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08 Jun 2017 08:26:11
Morning Ed's, just a quick question. Have we actually managed to mess Salah around again aswell or are we still trying to get that deal done? Is it a case of Roma seeing if they also have a complaint with us before they are willing to negotiate further? Hence us exploring other options.

{Ed001's Note - Roma are investigating our conduct, so things are a bit up in the air until that is completed. No idea how long that will take. For all I know they could have finished already. It will only be when further action of some kind happens. Either a resumption of talks, us being warned off or a complaint to UEFA.}

1.) 08 Jun 2017 08:42:41
Personally I think it's dead in the water. Again, badly conducted from start to finish and we will miss out on a very talented player because of our inability to conduct our affairs in a proper manner.

2.) 08 Jun 2017 08:45:12
This is all getting a bit much this morning Ed001! Now Roma are also investigating Liverpool's approach with Salah. I think what the club needs is to miss out on some of their top targets this summer due to their actions, hopefully that will start to put manners on them and show they can't just get things their own way. I work in business in financial services and I place a lot of value personally in the amount of trust I have with people I deal with. The club I love unfortunately doesn't share this value.

{Ed001's Note - Ed002 did allude to Roma looking into things yesterday I believe.}

3.) 08 Jun 2017 09:02:05
So now roma are investigating liverpools approach to salah. just when does the buck stop at the feet of the bloke in charge of transfers.

{Ed001's Note - when he has been given a chance to fix the issues.}

4.) 08 Jun 2017 09:05:53
I think we've moved on. If, as reported, we're talking to Sporting and Gelson Martins then I'd say we've definitely moved on. I don't think we'd be after both.

People saying it's a negotiating tactic to force Roma into agreeing an offer, I think, have to be wrong. Surely we wouldn't be stupid enough to mess Salah, his representatives, Roma, Gelson and Gelson's representatives about? Would we? Actually, I don't know.

5.) 08 Jun 2017 09:09:42
If he had done his job properly in the first place there wouldn't be an issue never mind fix it.

{Ed001's Note - and how do you know that? How long has he even been in the role?}

6.) 08 Jun 2017 09:14:11
Why on earth would Roma now be investigating us? They're trying to sell Salah, but are now "investigating" us in regards to approaches made.

We need to cut ties with them and tell them the deal is off. We're becoming a joke now and even Roma are having a go.

7.) 08 Jun 2017 09:53:10
yeah doesn't make sense, what difference does it make for Roma if we tapped him up or not?

8.) 08 Jun 2017 09:53:57
How long does he need to get the club a transfer ban.

9.) 08 Jun 2017 09:57:25
Should have been sacked yesterday with the apology the club sayin steps have been taken to avoid any further problems. his first 2 major deals and two almighty stikes maybe one more and we are out of havin to worry about transfers for a few windows.

10.) 08 Jun 2017 11:08:45
A few of the supposed 'ITKs' still think VVD will sign for us, Graeme Kelly for example was tweeting last night and this morning that VVD is likely to hand in a transfer request and we'll still end up with him. Not sure how reliable any of this information is considering what has happened.

11.) 08 Jun 2017 11:32:45
Graeme is extremely reliable, he called this transfer months ago. VVD still wants to join only us, if he hands in a transfer request and we make another huge offer. He'll join, Southampton need the money.

12.) 08 Jun 2017 11:33:01
So ed we could still very well get Salah onces all this settles and we offer enough money? I take it everything is on hold at the minute?

{Ed001's Note - we could get both still if we throw enough money at it.}

13.) 08 Jun 2017 11:53:00
I'm of the opinion that we have royally f'ed up and we do now just need to throw money at it to make it go away.

If that means less money for another player (maybe missing out on Keita) so be it but we look like total pr1cks at the moment.

What players are going to want to talk to us when they see that we are so flagrantly abusing the rules and then leaving the players high and dry to fend for themselves.

We have convinved Van Dijk to join us and by all accounts he really wanted the move and we have messed him around. We just need to swallow our pride, approach Southampton properly and pay the money.

