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02 Nov 2018 19:58:32
Shout out to ED002, you told us everything about the break away leagues and their alternative a long long time ago. First time I read about it here was in 2009! Amazing job sire, massive respect to you.


1.) 02 Nov 2018 21:14:11
Incredible insight as always from Ed002. The league still doesn’t sit right with me personally but us mere fans have little say 😂.

2.) 02 Nov 2018 21:28:58
Maybe I didn't read it thoroughly enough, but is that league to replace the champions league or is it a break away European league meaning Liverpool, Man U, Man City, Arsenal, and Chelsea would leave the Premier League?

3.) 03 Nov 2018 00:12:38
Stone. Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think Ed 002 has stated that Liverpool won't initially be part of a break away league. It will mean that teams will be leaving the Premier league and other top leagues around Europe, meaning the football league will be reformed.

4.) 03 Nov 2018 01:45:29
According to ED02 the top European teams would leave their leagues and join to create a pan-european league.
However I recall that ED02 kept stating that Liverpool were not involved or had not been invited to join such discussions.
So it is interesting to see the rags write LFC are involved.

ED02 also suggested that such a break away league would lead the the exisiting premier league set-up to possibly be disbanded as such a league would leave the league financially very much weaker.

BTW this is all from memory so I could be wrong on somw of it.

But this all gies to prove how insanly this ED02 chap is connected and knowledgable on football matters.
I for one have stopped reading newspapers for football news of any kind - there is no doubts to be had in ED02 info.

5.) 03 Nov 2018 11:23:48
the latest reports have Liverpool, Man City, Man U, Arsenal, and Chelsea all involved.

{Ed002's Note - That is incorrect.}

6.) 03 Nov 2018 13:33:06
Ok thank you ed. I know that if I want accurate information that I’ll get it here from you.

7.) 03 Nov 2018 15:05:32
No Arsenal?

{Ed002's Note - Arsenal has been involved in the discussions but has so far been one of the clubs not to commit to the breakaway, or explicitly say they won't be joining. Having now looked at what Der Spiegel has actually written it is clear that they have generally gotten matters right but have muddled what appears to be probably three or possibly four pieces of information, one of which is perhaps four years old. A lot has happened in that period and the "elite" sides continue to meet between one and three times a year to discuss matters, including this. I am pretty sure that I have sahred a lot of information, but certainly not all. You need to remember that this is not something new and there has been much publicitly given to the efforts of UEFA and others, to some extent now involving FIFA, to block it and somehow keep these clubs happy. There are counter-proposals to the pan-European breakaway that have partially been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. The first proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year and be based on past winners of the Champions League and European Cup and a few (not specified) more. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the possible introduction of a lower-tier European competition again. Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal - which is where Der Spiegel have their list from). The American backer, Stephen Ross, of the Miami Dolphins has on several occasions requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have still yet to respond but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves first. This has dragged on for a year or more and nothing has happened - and I doubt it will but FIFA and some Japanese fincing are now supporting his proposal.

UEFA are also considering a variant proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve in to a parallel league, and of course eventually in to a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite” sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite” group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support - and that is where we are now.

Another major counter proposal is a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and South American clubs. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite", European "guest" sides, Asian sides and South American sides. The general feeling from informal discussions over cocktails is that the "elite" would not want it on a league basis but could be open to including other sides in a some sort of expanded World Club championship. FIFA see this as something they could control, hence their involvement in the matter. THis is also something that was added to the agenda of the Autumn 2018 council meeting but there was no vote - and little discussion I am told.}

8.) 03 Nov 2018 16:11:49
Outstanding Ed, thank you so much.

9.) 03 Nov 2018 20:03:01
Wow ed002.
That blew me away. Thanks!

10.) 04 Nov 2018 00:01:54
Will Brexit have any effect on this ed002?

Personally I don’t think I could support a club in a European league. It would be a bit of a sideshow for me, like the world club cup. I’d have to support a team in England.

It might be a positive thing for the game, get rid of the mercenary rich kids playing with our game and bring back some integrity to football.

