given a chance to be. If we played him constantly anything could happen, it could go to his head, alternate him and clyne and we'll see the lad do really well imo. I hope he gets the chance for half of the remaining games. Give him the experience he requires for next season. Id also love to see more of ojo more then anyone, this kid looks special, he may not be 100% fit but considering he wasn't due back from injury till the end of the season he's done damn well.


4.) 19 Jan 2017 14:24:28
Next season, we should have a lot more games to play, and Klopp will rotate some players, Ojo, TAA and Gomez will get lots more game time .


5.) 19 Jan 2017 15:09:52
I would keep TAA in the team - he's done well in the abcence of Clyne and could likely do better with an extended run. Clyne has underwhelmed this season, I think TAA has shown he can be entrusted with a few more starts at least.


6.) 19 Jan 2017 15:29:12
Juanma (the young LB from Barca) in the U23 team is highly thought of so here's to hoping he can make the step up like TAA has done.


 

 

 

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20 Nov 2017 12:49:25
Has he not faded away over the years, I hardly ever watch his league but even the international scene his no where to be found.

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20 Nov 2017 08:25:46
I would honestly think he is at the best place to make the England squad, Klopp seems to be managing him time considering that he seems to be getting less injuries, regaining form and scoring. I fear for him that should he get a team that relies on him week in week out he might not even be fit to be incontention come world cup, could be wrong.

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17 Aug 2017 08:53:12
Thanks a mill.

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07 Aug 2017 13:15:20
well said, feel for the guy.

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19 Jul 2017 10:42:42
Best of luck sir Lu.

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05 Dec 2017 06:24:35
post of the season lol.

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24 Nov 2017 08:41:38
Thats a bit harsh, lol considering we had sissoko at some point.

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23 Nov 2017 10:05:18
vidal is the worst sugestion for a dm.

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20 Nov 2017 08:17:49
I think we all suprised to honest, not throwing shade but all of us where sulking when Brandt didn't join, loool.

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20 Nov 2017 08:12:32
Couldnt help but share a tear, YNWA Brad.

Ore