If we just leave VVD to fend for himself now it will send an awful message to other prospective signings.

I would rather spend an additional £10-20mill now to smooth all of this over than risk players not wanting to deal with us in the future. If that means missing out on another signing this window then so be it.

We only have ourselves to blame. We need to repair the reputation of the football club and that has to start now.

14.) 08 Jun 2017 12:38:53
I think this must be some sort of record? Screwing up the transfer window before it has even officially opened.

15.) 08 Jun 2017 13:23:12
You are right Ed001. We could still get Salah and VVd over the line now if we splash the cash on them now, and avoid problems in the transfer market in future. The problem is if FSg see it that way. Will they be willing to pay an extra 10 million and protect the club's reputation now or be stingy to get value for money and face future difficulties in signing players in the future.

16.) 08 Jun 2017 14:50:58
Any change of Sakho being thrown in to bring down the cash price/ sweeten the deal?

{Ed001's Note - why do people keep saying that? They have no interest in him, so it is unlikely to help.}



17 May 2016 09:59:02
So ed's have the Karius and Zielinski deals actually been done to your knowledge? Or are we still getting ahead of ourselves a little? Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - getting ahead. Grujic and Matip are the only deals that have been completed for next season.}

1.) 17 May 2016 10:41:29
Haven't actually seen a concrete answer from the Eds yet as I think they weren't 100% sure yesterday, but can the Eds confirm that we've put in a bid for Karius? (or are we getting ahead of ourselves again haha)
Thanks for all the good work on this site!

P. S. I'm feeling even more jittery about the match tomorrow than my graduating final exams next week hahaha


{Ed001's Note - a bid? Not as such. We have spoken to Mainz though. Bids are not thrown about the way people talk about, many deals are done without any such thing as a formal bid being presented.}

2.) 17 May 2016 10:58:32
Hi ED001. Haven't heard your thoughts on Karius. What do you think of him?

{Ed001's Note - not seen a lot of him. I have heard a lot of good things about him, but not from anyone I would trust to judge a keeper. So I have no thoughts, just going to wait and see how he gets on.}




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31 Aug 2017 17:28:33
Just reading the site and came across what Ed001 said about him not thinking our business is finished today in regards to incoming players. Dya know what, even if we are, we have had a better transfer window than we have had in a long time, players are back to choosing us over other top clubs, we are playing stunning attacking football with what we have and Klopp seems to have learnt a lesson tactically. Given how far we had fallen, regardless of what else happens today I'm seeing this as a massive step in the right direction.



27 Aug 2017 21:54:09
After watching Emre Can since he came back last season, I wonder how many of the fans on here and in the stands are willing to admit that they were a bit early giving him abuse. Given the player he is turning into. I also wonder if we had supported him during his tough time and showed some understanding if he would be pondering his options, I for one don't think he would have had any issues signing if he didn't get any abuse from some fans.

1.) 27 Aug 2017 22:22:29
The club must do all they can to get him to resign I think he is and could be a very important player for the club.

2.) 27 Aug 2017 22:40:04
Resign or re-sign?

3.) 27 Aug 2017 23:52:54
A bit early giving him abuse?
There should be absolutely no abuse aimed at your own players.
We are supposed to be "supporters" no?
Supporters are supposed to support, not abuse - it's disgusting behaviour.
If they make a mistake, you're entitled to show your frustration of course but you should never abuse one of our own players.



18 Apr 2017 23:09:57
Hey ed's I understand if this can't be posted but I'm intrigued to know your opinions and others on the site on the standards of refs at the top end of the game.

{Ed002's Note - The standard of refereeing has been acknowledged to be poor over recent years. I don't watch much football but it is often mentioned. Personally I don't think video refereeing is the answer, but an additional official linked by radio high up in the stands might well be.}

1.) 19 Apr 2017 08:00:55
Anyone who thinks referees in EPL are poor should go and watch some league 1 and 2 games. Ranges from the very rare very good through to far too many that are woeful. Mistakes that only show up from the benefit of a dozen slow mo replays are excusable but being totally inconsistent about free kicks, advantage, bookings etc ruins games. I've seen far too many games where refs and ARs have wound up the teams and fans and created the problems they then berate the players over. outside EPL right down to grass roots the better refs tend to be the younger ones.