{Ed002's Note - No Ron, it is unrelated to Brexit and the European Union. I am not sure of the rationale behind switching your allegiance if Liverpool have shifted up to a pan European league but Everton would welcome your support no doubt. When Liverpool were part of the last evil breakaway did you also consider no longer supporting them? There is a natural progression and things are going to change, like it or not. I assume you would never go to a supermarket nor drive a car with 5 gears nor use a credit card?}

11.) 04 Nov 2018 01:09:18
No ed002 I’m not a Luddite. I just won’t be watching or fully engaging with a competition that doesn’t take place in the UK. The champions league is special because it is a rarity and you have to be successful in your domestic league to qualify. Plus most matches are midweek sandwiched between the premier league.

A pan European league will have no interest for me. Do I care if Real Madrid are better than Liverpool or PSG are better than Liverpool?

No, I care if Man Utd is better than Liverpool, I care about being the best in the Uk. How many Real Madrid fans will I be able to taunt down the pub? How many PSG fans will I meet at work?

The money men just don’t understand football and if they do leave the best and most successful league in the world - the premier league - then it will be to their detriment. Football in England will thrive with or without these so called “elite clubs”.

{Ed002's Note - Ron, it really doesn't bother me if you decide to support another side instead of Liverpool.}

12.) 04 Nov 2018 04:53:29
Ed002 apologies if I misunderstood, but is this breakaway league designed to completely replace standard domestic league play? Or will teams still participate in their domestic league and just replace UCL/ cups. I understand if it’s the latter there would likely be adjustments made anyways but I was just curious.

{Ed002's Note - If the clubs get what they want then they will leave their existing leagues. If I had to speculate, I would think (1) you might eventually see something like five or six EPL teams leave for two-tier pan European league - but it won't be based on the UEFA rankings; (2) the Premier League would be disbanded as an organisation; (3) the FA would restructure in to two 20 team divisions with lower leagues regionalised as they were many years ago; (4) FIFA would ban all players from the breakaway teams from International football - perhaps rescinding that position to stop FIFA breaking up as well - they don't want further issues but the troubles are not going to go away. I could also see many teams lose their professional status. I would think we are probably 10 years away from any significant move at this time.

I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting there finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially). Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again). Recently Hartlepool has been struggling - again it needs to adapt. The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done.

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the Liverpool supporters like it or not. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 10 to 12 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, St James Park, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat., perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so you can go and watch them?

If UEFA get what they want they will tighten their grip but the existing leagues would be intact and they would have expand competitions that would bring more income.

If FIFA get what they want they will leverage the popularity of the European sides to leverage the Asian markets.}

13.) 04 Nov 2018 12:42:15
Ah I love threads like this when Ed2 posts info about things we'd never have a clue about! . Thank you very much Ed2, have a great day mate.

14.) 04 Nov 2018 13:04:24
Totally agree with you Ron.

15.) 04 Nov 2018 14:31:45
Der Spiegel gives a fair breakdown of the events and communications rumours. English version

16.) 04 Nov 2018 15:02:18
Ed002 you’re the smartest rodeo clown and gentleman adventurer around. Thanks as always. I can’t see myself liking this change but at the end of the day I love the game. I’m sure I’d eventually come around to watching it. I can’t help but wonder what the finances would be like. Would they continue with a FFP sort of system that permits spend what you earn? Or perhaps an NBA/ NFL type salary cap? I would think this breakaway league would run the risk of setting up huge financial disparities just like current leagues are facing. Surely a breakaway league would want every team to be competitive.

17.) 05 Nov 2018 14:13:09
If this happens ticket prices and tv subscription will be climbing exponentially.

18.) 08 Nov 2018 09:12:23
I fancy a pint of wallop.



31 Jan 2014 14:39:28
Hey eds, Do you expect konoplyanka to sign? What's up with Micah Richard loan rumours?


{Ed002's Note - Konoplyanka will sign if a fee can be agreed with the owner. PSG also spoke with the club last night. I know nothing of a bid for Richards.}

1.) PSG. that's it then I might as well go to work. Paris or Liverpool? Paris or Liverpool?