2.) 19 Apr 2017 08:05:55
What standards are we comparing them to?
What criteria are we using?

Are we talking about accuracy of decisions or are we talking about "handling of the game"?
I think if you look at the number of decisions in a game the percentage of correct decisions is high. I think the refs are fitter these days and able to keep up with the game more. I think they are under more scrutiny these days than 20 years ago and they have more directives to follow. 20 years ago a lot was down to interpretation of the ref. Now it's all standardised by the powers that be.

If SkyTV had to show every refereeing decision in the same detail, people would be a lot more appreciative of the demands. But Sky only show the contentious decisions in minute detail.

I'm not a ref. My old man (RIP) was a ref in the good old days. I don't think he'd do it these days.
Standard of refs vs standard of players or managers or pundits? I'd take the refs over all of them.
Can they improve? Of course, but they need support to do it.

3.) 19 Apr 2017 08:20:53
Good points Ron and having slated them one thing I'd say doesn't help is most fans are contributing to the problem. Refs who don't communicate get slated and those who do get skated. The number of shouts for handball you hear every match where the definition of handball clearly doesn't apply is comical. I honestly think the 4th official also calling stuff like ARs and use of replays would help even if it just showed fans and players how crap the game would become if refs were allowed to take the time Sky pundits get to dissect every piece of play before they gave a decision.

4.) 19 Apr 2017 08:47:11
Thanks Ron. It was a good read, gave me another perspective to look at.

5.) 19 Apr 2017 09:10:06
Ron, the standard isn't high. 80%, considering how many decisions are ridiculously easy, is low. Refs, considering the importance of their job, their professionalism etc should be getting so many decision right that major incorrect decisions should be a big talking point, not a 5 minute reel per game.

6.) 19 Apr 2017 09:34:04
If you think it's easy, the simple answer is to try doing it.
How many professionals do you know who have dozens of slow mo high def TV cameras pointing at them for 90 minutes of their week with millions of people watching?

80%? Don't know where you get that number from.

7.) 19 Apr 2017 10:42:11
I'm against video refereeing, I think tend to believe that the game in the stadium should reflect the game played in the parks. Besides, who doesn't enjoy talking about contentious decisions?

8.) 19 Apr 2017 10:44:43
standards aside, the interpretations that we see in the game itself are not even consistent. a push in this game is a penalty, while another is not.

a rough lunging tackle is a yellow in a normal game, and not in derbies? just because its a derby, it doesn't mean its a game with a different rule. i understand that standards could be different, could change from year to year, following reviews and changes should be made when it is needed, for the rules to remain relevant and of course, to protect the players.

but in the game itself there must be a way for all these decisions to be at the very least, highly consistent. without videos and what not, you'd expect them to miss some and i get it. again, id like to repeat, its inconsistencies of the decision made from similar incidents in different games that bothers me. i know its difficult, but it doesn't mean we can't point that out.

9.) 19 Apr 2017 13:51:12
I'm really pleased video reffing is coming, it will allow us to focus on what's important, the game, rather than talking about refs all the time.

10.) 19 Apr 2017 14:32:08
For me it's more the case of they don't seem to be in a position where they have to explain a decision or be actually held accountable for a poor performance. They have few repercussions if they make mistakes so there seems to be no incentive to improve.

11.) 19 Apr 2017 14:36:02
Ron - first of all it's an example number and you well know it, so stop being pedantic for no reason.

Secondly, no one said it was easy. Nor did I say I could do it. But I also can't build a car, doesn't mean I don't have a right to say something about my car breaking down 20 minutes after driving off the forecourt! If the job is too hard for them then they need to stop doing it, if they want to tell us they can do it then cut the excuses and do it.