2.) Very worrying to hear could very well be over unless we hurry up and agree a fee

3.) Seems obvious eds that sky have just reacted to your comments regarding clubs yet to agree a fee. Prior to this they were saying fee agreed. The truth will unfold here first I think.

4.) Are PSG still interested after last nights talks then ed?

{Ed002's Note - No, they are putting all of their efforts elsewhere today.}

5.) Thank god we couldn't compete with psg



23 Sep 2013 19:07:32
hi eds, do you think Krisztian Adorjan will return to Liverpool once his loan spell ends?
he seems to be developing well. Watched him a couple of times and he seems to be tearing the opposition defense with ease.
waiting for you reply.
Regards. {Ed001's Note - it really depends on how well he plays, he is on loan to prove himself. It will be his choice though, as, if he does well, we will have offers for him and he will be able to move on if he wants to.}




18 Feb 2013 06:55:45
hey eds, do you expect us to go for any strong defensive midfielders in the summer? and what exactly is the issue with Assaidi why isn't he getting enough game time, when ever he played he seemed like a fire cracker of a player. If this goes on do you expect him to leave or be used as a bait to sign say Eriksen (unrealistic) or Siem De Jong from ajax?
BTW great job with the new poster registration. {Ed001's Note - I expect a central defender to be the summer priority, or two. Then a keeper. After that, I wouldn't know right now. As for Assaidi, his final ball was poor, he needs to improve on that. Hard to see him being used as bait, I doubt he will be top of anyone's target list, certainly he will not have a high sales value.}


1.) Even if Skrtel & Coates were to leave and Carra retiring we would still have Agger, Kelly & Wisdom who are natural center halfs, so who ever we buy would it be to play as back up to Kelly & Agger who would be my choice, or would it be to play alongside Agger, as for the GK, if Reina does leave then i'd like Ter Stegan or Kevin Trapp.

2.) If we have given numerous chances to Downing, Shelvey and even Henderson who have only come good recently, then we should bide time with Assaidi. And no, We havn't seen him enough.




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28 May 2019 18:22:19
A question for ED002, love your information snippets! Makes us more aware about football in general. Big big fan.
I had a question, I remember you telling us that FSG might be looking out for a strategic partner who can help grow the club. Is there still interest Liverpool to sell a minority stake or has the plan been shelved in the hope for a larger valuation in the future?
I ask this because upgrading Kirby is a significant outflow and will have a rather large impact on revenue and debt.
Gotta give credit to FSG, they've gone about their job well inspite of throwing in money on transfers.
Anyway, looking forward to hearing from you on this.


{Ed002's Note - The club, or at least the owners, would be happy to find a partner to assist financially but you need to remember that selling, say, 20% of the club for £500M gives no guarantee of that money being invested in the club - so at best it would be a lesser amount turned over for re-investment. Investors need a return on their money, and remembering that FSG are effectively venture capitalists, they want to find a way to leverage a a longer term profit for the club. But as we know the value of the "higher end" sides such as Liverpool do not make them attractive for investment.}

1.) 29 May 2019 04:15:12
So correct me if I'm wrong Ed002, but the only way we have new owners would be either a soverign or a strong consortium who'd want a controlling interest.
And at our current valuation (infact not only us but all of top 6 clubs barring maybe City and spurs because of the debt) are unattractive investments for their value won't soar higher till maybe the Pan European league kicks in.

{Ed002's Note - I am afraid you are wrong and making assumptions.}

2.) 29 May 2019 09:58:37
Hi ed, I don’t mean to romanticise things but, as you said FSG are venture capitalists and no doubt when they bought the club did so to eventually turn a profit. However, do you think they could / would ever change their views and want to hold on to the club in the much longer term due to them developing a genuine affinity for the club? Are they becoming genuine fans and enjoying the ride that Jurgen is taking the club on. I know they aren’t ever going to want to make a loss, but perhaps making a profit could become a much longer term goal?

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with "affinity", it is to do with financial viability and right now there is a great deal of money in football.}



16 Jul 2018 22:29:00
One for Ed001.

Just saw your list of Legends to profile on the City page, seems like you have your work cut out mate. Would you be so kind to add Daniel Agger to that list? Sure he isn't a legend per se but when fit, he was a very underrated defender and a class act on and off the pitch.