Refs at the professional level are highly paid professionals, they need to be good enough to earn that and the fact that there are cameras pointing at them doesn't dissolve them of blame. They get too many major decisions wrong per game and it's having a direct influence on both the outcomes of games and the safety of players. And if they need help to do it properly, sodding well get together and campaign from the stance of experts for help! If they spent half the energy they spend moaning about a lack of respect for refs on improving their performances, the game would be in a much better state on field (although I do apprecaite the need to refs respect at a lower/ grassroots level)

12.) 19 Apr 2017 17:55:03
At least in the PL, the refs are awful. Worse, they make mistakes that are detrimental to both teams BUT that is seen as being good officiating. Awful, awful, awful.

13.) 19 Apr 2017 19:54:39
They are not highly paid in the industry they work in.
They do not get so many decisions wrong.
You are being deceived by the likes of SkyTV who only show contentious moments in contentious decisions.
Refs make thousands of decisions in a game, you just aren't aware of them.

14.) 19 Apr 2017 20:30:24
Ron did you happen to watch real Madrid v Bayern Munich last night a team went out of the quarter final of the champions league due entirely to the ref and his assistants with an outrageous sending off
and two offside goals that were not even hard to spot. this has cost Bayern millions of Euros and a possible place in the final.

In refs defence i do think since the assistant refs were given more powers they are so busy trying to spot things going on in the game than doing their job looking for off sides leaving the ref to take the blame because of a radio in his ear and they never get brought up on bad decisions like last night.

15.) 19 Apr 2017 20:55:35
If you say so Ron. But I am aware of them. And when in the name of some fictional game management they allow dangerous tackles to go unpunished right in front of them, when linesmen fail to keep up with the game and are left guessing about important offside decisions, when they have unobstructed views of handballs so ignore the rulebook and start making subjective decisions about intentions - they are not doing a good job, no matter how many minor decisions they make during a game.

16.) 19 Apr 2017 21:25:05
they should run a trial were there is a ref in each half, so keeping up with play would not be a problem, and each ref would be under less pressure .

17.) 19 Apr 2017 22:55:56
I didn't watch Madrid V Bayern so I take your word on that.
Refs are simply there to implement the laws of the game.
Players don't have to put dangerous tackles in or dive when there's no contact.
Players are very highly paid professionals who are coached by very highly paid managers to try and deliberately gain an advantage by deceiving the referee.
You blame the ref for getting it wrong, how about the players and managers take some responsibility for playing by the rules? Obviously offsides are different but these calls are made by referee assistants.

{Ed007's Note - Did you see the penalty against Celtic at the weekend, Ron? One of THE worst decisions I've ever seen at any level of football....

18.) 20 Apr 2017 00:04:34
Ron makes some very good points. Loss aversion is a basic fact of human psychology, i.e. we react far more negatively to bad outcomes than we do positively to good outcomes. It's inevitable that refs get slated for poor decisions and we overlook the many good decisions they make.

19.) 20 Apr 2017 06:41:45
All 2 refs on the pitch will do is create a higher chance of inconsistency. And when i mentioned that lack of consistency before I meant in the same game from the same ref. Doesn't help that the view is if they're a poor ref then drop them down a level cos the leagues below the EPL don't need good refs. The standards need to be set across the leagues.

20.) 20 Apr 2017 10:46:52
Wow, that is a woeful ref in that Celtic game no contact at all what a joke.



30 Dec 2016 15:46:17
Just wondering if anyone can tell me if James Milner has actually changed his opinion on playing in the left back role? Or is he still unsettled about it? Given the amount of grief he got from fans and a few of us on here, he has become a important member of the squad. I'm happy to be proved wrong.

1.) 30 Dec 2016 22:36:58
He is a very well payed player who shouldn't complain if he's in midfield up front left back or even in goal he is wearing that famous red shirt that I'm sure he is proud to be wearing, just look at how well he has performed since settling into left back that guy deserves some credit just for a bit of a moral boost and maybe might improve in that position even more, I mean who else is out there at the moment that can do the job to the level he has this season?