Also, apart from Alisson, who do you think would do well for Liverpool? I would genuinely like Ward to get a shot, though I doubt Klopp would be ready to back him just yet.



{Ed001's Note - Dagger is added, he was a club legend so fits the criteria just.

Difficult one, there are a lot of potentially good young keepers but we have seen how a mistake will see any keeper crucified, so it needs to be a top class one to keep people off his back long enough to settle in. Would have to be the likes of Oblak, though someone like Lafont or Strakosha (or the youngster Madrid signed a few days back whose name escapes me) are all likely to be excellent keepers in time, they just won't get that time with us.}

1.) 17 Jul 2018 07:14:12
You thinking of Andriy Lunin Ed1 mate?

{Ed001's Note - that's him thank you.}

2.) 17 Jul 2018 07:42:47
No probs Ed, I've never actually seen the lad play mate but saw RM had signed him. Spoken very highly of apparently.

{Ed001's Note - very very highly thought of mate. But he is only a kid.}

3.) 17 Jul 2018 11:12:17
While we are at it Ed001, what do you think of John Acterberg as a coach? Pepe's dip at Liverpool started with him replacing Xavi Valero and all the keepers we have signed since have been underperforming of sorts.
To me Acterberg seem like a likeable fellow one who can be trusted by the manager but something lacking on coaching side.

{Ed001's Note - he joined us as a guy learning the ropes, he is still learning, which is the problem, a novice should not be working with the first team. We should be employing the best there is, not someone who is clearly not. Not one goalkeeper has shown sign of improvement working with him. I am not sure I would replace him, I would have liked to see another coach over him.}

4.) 17 Jul 2018 11:46:19
Really a shame that 5 managers and two DOFs missed out on something everyone can spot.
Also a slight worry Ed001 that Buvac won't be around considering he has been Klopp's tactian for 18 years. Sure there are other coaches who'll help now but 18 years together must account for something.

{Ed001's Note - depends on who replaces Buvac really. Might be time for a fresh eye on tactics.}



06 Apr 2018 00:13:23
This one is for Ed001:
Ed, what exactly is up with Woodburn? Don't see him in training, not injured either.
This would be a good chance for him to step up but haven't heard about him in a while. Has been off in training?


Is that we are keeping him grounded by sending him back to the youth team? Because even in that case good youngsters are eventually brought back to the first team fold.


{Ed001's Note - he is just a kid what do you expect to see?}

1.) 06 Apr 2018 07:45:18
Messi? Haha clearly not ready. Altho I imagine he makes the bench next week woth hendo out?

2.) 06 Apr 2018 14:58:55
I expect to see him scoring banger after banger like he done for Wales ed! XD, be nice to see him on the weekend.

{Ed001's Note - bit different playing for Wales when you are one of just a couple of decent players, to playing for a team where you are no longer one of the better players.... ;-)

3.) 06 Apr 2018 17:56:30
I should imagine Ben Woodburn would feel right at home anywhere, we both have a red kit, good fans, although by playing for Liverpool he does miss out on minutes with the Welsh Pirlo.



04 Sep 2017 14:26:05
Hi Ed001/ 002,
Why have we included Kent and Ojo and excluded Ings in the Champions League squad?
Seems baffling considering both Kent and Ojo have gone out on loan.


{Ed001's Note - I would suspect it is a mistake mate, as Ojo (and Kent) are under the age that they need to be named in the squad I believe.}

1.) 04 Sep 2017 15:12:28
Ruling is you can only name 23 players over the age of 21, 8 of whom must qualify as home grown. If you cannot list 8 home grown players, you must leave the squad position empty.