The guy can play anywhere because he can read the game and these days that's a rare commodity in the modern game it's the difference between good players and great all round players.



22 Dec 2016 20:35:46
Short Estonian documentary on Ragnar Klavan. It's in Estonian but has English subtitles. I found it really interesting, he seems genuinely happy to be at Liverpool and has a great work ethic. Although he seems to admit that Klopp got in his ear a little, hope it doesn't cause any more issues for us.

1.) 23 Dec 2016 11:53:09
Nice one, thanks for posting. Couldn't see any problems there at all. Cheers.




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13 Aug 2017 20:38:18
I don't think Coutinho signed the new deal for his own benefit. Liverpool obviously knew he wanted to go and protected his value, look at what's happening with Can right now. Juventus won't pay what we want as he is near the end of his deal. I just hope it is done quick so we can get a replacement in, it's done like he didn't give his all when he wore the shirt.



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24 Mar 2017 04:56:59
I would guess that the reason we get tarred with the tapping up brush is because unfortunately we are well renowned for tapping up players. I recall off the top of my head Fulham making us grovel so they didn't make an official complaint over Clint Dempsey and there have been numerous examples since. Our name is mud now due to us lowballing teams and our general acting like we are better than everyone else when to be honest we don't sit at the big boy table of European clubs anymore. Not when it comes to big decision making anyway.



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20 Mar 2017 22:29:39
Thanks for the reply Ed002. Was I right in remembering he was close to leaving at one point? Did we speak to him? Or is it just wishful thinking on my part?

{Ed002's Note - Everton were, not Liverpool. Real Madrid and PSG were the others.}



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20 Mar 2017 22:17:46
I think we should have gone all out and pushed for the bloke at Sevilla. Monchi I think? I think he was going to leave at one point for a new challenge if I remember rightly and his work speaks for itself.

{Ed002's Note - Monchi would be a great choice but I would expect Klopp to walk if he came. Monchi understands the game, youngster, the transfer process and how to ease players through at the right time - he is in that way the absolute opposite of Klopp.}



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22 Dec 2016 19:42:58
Didn't he say as soon as he signed we didn't need to worry about him going to the AFCON because he wanted to establish himself and settle at Liverpool first otherwise the move would be pointless. I for one feel it's commendable that the player wants to put us first.




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29 Jan 2018 23:57:51
I don't feel Salah is our best player at all. The fact that he is doing so well is down to the fact that our attack as a whole creates so much. The amount of shots he puts straight at the keeper is astounding and his first touch can leave a lot to be desired at times. The fact that they are all fast and interchangeable causes all the issues, just like when we had Coutinho. Our best football was played when we attack en mass and unselfishly. (remember Firmino's first goal for us? ) No player was bigger than the club, never has been and never will be. We are a force when we are all together, maybe us as fans should take that into consideration and get on the same page.



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29 Aug 2017 08:28:43
He was more about passing, movement and workrate from the games I have seen him in. His dribbling ability is an extra. he seems very similar to Firmino infact, has a good eye for a pass and looks to be very much a team player. I'm rather excited by the thought of this signing getting over the line.



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22 Aug 2017 17:18:01
Any Liverpool fan that sells their tickets to another Liverpool fan for any more than face value is a tout and shouldn't be allowed to buy tickets anymore. The fact they obviously can only be bothered to go to games they deem big enough to keep their numbers up is bad enough. But to rinse other fans is appalling.

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31 Jul 2017 18:28:00
Inflated market means inflated prices. 70m for VVD and Keita isn't enough it seems. We all seem to forget that a paying club will only pay what they feel is enough after taking everything into consideration. This is why we need to forget about money, let's just support the players we have now and the players we bring in regardless of the price.



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04 Jun 2017 11:24:41
Yeah I remember the Ronaldo one aswell. Are there anymore notable players we had and messed up you willing to list?