However, you can list an unlimited number of u21 players. That is why Kent and Ojo have been listed. If their loan spells are cut short, they are in the squad just in case. They don't take up a squad position so it is purely precautionary, but very deliberate. Masterson, Ejaria, Brannagan, Brewster and Wilson are a few other kids to be listed despite them being almost certain not to play

Ings has been left out as he clearly isn't fit enough to be competing at that level. He's been been out through injury for over 2 years now. It is more striking that Clyne and Markovic have been left out. Looks like their Anfield careers are over (Markovic we knew that anyway) . Injury is no reason to leave Clyne out unless it is a really major injury, as Lallana has been listed and he's reportedly out until December. Clyne seems to have been usurped by Arnold, Gomez and Flanagan as they have all been named in the squad (though keep in mind that Arnold and Gomez are part of the unlimited u21s) . Great news for Flanagan though!

It says to me that Clyne either has a major injury concern that could rule him out for 6 months or more, or that Klopp no longer wants Clyne as part of his first team squad. There have been rumours that Klopp doesn't like Clyne for some time to be fair! It'll all come out soon enough.

2.) 04 Sep 2017 18:35:33
MK, you can name 25 players over 21 on your "A List". But there's an additional distinction for the 8 Home Grown players in the Champions League squad: at least 4 of those 8 have to be trained (ie. at least 3 full years between the ages of 16 and 21) by Liverpool specifically. Only Flanagan and Ward meet this criteria among players we have older than 21. So we've left two of those places empty. There's no 'loss' as such by putting in Flanagan. If we didn't register him, we'd have to leave his slot empty.

The Premier League doesn't have this requirement and all 8 Home Grown players for PL registration can be trained at any club under the jurisdiction of the Football Association.

3.) 04 Sep 2017 18:48:02
Thanks for the clarification SR, buddy!



30 Aug 2017 23:07:12
Hi Ed001/ 002,
What is happening with Yan Dhanda? Wasn't he of interest from a few Championship club? Do you see him going out on a loan? That kid looks brilliant in our U23 team. or is he being held back because of a contract issue?


{Ed001's Note - he will probably go out on loan. Depends on the offers that come in.}




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If I were a betting man, I'd say he is off to Wolves.




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30 Aug 2017 20:03:47
Ed001, I guess you're going to have a hectic day tomorrow.
Do you see us offering him a new contract or has everyone at the club accepted the fact that he is going to leave on a free transfer next year?
If he does go on a free, he'd probably end up as the bargain signing of this decade!


{Ed001's Note - there is a contract on the table for him if he wants to sign it.}



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12 Mar 2015 12:54:58
Ed I agree with majority of your assessment of Matt Ryan but he has improved a fair bit this term with positioning and dominance in the box. Also he does seem to come out and collect crosses better than last term but then again he plays in a very poor league and wasn't really spectacular for Australia a month or two ago.




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02 Feb 2015 09:31:57
Hjikle, add Wenger to that list as well.




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09 Jan 2015 06:16:26
Ed002, didn't Fiorentia's president come out and say Neto will be moving on in the summer last week? Has anything changed ed?


{Ed002's Note - Last night he verbally agreed to join Juventus.}




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22 Aug 2019 19:34:57
Ed001 just read the article mate! Stunning work!


{Ed001's Note - thank you very much mate.}



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22 Aug 2019 12:33:28
Is it possible to get your version of the said article if you've completed it?
Appreciate it as always!


{Ed001's Note - they are referring to the Rick Parry one mate.}



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29 May 2019 04:15:12
So correct me if I'm wrong Ed002, but the only way we have new owners would be either a soverign or a strong consortium who'd want a controlling interest.
And at our current valuation (infact not only us but all of top 6 clubs barring maybe City and spurs because of the debt) are unattractive investments for their value won't soar higher till maybe the Pan European league kicks in.


{Ed002's Note - I am afraid you are wrong and making assumptions.}



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28 May 2019 18:17:41
Hi ed, what word do I search for to access that thread from the archives? I tried Ian Graham, data and at. Your help will be appreciated.


{Ed033's Note - Liverpool data analytics thread



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12 May 2019 19:38:22
Hey Ed001, phenomenal season! Kudos to city. However, what happens next season, if we win the UCL we could be looking to play 70 odd games next season add to that Copa America, AFCON and European league.
What I am trying to point out is that on top of 3-4 additions we should be looking to a fair few youth players to breakthrough.


{Ed001's Note - we should be hoping for that anyway.}